Hungry even at 125 I.U., and some other questions
 

Once again posting on behalf of someone else! I'm so happy with my own success that I try to encourage it in others. http://hcgdietinfo.com/hcgdietforums...lies/smile.png

She's in her sixties. She started loading on Jul 10, so it's the morning of VLCD 8 for her. She's lost less than 7 pounds so far and that includes her loading weight. She's discouraged a bit with that, but she's willing to hang in there. She's sticking to protocol and her personality really doesn't allow for me suggesting that she drop the Melba or the fruit.

The problem - the BIG problem - is that she constantly complains she's hungry.

She's taking Pregnyl subcu, mixed properly. She started on 175 I.U. and when she reported the hunger, I immediately recommended she drop down to 150 I.U. She tried that for three days and said it was better, but she was still hungry. She dropped down to 125 I.U. after that and said she didn't feel much difference. I suggested she try a skip day to see if it's better. That was yesterday. She said yes, she wasn't hungry for much of the day, but she still did feel hungry towards the end.

I'm very reluctant to suggest she go below 125 I.U., because that's pretty unusual, especially for someone taking subcu (at least I think it is?), but maybe that's what she needs? If the skip day was better, doesn't that usually indicate her dosage was too high?

She says she knows she's pretty sensitive to hormones. She talked to her doctor who isn't too familiar with the HCG protocol but seems to have the general idea. He suggested that maybe she should switch to hHCG. That sounds... inadvisable to me.

Another question: routine says that skip days - she does want to do a longer round, although she may not go the full 40 days - is once a week. Can that be adjusted safely to more frequently? Can you do a skip day five days after another, for example, or will your body have too little concentration of HCG after that? She's interested in this because if she does best on skip days, she wants to arrange one for the 29th. I's a Jewish fast day and she's hoping to have as little appetite as possible. Of course, she can just wait until then to do a skip day at all.

One more thing on her behalf: she reports insomnia since she started HCG. I'm not thrilled with her sleeping patterns, but at least when she goes to sleep, she gets a solid 7 hours. Since she started protocol, though, she's been waking up at 5 a.m. and taking an hour to fall back asleep. She does NOT want to take any medications/vitamins to help her sleep, since she says she doesn't want to introduce more stuff into her body. Any suggestions outside of Sleepy Time tea?

Thanks so much! You people are wonderful.

she may need to go to 137.5iu.. halfway between 125 and 150.


I would not do a skip day more than once a week. A skip day lowers the level of HCG in the body for 3 days after. If she's got a really narrow dosing window between what's good and what's hungry she may see issues.


Some people have sleep problems on hcg and some people feel they sleep better. I found that I slept well, but did wake up earlier as she is. It was like I had more energy and my body didn't need anymore sleep.

I also sleep well with hcg, bit need less sleep. In general, I only need ca. 6 h of sleep on hcg vs. 8 h without it. Seems to b normal.

If she is not going longer than 40 injections, she doesn't need to do skip days at all. So she can just go without till 29.

Good luck with the dose adjustment. Sometimes it's really difficult to find the rt dose. Make sure she drinks enough. That also helps with hunger issues. Especially hot beverages. And is she sure it's real hunger not cravings. It's a pitty she is not willing to try & drop the melba. It makes a lot of ppl (including myself) continue to crave carbs.

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Beth, we'll try the half-way mark between 125 and 150 next and see if that helps. I really want her to do well!

The sleep question bothers me because I know from my own experience how much poor sleeping patterns affect the ability to lose weight. She never goes to sleep before 12:30 as it is, so it seems important to me that she gets her solid 7 hours every night.

I'll advise her to wait until the 29th to skip another day, then. Thanks.

Pensee, how interesting that you sleep less! Do you wake up in the middle, or is it waking up earlier/going to sleep later? And is your weight loss affected by that?

As I said, personality wise I can't really tell her "skip the Melba," and that same personality trait makes me wonder if she's really "starving" or just, as you say, having cravings. She *says* it's actual hunger. She also has a tendency to eat very late, and I've at least convinced her not to finish eating at 10:30 p.m.!

The first week I used to get up in the middle of the night. Now It's just waking up around 5 a.m. gave up trying to go back to sleep and just start work a bit earlier.
Can't really tell if it is affecting my losses. I wasn't able to lose a single pound since 2010 no matter what U tried until I found hcg. So no wonder my losses are below average, but am happy that I ve found something that works.

Well, 10.30 is still 2 h b4 she goes to sleep.9.30 would b better, but It's not too bad. Have her read 'weight loss apocalypse' if u can. I used to think that the list of allowed foods is not so important, that it doesn't really make sense to not eat other veggies or fruits as long as they ve the same cal. & that it doesn't matter to cheat a little. Only thing that convinced me... maybe it helps her too. It is extremely important for her to learn to differentiate between real hunger, not being satisfied or having cravings.

Good luck

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since she felt better on her skip day she needs to drop below 125. I see it quite a lot actually. Have her go to 110. And 7 pounds in 8 days and she's complaining? that's terrific!

Oh, she's being very good about sticking to protocol wrt what she eats. But you're right she has to learn to differentiate between hunger and not-quite-satisfied.

Thanks!

Well, Grammy, you know how it is - she hears the stories, she has friends who lost lots in their first week...

If 5000 IU was mixed in 2 ml so that .5=125, then 4.5=110?