[ToifvT5S]

I have a question. Would people really choose to go through an unimaginable horror such as the Hoocaust, or the Nanking Massacre as a life lesson? Would they choose to be gassed to death, or tortured, or beheaded?

[Bounce]

Hell No !!!!! and thats answered as a person.

As a Spiritual Being? Phew, that be a difficult one. Why would we want to? As Spiritual Beings, isn't being close to the Divine a lot better than all the ugly stuff that are to lifes lessons?

Just had to laugh........saw myself standing in front of The Light throwing a hissy fit cos I didn't want to come down lolz.

Being human is such an emotional and physical rollercoaster ride...and thats is whatever way you look at it.

Nice juicy question though Greysfan

Blessings

Papa Bear

[WaicurtaitfuT]

K here is what I need to say from the other side.

Our lifetimes here is just a blink of an eye. Yes 80 years like the snap of a finger. So when we choose horrific lessons before we're born, we KNOW that it is just a small part of a bigger part of the whole picture.

We choose these horrific lessons to TEACH OTHERS! If the holocast did not happen, would there be as much respect for racism or genocide? Would laws be enforced? Would there be as much equality as we have now?

People who sacrifice their lives are here to teach us strength, unconditional love, and so much more. Before you start to pity, look at your life and think that you would not have the life you do without the sacrifices of those souls before you.

Trust me, they KNOW before they come down. They are strong and advanced souls to choose that suffering.

[PypeMaypetasy]

I agree, Papa Bear, as a human in the physical realm my first thought is to recoil in horror from the thought of setting myself up for misery and death. But that's an emotional response, a survival instinct.

I guess it's sort of like joining the military. You know there's a war going on, you know you're likely to wind up in the middle of the fighting... and you're still willing to sign up, and put your life on the line for others.

The souls who sign up for lives that will end in violence and bloodshed... yes, they knew. But they signed up anyway, and put their lives on the line for others. They died so that others could learn and grow, to settle karmic debts, and so that they, too, could learn essential lessons.

They volunteered to 'do what needs doing.' Blessedly, they volunteered knowing there was a reason for the suffering they would endure, and in full knowledge that the soul cannot die. It doesn't seem so bad to suffer today, when there's a promise of a glorious forever, when the suffering is over.

At least, that's how I see it.

[MeeveStesia]

What about the souls who choose to be the ones to enforce such sufferings? Why would a soul choose to murder and mutilate others during their lifetime? To teach themself a lesson? To teach humanity a lesson?
And I do not feel like we've all learned our lessons, horrific things still happen but some of us were just lucky to be born in a different country so they don't personally know what that suffering is like :P

[hieklyintinee]

Now THAT is a real mystery to me, and I don't have any kind of answer. Did there HAVE to be Hitler, a Jack the Ripper, a Sirhan Sirhan, a Charles Manson? Or were those all souls that COULD have made different decisions?

If Charles Manson hadn't commited those crimes, would someone else have filled that slot? If Hitler hadn't decide that racial purity was a good and just cause, would another madman have stepped in to ensure that the Halocaust happened?

Maybe Laura can shed some light on this. I'm completely baffled.

[hellenmoranov]

It is believed by some that a new born already knows its life path direction
It chooses the father and mother already knowing the truth about its life
It already knows its trials and tribulations that it will face and its life's end
It already knows the length of its life and its reasons for being and doing
The teachings that it must share and also the lessons to others it will give
Only at the moment of its birth does it choose to forget the knowledge
Allowing it to live the life through without all the insider knowledge
So that it can experience everything that it first choose its new life for
We are all sharing lessons with those around us and effecting others
We are not really insular beings, everyday we interact with other people
Everyday other people interact with us, for the better or worse we interact
Life lessons are taught, forgotten and relearn’t every day of our lives

[Jalieteplalry]

True, Hermit. But that doesn't quite address the issue of whether someone would deliberately choose to come to Earth as a despicable character.

Realizing that each of us is impacted by every interraction with another soul that we encounter, and that we make decisions every day that can change the direction of our lives... was it inevitable that Hitler, for example, would snuff our hundreds of thousands of lives? Did the soul known as Hitler come here to Earth with genocide as his life's work? Was there a conversation on the other side that included "...and you need to destroy all the Jews you can reach..."?

I find that difficult to accept.

[furious1]

Apparently these 'teacher souls' have not a very good job
The world is strife with hatred and racism, inequality and oppression.
Personally, I don't see the point in a soul with the ability to choose its destiny to decide on suffering or to be malevolent, it is this very opposite to which spiritual evolution means to me, the ability upon incarnation to choose a more blissful experience and to provide a better experience for others.

[MichaelfromSpace]

They don't. You see they have had a past of destruction already. So they say. "Oh I can beat it. I can do better. I'm ready!" Now there are groups of people that are with them. They say. "Ok, if you can't change in this life, I will be there to challenge you. I will be in a situation at that time where you can choose to ignore the temptation or fall victim to it."

That is how it is set up. The victim knows beforehand. The killer is trying to mend, but does not always do it. (like rehab and Lindsey Lohan)

[Unamannuato]

This is so confusing...

So the victims of horrible things know ahead of time. The villains DO NOT.

If the villains aren't already cast as villains, and can change, then what the victims "know ahead of time" may very well not happen. That would mean that the premise the victims accepted before they returned, isn't true?

That would mean that the victims aren't able to fulfill their mission/destiny, because the bad guy changed his mind?

I have to wonder if there's more than one mechanism at work here. Yes, lots of souls choose their life cir***stances and agree to complete certain tasks.

Perhaps others "jump out of line" and refuse to do this. Maybe impatient souls incarnate without this planning, due to their eagerness to carry out their own agenda? Maybe before even completing the life-review that would have given them insight into their motives and impact on others? And maybe the higher power KNOWS that this will happen, laying the groundwork for the horrible events the victims are prepared for?

[lungumnentibe]

Perhaps it is easier to understand the agenda of the Soul as a personal one, an agenda of Freedom of Will towards the atonement with the Higher Self thus returning to the very essence of the Universe from which it longs to return to.

With each incarnation the Soul/Dæmon exists at a higher plane of consciousness than us, as we attain this level of higher consciousness and die, then incarnate we are a step above than before and our Dæmon is again one step above that, unti finally we are at the point of incarnated consciousness and our Soul/Dæmon is at Divine Consciousness . . . our final step will be that of Apotheosis and we are then upon death Self-Deified.

Or maybe not? LOL!

[teodaschwartia]

Ok my guides tell me that most people think in "human" ego ways and this is hard to grasp. I will try to say it as well as I can.

This is so confusing...

So the victims of horrible things know ahead of time. The villains DO NOT.Victims are teaching lessons to the Villains. Each life is complex with teachings and lessons. See below.

If the villains aren't already cast as villains, and can change, then what the victims "know ahead of time" may very well not happen. That would mean that the premise the victims accepted before they returned, isn't true?

Do you realize how many lessons and things we come here to learn, but also to teach? TONS!
Not everything we chose is always going to happen. As we have FREE WILL as do the souls we have lessons with, so we can choose not to help someone with lesson A. But Joe also said he would if I didn't. So the lesson still gets through.

Let me try with a MMORPG reference (roll playing games). So in D&D, you pick the left. The book that the master holds has many different paths and lessons depending on what you choose. It can change every single time you play. You may be a good elf, but you see a chest and decide.. I will loot this chest. Does this change the game? Oh yeah it does. Now you are a neutral elf and the master has to choose a different "guide"for the new change in your class.

That would mean that the victims aren't able to fulfill their mission/destiny, because the bad guy changed his mind?Their mission isn't based on anyone but themselves. If they die by the hands of someone, (as a way to help their soul) they will just come back in a few years (40 or so)and then work toward their own lessons they didn't get time to do. It's like being sick and missing 2 weeks of school. You don't get expelled, you just come back and make up the papers and tests you missed.

I have to wonder if there's more than one mechanism at work here. Yes, lots of souls choose their life cir***stances and agree to complete certain tasks.

Perhaps others "jump out of line" and refuse to do this. Maybe impatient souls incarnate without this planning, due to their eagerness to carry out their own agenda? Maybe before even completing the life-review that would have given them insight into their motives and impact on others? And maybe the higher power KNOWS that this will happen, laying the groundwork for the horrible events the victims are prepared for?It is like one HUGE play but more of an improv Does that help?

[mikajuise]

Hello Blue Tiger

I think my answer does cover why people are good and bad
As the child chooses its parents and its life paths before entering the world
Then off it goes on its life path to learn its lessons
The direction of life is then, its journey for good or bad

[Pharmaciest]

I have a question. Would people really choose to go through an unimaginable horror such as the Hoocaust, or the Nanking Massacre as a life lesson? Would they choose to be gassed to death, or tortured, or beheaded?

Has a human being, I would definitely say NO. But knowing that I can't see the whole picture of my souls purpose and progression with my human eyes, maybe it's not so much how we pass into the spirit world that is of relevance.

Those people who 'die' before their time are, according to spirit, compensated. Whereas those who do the crimes will delay their spiritual progression until they understand and accept their actions caused unnecessary pain and suffering and are intent on amending their ways/actions.