[pBiRXp8u]

Quelson...you are exactly right. And I think some day you will be able to have a taste of this or that

Jenni

[iDzcs7TU]

Lilengine

You absolutely need to do phase 4 during your first round! After that you can cycle. I never ever recommend not doing p4.

Jenni
(who did a full round last October and has been guiding cyclers for 8 months now)

[Juersdodfs]

Jenni, that does help. Thanks so much, I'm so new at this, and I'm new at blogging entries as well. Hopefully I'll get better, and hopefully it will get easier. It's not that I'm so hungry, it's just that I'm used to grabbing something, at times just out of boredom. I don't think the hcg will help with that. Maybe reading others blogs will.

[ancexiaepidge]

Dubbles...I munch on cucumbers or spinach chips all day long.

If you like cukes take one a d slice it thin. Sprinkle with sea salt and munch away. There is all of about 25 calories in one entire cuke!

Jenni

[harriettvanders]

thanks jenni- i appreciate your help.

[MichaelfromSpace]

I am in P3 of my first round and I am really looking at it as a learning experience. Mentally I know I need to cycle. After 3 weeks on my first round I lost it..binged. Thought I had time left to make up for it, but my drops seemed to lose their effectiveness and they got warm one day as well. I had a few more big cheats, the hunger got insane. Then I just ran out of drops around 26 days...should have had 30-40 days according to the Dr. and i never took more than I was supposed to and it came with the liquid to mix so I didnt add too little...go figure.

Three weeks on three weeks off sounds good for me. Just putting it on my calendar I felt more in control than diving into 30-40 days. Timewise I'll probably finish about the same time I would have anyway ( I have 4-5 more rounds to go). I just think this way will help me to feel like I can handle each step better and be more successful.
So thankful for the help here!!

[vasyasvc]

in this context do we take P4 to be the place where you introduce the poison ( ok a little harsh) back in to your system? if so then i guess i am cycling cauze i doubt i will ever do that

quelson---I am with you on that...never go back to the old way of eating.

hi vegglover
i am curious about this as well. i think you are saying that you did not do p4 at all even in the first round. is this correct? also did you use the same type of hcg/hhcg? if so what type(s) and method(s) did you use. i am on day 17 ish of p3 but also have to deal with the TOM issue coming in twelve days so i can't decide which way to go. i've stayed between 1 and 1.5 pounds of LIW except for two days around TOM right after going off of p2. i have eaten an occassional apple or a few freeze dried strawberries but that's about as far as i've strayed from strictly proteins, fats and veggies. this was my first round. i did subq injections thru my dr. but want to order on my own next time- not even sure i want to stick w/injections- nervous about mixing. ok my last question for you is in regards to b-12. do you use it at all? that was a nice benefit from my dr. - i got a weekly injection and i think it helped my energy and mood. hope i'm not asking too many questions. something tells me you have probably answered most of these many times. so thank you in advance and sorry to be so pesky.
oh and one more ? did you load again or go straight into p2 from p3?

I have never done a P4 yet. I will not do that phase until I am at my goal weight. This is COMPLETELY against protocol, and I have stated here and at the old forum that I was encouraged to do a full round with P4 the first round. I did not. I have no intention of introducing all of the bad foods when I get to P4 someday. I do not intend to introduce a large amount of grains into my system again, period. I had figured out before I did this diet that I cannot handle them. I was a vegetarian for almost 3 years. Although I respect that type of eating immensely, it did nothing but make me miserable. The longer I stayed on it, the worse I felt. I will be a P3-type eater after I am finished with this diet. I had been eating that way shortly before I began hhcg, and I was feeling so much better! Adding this diet to my life has allowed me to eat the protein/veggie route while losing a lot of weight and inches. It is a miracle diet for me.

lilengine--I used Natural Health Labs in the 1st,2nd, and 4th rounds. GreenWeb in the 2nd. I think they both work well, but the NHL seems to help my hunger a little better, and my losses have been much better the last 2 rounds. The first 2 rounds, I loaded 2 days (that's the hhcg protocol). Last 2 rounds, I ate a large P3 dinner the night before I started the drops again. I had been off hhcg for such a short time, I just went for it and did not do the traditional load. I had no hunger issues. Only hungry near mealtimes, and the drops help me thru that. I ate a ton of food and stabilized easily in P3, by being strict with the foods allowed there. P3 is the ONE time I am strict. lol

I am no expert on cycling. I do not do it exactly like many people on the forum do. I am doing what I feel works for me. It will not work for everyone. I am not encouraging anyone to do it. I was asked questions, so I am answering them. I am not here to be an advocate for cycling. I have heard that a few here do not agree with my path, and that is ok! It is a personal choice for anyone to do it or not do it. None of us should do something, just because another person is doing it.

I fully encourage anyone who is curious about cycling to consult Lady Smart or any of the other veterans who have been doing it for longer than me with their questions. I am very glad to help by giving my own personal experience, but that is all I have to offer. My personal experience. :]

[Vipvlad]

thanks so much vegglover
i appreciate all of the answers and your honesty. i've not used the hhcg drops and am debating on that also. oh so many decisions. love all the info. and opinions on this forum. again thanks and have a great day!

[bomondus]

OK i will re read the section on the reintroduction of sugar and startch but can anyone tell me why we have to eat it? I mean if i never eat it again will my hair fall out?

[Marat]

OK i will re read the section on the reintroduction of sugar and startch but can anyone tell me why we have to eat it? I mean if i never eat it again will my hair fall out?

quelsen---Why, oh why, would we HAVE to eat it? Ya got me. I can't think of one good reason. If I don't want it. If I don't tolerate it well, and that is not going to change because of my hypoglycemia. Why should I put myself thru reintroducing anything that I know doesn't like me? I will do P4, but it will be ALMOST a copy of P3. If there is a birthday, I will taste the cake. I won't have a slice or two. If I just have to have pizza, I will make the P3 pizza until the day comes that I need a slice of the other kind. One slice. Not half a pizza (or more-lol). P4 will be very much like P3 for me, with those rare treats that I will undoubtedly need to eat more protein for the next day. I fully expect to have to do corrective measures for those treats, and that is just fine with me. A small price to pay for an occasional celebration.

As for the hair question? Let me know if you get an answer on that one. LOL

[Kamendoriks]

OK my intuitive person told me that i needed to eat somethign sugary to stimulate the mext round of losses. we looked around and chose a cheesecake. It was nasty and I felt like vomiting but i got half of it down. THERE I ate some poison. I font do it again if i don't have too

[prearpaccew]

I am in P3 of my first round and I am really looking at it as a learning experience. Mentally I know I need to cycle. After 3 weeks on my first round I lost it..binged. Thought I had time left to make up for it, but my drops seemed to lose their effectiveness and they got warm one day as well. I had a few more big cheats, the hunger got insane. Then I just ran out of drops around 26 days...should have had 30-40 days according to the Dr. and i never took more than I was supposed to and it came with the liquid to mix so I didnt add too little...go figure.

Three weeks on three weeks off sounds good for me. Just putting it on my calendar I felt more in control than diving into 30-40 days. Timewise I'll probably finish about the same time I would have anyway ( I have 4-5 more rounds to go). I just think this way will help me to feel like I can handle each step better and be more successful.
So thankful for the help here!!

FYI From P & I

A second course can be started after an interval of not less than six weeks, though the pause can be more than six weeks. When a third, fourth or even fifth course is necessary, the interval between courses should be made progressively longer. Between a second and third course eight weeks should elapse, between a third and fourth course twelve weeks, between a fourth and fifth course twenty weeks and between a fifth and sixth course six months.

You all have worked too hard to cut this inportant step short :-)

[DoterForeva]

I appreciate the input and absoulutely agree that we are all working so hard, but that said, everyone's body is so different. I've read through so many posts and seen similarities and dissimilarities in myself and others that have led me to the conclusion of trying a slightly different version. I may fall on my face and come back to report that, but from what i have learned about my own body's response to my first round, I think this may be a very viable option for me.

Those longer suggested time periods between are for longer rounds to avoid the possibility of immunity. The 23 injection rounds will avoid that and avoid the longer time period needed between each. Keeping my fingers crossed!!

[fiettariaps]

somewhere on here, I read about the immunity thing...(Dr. Belluscio?)...and that the immunity was not from the HCG, but from the liquid available to dilute it for injections in Dr. S's day. and that the current dilluting formulas offer much less chance of the body forming an immunity.

Sounds like you are listening to your body. Good Luck, and Please stay around and keep us posted. My biggest concern these days is stabilizing afterwards!

[Cerilopasei]

Round 1---23 days of P2, 17 days of P3
Round 2---23 days of P2, 14 days of P3
Round 3---14 days of P2, 7 days of P3
Round 4---currently at Day 8, lost 7.5 pounds so far

Hi Vegglover--can you be more specific? i.e., how much of the 23 days of P2 was loading vs VLCD vs the stretch where you're getting the hcg out of your system? Thank you!

[gkihueonhjh]

Hi Vegglover--can you be more specific? i.e., how much of the 23 days of P2 was loading vs VLCD vs the stretch where you're getting the hcg out of your system? Thank you!

mktng---I think I was answering a specific question there, so did not elaborate. Sorry for the confusion.

R1 = 2 loading days, 23 days of VLCD's, 2 days without drops and doing VLCD's, 15 more days of P3 eating
R2 = 2 loading days, 23 days of VLCD's, 2 days without drops and doing VLCD's, 12 more days of P3 eating
R3 = No load---just did an extra large P3 dinner the last night of P3, then 14 days straight of drops and VLCD's, 2 days without drops and VLCD's, 5 more days of P3 eating
R4 = No load again, large P3 dinner the last night of P3 again, currently on Day 14 and will keep going for a long round this time. I am about 17 pounds from goal, so I want to see how long I can stand to be in P2 and how close I can get to my goal. If I hit my goal, I will do a very strict and traditional P3 and P4. If I need to stop early, I will do a week of P3 like above, and cycle right back to P2 until I hit my goal that next round. I am sure I can do it in at least a total of 2 rounds now. I really hope to do it in this round.

None of this is protocol, of course. And everyone seems to cycle a bit differently. I did what felt right as I went along, and I stabilized easily each time. R1 and R2, both .6 under LDW. R3, 1.1 under LDW. I seem to be losing weight easier this 4th round. I do not know why. I am doing all of the same things.

Does that cover it? If you need more, or if something doesn't make sense, let me know. Happy to help. :]

[Roorseprate]

Dubbles,

Cycling is something thAt some people do after doing a full round of the protocol. It is 't for e eery one. Since you are new you need to stick to the phase 2,phase 3, and phase 4.

Phase 2 is your 500 calorie, phase 3 is when you add new cods, stabilizing your weight (but you do not add any sugars, breads etc.phase 4 is when you add your sugars etc and see how your body adjusts.

Does that help?

Jenni

yES, jENNI, JUST FOUND THIS THREAD AGAIN. iT DOES HELP. Thank you.

[Tamawaipsemek]

Well I screwed up yesterday. But I knew it was going to happen and so I will be extra carefull today and just deal with it. I ate extra protein, cashews and a few peanut m&m's. But it was OU vs Texas and it is really hard to eat good when you are with a bunch of people.

[JaK_MarkoV_Pi]

Lilengine

You absolutely need to do phase 4 during your first round! After that you can cycle. I never ever recommend not doing p4.

Jenni
(who did a full round last October and has been guiding cyclers for 8 months now)

Hi everyone!!!
New to this thread Im from March starters and the March starters all phases and one of the long time vets still there told me about cycling. But like you said this is my first round. I am in p4 just started last Thursday and well I just want to do about 2 weeks of it lil more and jump into p2 again till the end of july when i go floating down the black river. Oh and I am a rogue eater and drinker also. My girls all called me that LOL. I drank vodka and would eat dark chocolate every once in a while and would loose a half a pound. p3 I stablized nicely also. Went up 2 lbs and that is where my body wanted to stay so I didn't fight it. Right now I am at 158 and I go up and down a pound and I watch it closely. I dont really use regular sugar in anything but if it has it in it I guess I would eat it. but it is splenda and lil bread and rice or pasta right now. ate a sweet potato and It didn't affect me. So I have stayed at this weight great.

So I guess P2 would be ok after about two weeks I want to start it up soon so I can drop another 20 lbs...

[Keendwainge]

Hi Vegglover! I'm in R1, on my last day of P2. P2 was easy at first, and then I went to some parties and I cheated. Ugh. The last couple days have been HARD, and I am really looking forward to P3; it will seem like heaven after P2. I really like how I feel, and I plan on exanding on the foods I ate in P2, as a lifestyle choice from here on out. I felt horrible after the cheating days, and I had horrible heartburn those days, which is something I suffered from before starting the HCG diet. I realized that I needed a break, but I have more weight to lose and I had already wondered if I could skip P4 and go back to P2. Thank you for your post, as it shed new light on what I was thinking about. I hope you are still out there and can reply to my post. I would like to see how you are doing now!

For the record: I do NOT believe you are an expert, I reading your post for information and I am NOT treating it as a recommendation! (It's sad that you had to post that disclaimer. This is supposed to be helpful to others and we are all just sharing. )