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Hi Guys! I was wondering if anyone on here has tried juicing on P2 of the HCG diet. When I got on the scale and realised that I had hit the 190's, I panicked, and decided that I needed to to do whatever it takes to get this crazy weight gain under control before it's too late. I stumbled on HCG while researching and bought the drops right away. A few days later, a friend mentioned seeing the documentary Fat, Sick and Nearly Dead. I was intrigued, so I watched it that night. I had been interested in juicing for a while, and researched juicers last year, but the price kept me from pulling the trigger and buying one. I didn't want to make that kind of investment unless I felt committed to juicing regularly. Well, one year later w/ a 30lb gain, an interesting docu-journey and my desire to commit, I bought an Omega VRT HD juicer.

I found myself excited to try two different weight loss programs. I was hopefully about the VLCD, but also wanted the nutrition density that could be gained from juicing veggies. Either way, I wanted to get started right away! I ordered the drops, and started loading. On my VLCD days, I had the hardest time and could not get my hunger under control. I assumed it was the drops and ordered a different brand, but I got the same results, extreme hunger. I had a trip planned, which would probably interfere w/ my diet anyway, so I decided to order the injections and start when I got back, but my injections never came (and today I got a notice from USPS saying: "In response to your request dated 08/16/2011, we regret to inform you that we were unable to locate any delivery information in our records regarding your item number EDxxxxxxxxxxxx.) so who knows where it is? Last check, it was in customs. Either way, I couldn't wait and went to and HCG clinic near by.

Here I am on day 5. My first VLCD was a bit rough near the end of the day and I noticed it was harder after I had some fruit, so I decided I'm going to juice green veggies, and incorporate veggie juice into my HCG diet. I noticed, prior to my injections, on the days that I drank green juice, I felt really good and had a lot of energy. So yesterday, I had almost NO energy, on P2D1, but managed to drag myself to the store to buy kale, bok choy, parsley, romaine, green peppers and cucumbers and juiced the mess out of them. By the end of the day I had a lot more energy and woke up today w/ a 3.8 lb. loss.

So here's my plan: I'm going to eat 2-3 small portions of protein (depending on my workout and how I feel) and the rest of my diet will consist of green juice. I will only allow fruit in my diet if I work out that day and it must be eaten right after my workout, but I'll only have it if I'm really craving it, otherwise, just green veggies. The plan through the clinic uses an 800 calorie diet. So, even w/ juicing, I should still be under the 800 calorie allotment. Something about getting such a dense amount of nutrients in juicing really appeals to me. Adding fruit makes me nervous because of the sugar, but all of that green stuff just feels healthy!

[KuRoregioNka]

So, I just wanted to say that although I haven't done any juicing, ever, I wanted to just remind you of several pieces to the Protocol. Obviously you're going "rogue" as they say and trying something completely different from what Dr. Simeons advocated. Since the Protocol works best when does as directed, I hope you're aware of all the pieces to it. #1 Don't mix veggies. Since you're juicing multiple veggies, regardless of how good they are for you, that's going against what he worked out. #2 I'm not sure how vigorous your workouts are but I was doing the Insanity workouts as well as lifting weights prior to starting hCG. When I started, I had to quit the strenous workouts within three days of being on VLCD because there's just not enough protein in the diet to keep your tough workouts going. Some people take protein shakes without sugar but, that again, goes against the Protocol. #3 I realize you're going to a clinic but 800 calories is THREE HUNDRED calories more than the 500 Dr. Simeons used. I read an article written by a doctor who runs an HCG clinic in Arizona that going over the allotted 500 by 50 calories every now and again is not an issue. But going over by 300 is not a good thing. It's still lower than most of us eat on a regular basis off hCG but not the amount that Dr. S worked with. Remember he had years and years of positive results to perfect this diet.

Now, having said all that, I am NOT an expert. I just wanted to respond to your post with what I DO know. I cheated daily on my third round (bleh...) and ended up wasting money, time and only losing 2 pounds. I decided that I would do Round 4 perfectly - no cheating, no additions. Am on VLCD 5 and have lost 7.5 pounds. VERY happy!! I just want you to feel happy, too!

Best of luck, JanuariStar!!

[LarryRda]

the two wont be compatible. you will reduce the scale number, you may not pay a penalty in immediate health, but i suspect you will.

[inve.tment]

Now, having said all that, I am NOT an expert. I just wanted to respond to your post with what I DO know. I cheated daily on my third round (bleh...) and ended up wasting money, time and only losing 2 pounds. I decided that I would do Round 4 perfectly - no cheating, no additions. Am on VLCD 5 and have lost 7.5 pounds. VERY happy!! I just want you to feel happy, too!

Best of luck, JanuariStar!!

I appreciate your input. Yes, I'm going rogue and yes, I have read the book, and am re-reading it as I do this. So, I'm well aware of how off-protocol this is. I also realize how off protocol my clinic is, which is why I was/am skeptical of them in the first place. Well, that and the fact that, the only service that they offer, is the HCG diet. They did admit that their average losses aren't as dramatic as a pound a day, but closer to .5 a pound a day.

The reason I ask is because, like I said, I stumbled on HCG and Fat, Sick and Nearly Dead within a few days of each other and felt pretty psyched about both, but couldn't decide. I already tested juicing and all of those nutrients make me feel amazingly well, so I knew that would work, but that's w/ having protein. I wasn't so sure how I would feel, physically, while straight juicing. Unfortunately, I haven't been able to find anyone that has tried this. So, I may have to find out on my own and post my findings.

the two wont be compatible. you will reduce the scale number, you may not pay a penalty in immediate health, but i suspect you will.

I appreciate your suspicions, but what I'm looking for is someone who has tried it and not someone who has an opinion about it. Another opinion about my diet, I do not need. Don't we get enough of that already?Seriously?

[pKgGpUlF]

I appreciate your suspicions, but what I'm looking for is someone who has tried it and not someone who has an opinion about it. Another opinion about my diet, I do not need. Don't we get enough of that already?Seriously?

forgive my ignorance. i must have misread. i assumed you were looking for opinions. my bad

[Vitoethiche]

forgive my ignorance. i must have misread. i assumed you were looking for opinions. my bad

Apology accepted! Now... back to my experiment!

[NofFoomiTot]

They did admit that their average losses aren't as dramatic as a pound a day, but closer to .5 a pound a day.

Men average a pound a day. Women average .5 to .75 on this diet as it is written.

Haven't done the juicing, so I have no idea what you may expect to experience.

[KevinDonae]

I watched that documentary and thought it was great. When Dh & I watched it we were already doing hcg (him R1, me R2). I think juicing is a great idea but we thought that possibly just for breakfast. We haven't tried it but plan to try once we get into P4. We often go rogue too but thought that the 500 cal and hcg are affecting our bodies enough right now. I think the juicing fits more into a lifelong plan and the hcg is very short term. Hope that helps.

[Hsmrcahr]

I watched that documentary and thought it was great. When Dh & I watched it we were already doing hcg (him R1, me R2). I think juicing is a great idea but we thought that possibly just for breakfast. We haven't tried it but plan to try once we get into P4. We often go rogue too but thought that the 500 cal and hcg are affecting our bodies enough right now. I think the juicing fits more into a lifelong plan and the hcg is very short term. Hope that helps.

Hmmm... that's true. I'd say you were already established in the diet, so changing anything wouldn't make much sense, unless you felt like it needed tweaking. Well, I'll let you know how it goes. I figured that if those guys were losing a pound a day on a juice fast, and folks on HCG were losing a pound a day, then if I combine the two, I would likely lose a pound a day as well, while flooding my body w/ micro-nutrients. I suppose I'll be the guinea pig for this experiment.

[pXss8cyx]

I would do the hcg diet and then explore juicing. Excess nutrients from juicing could tax your liver and/or be stored in your fat cells. The whole thing seems counterproductive to me.

http://www.thinkandgoraw.com/juicingeffort.htm

[6Rexw51X]

Hmmm... that's true. I'd say you were already established in the diet, so changing anything wouldn't make much sense, unless you felt like it needed tweaking. Well, I'll let you know how it goes. I figured that if those guys were losing a pound a day on a juice fast, and folks on HCG were losing a pound a day, then if I combine the two, I would likely lose a pound a day as well, while flooding my body w/ micro-nutrients. I suppose I'll be the guinea pig for this experiment.

How long is that juice fast? I'm wondering how long that daily loss can be sustained.

On the HCG, the average daily .5 to .75 lb for women is for the entire phase including immediate initial losses and the slow-down of the 2nd & 3rd weeks. It also depends on how much a person has to lose. Someone will only 10 pounds to lose with not lose it as fast.

Is the juice fast recommended for a specific number of days?

[RichardFG435]

How long is that juice fast? I'm wondering how long that daily loss can be sustained.

On the HCG, the average daily .5 to .75 lb for women is for the entire phase including immediate initial losses and the slow-down of the 2nd & 3rd weeks. It also depends on how much a person has to lose. Someone will only 10 pounds to lose with not lose it as fast.

Is the juice fast recommended for a specific number of days?

Oh, I should clarify. I'm not doing a fast. I'm eating a small amount of protein and juicing for the rest of my intake keeping it as close to 500 as I can. An 8 oz. glass of the green stuff is about 68 calories. Fruit juices would be more, so I'm going to keep those to a minimum. My primary green juice doesn't include any fruits at all and nothing sweet, like carrots. Fresh carrot juice is amazingly good, but I can feel the sugar spike!

[Arrecteve]

I would do the hcg diet and then explore juicing. Excess nutrients from juicing could tax your liver and/or be stored in your fat cells. The whole thing seems counterproductive to me.

http://www.thinkandgoraw.com/juicingeffort.htm

ahem

I appreciate your suspicions, but what I'm looking for is someone who has tried it and not someone who has an opinion about it. Another opinion about my diet, I do not need. Don't we get enough of that already?Seriously?

[elektikakass]

ahem

Thanks quelsen. You're a gem!

[diutuartina]

Oh, I should clarify. I'm not doing a fast. I'm eating a small amount of protein and juicing for the rest of my intake keeping it as close to 500 as I can. An 8 oz. glass of the green stuff is about 68 calories. Fruit juices would be more, so I'm going to keep those to a minimum. My primary green juice doesn't include any fruits at all and nothing sweet, like carrots. Fresh carrot juice is amazingly good, but I can feel the sugar spike!

sounds like an interesting idea, to me- if you're juicing primarily veggies. i think fruits and carrots would be a problem, though, due to the sugar. i've given up fruit juice permanently- too much fructose, and you don't get the fiber to offset the blood sugar spike.

in terms of nutrients, the problem there is that there are so few nutrients in veggies anymore due to de-mineralization of the soil, pesticides, over-farming, etc. Organic ones would probably be better, if you can afford them. but if the juice increases your energy, go for it! i don't think you'll find anyone who has tried it- i've been on here for over 2 years and haven't seen anyone do it.

i'd eat your full protein servings, though. the protein on this diet just barely covers the minimum amount you need- and if you're not eating enough protein your body will break down muscle to supply that.

[xkQCaS4w]

I would do the hcg diet and then explore juicing. Excess nutrients from juicing could tax your liver and/or be stored in your fat cells. The whole thing seems counterproductive to me.

Now that I've had some sleep, I just re-read that and realised how much sense it did not make. Too many nutrients will tax my liver?!! Heaven forbid that I should flood my liver w/ something healthy for a change! LMAO!!! Uhm... I think the "taxing of my liver" is what I was doing when I gained all of this excess weight, eating processed foods.

nu·tri·ent :
A substance that provides nourishment essential for growth and the maintenance of life.

sounds like an interesting idea, to me- if you're juicing primarily veggies. i think fruits and carrots would be a problem, though, due to the sugar. i've given up fruit juice permanently- too much fructose, and you don't get the fiber to offset the blood sugar spike.

in terms of nutrients, the problem there is that there are so few nutrients in veggies anymore due to de-mineralization of the soil, pesticides, over-farming, etc. Organic ones would probably be better, if you can afford them. but if the juice increases your energy, go for it! i don't think you'll find anyone who has tried it- i've been on here for over 2 years and haven't seen anyone do it.

i'd eat your full protein servings, though. the protein on this diet just barely covers the minimum amount you need- and if you're not eating enough protein your body will break down muscle to supply that.

mgsondance, I feel the same way about protein. I'm in school and need my brain to stay fully charged. When I'm on deadline, I can't have my brain spacing out because it's trying to adjust to the lack of protein. The caloric restriction is enough and I don't want my GPA to suffer because, "I dieted that semester." I don't think anyone reading my transcript will care. LOL...

P.S.: Down 1.4 lbs and I usually weigh less around noon, not in the morning. (Correction: Down 1.6 lbs! Even better! )

[jerzeygymwolf]

Very interesting! I am starting a new round on Sept 9, and I have been planning to do some juicing
myself!! We grow organic veggies in our garden and have been juicing all summer with lettuce, spinach,
tomatoes, cucumbers, chile peppers, celery, herbs and zucchini. Delicious and so packed with vitamins
and minerals that are excellent for our livers! I feel so much better and have had tons of energy. When on P2, I plan to stick with protocol veggies. I have also seen where people combine the protocol veggies and fruits, like cucumber and apple together, orange and spinach, tomato and orange, cucumber and
grapefruit, spinach or other greens with apple or grapefruit, etc. Radishes are great in there, too. I think as long as you keep track of calories and stay as close to 500, what is the problem? Raw veggies juice is liquid gold for our bodies!!! There are versions of this diet that go closer to 700-800 cals/day, like the
OWL program, btw....and they still have steady weight loss, just slower than when at 500. If someone
wants to do closer to 800, let them. I personally don't believe that every person in the world can only
benefit from strictly following the protocol of a 50-60 year old diet. If Dr. Simeons were alive today, I bet he would be changing and/or adding things to fit modern science, new knowledge, improvements, etc.
Just my opinion! :0)

[Twelearly]

Very interesting! I am starting a new round on Sept 9, and I have been planning to do some juicing
myself!! We grow organic veggies in our garden and have been juicing all summer with lettuce, spinach,
tomatoes, cucumbers, chile peppers, celery, herbs and zucchini. Delicious and so packed with vitamins
and minerals that are excellent for our livers! I feel so much better and have had tons of energy. When on P2, I plan to stick with protocol veggies. I have also seen where people combine the protocol veggies and fruits, like cucumber and apple together, orange and spinach, tomato and orange, cucumber and
grapefruit, spinach or other greens with apple or grapefruit, etc. Radishes are great in there, too. I think as long as you keep track of calories and stay as close to 500, what is the problem? Raw veggies juice is liquid gold for our bodies!!! There are versions of this diet that go closer to 700-800 cals/day, like the
OWL program, btw....and they still have steady weight loss, just slower than when at 500. If someone
wants to do closer to 800, let them. I personally don't believe that every person in the world can only
benefit from strictly following the protocol of a 50-60 year old diet. If Dr. Simeons were alive today, I bet he would be changing and/or adding things to fit modern science, new knowledge, improvements, etc.
Just my opinion! :0)

Well said! I'm about to head to the farmer's market for a fresh supply of veggies. Which juicer are you using? I'm using an Omega VRT 350HD. It does a great job and there is little seperation after anything has been juiced. I'm trying to stay away from fruit, since I tend to get hungry on such a low calorie diet. However, straight green veggies can be a bit bitter. I have discovered that if I do half water and half green veggie juice, it tastes just like cucumber juice! Which is one of my favs. Plus, it's easier to stay close to 500 cal. if I'm drinking half juice, half water each time.

[prpaims]

[QUOTE=JanuariStar;540820]Now that I've had some sleep, I just re-read that and realised how much sense it did not make. Too many nutrients will tax my liver?!! Heaven forbid that I should flood my liver w/ something healthy for a change! LMAO!!! Uhm... I think the "taxing of my liver" is what I was doing when I gained all of this excess weight, eating processed foods.

nu·tri·ent :
A substance that provides nourishment essential for growth and the maintenance of life.


I'm guessing you didn't read the link. I'm also thinking you don't really understand what happens to things, including "nutrients" once you put them into your body. What do you think happens to the excess when you consume more of something than your body can process at one time? I wish you the best of luck with your plan but it seems to me that you could do with a little more research before undertaking such an extreme objective.

[Domovoy]

JanuariStar, come join us in the Rogue Saloon! I am very interested in hearing how the juicing works for you! I wouldn't mind doing this myself if you're seeing positive results. I ate cheese, cashews, and drank gin like a fish in my first round, was able to stabilize, and am now on my first day of R2P2. I know each round is different, so will introduce rogue ways slowly. Anywhoo, come on over to the Rogue Saloon. No judging there, just encouragement!