[Kk21pwa9]

how can you tell the difference?

example 1:
pretend you and a psychic friend, or a psychic group of people are venturing out to reach a target person, someone you're attempting to help. you pinpoint their location and concentrate very hard on penetrating their veil of privacy, and discover what you feel is their inner entity/mind/body/spirit. there you find memories, emotions, fears/needs etc. but what if what you find is not your target at all. what if the one you find has cloaked themself to appear as your target, in order to 1)protect them 2)harm them 3)harm you.

how can you know the difference?

example 2:
you meet someone for the first time. they have a casual appearance, nothing out of the ordinary, nothing striking. but there's "something about them" you don't like. it bothers you. you wonder to yourself, try to tap their "intentions", and what you find disturbs you even more.

how do you know that what you "found" was emanating from them at all?
what if it was distortion from a meddling entity, as above?

what methods do you use to decipher the difference, and how accurate is it?
this runs in line with the whole "you attract what you send for" or you recieve what you expect to recieve.
another example, from david's blog:
halaliel was what the source later referred to as a “trickster” entity, in that it greeted the group that edgar was working with through his readings and gave them prophecies of doom. thank you for your time.

[herawaq]

well im just thinking out loud here but if you have those abilities skilled to the point to start doing stuff like that i would think you would learn how to tell apart the frequencies right?

[Kk21pwa9]

well im just thinking out loud here but if have those abilities skilled to the point to start doing stuff like that i would think you would learn how to tell apart the frequencies right?

that's the reason i gave the example of edgar cayce. he and his associates were obviously fooled, and they were doing these things for years.
i never said i do this, btw, just trying to figure some things out.

[seervezex]

you could always achieve enlightenment. i am sure with that experience under your belt you would have a pretty handy yardstick with which to measure distortions.

[dubGucKcolo]

how can you tell the difference?

example 1:
pretend you and a psychic friend, or a psychic group of people are venturing out to reach a target person, someone you're attempting to help. you pinpoint their location and concentrate very hard on penetrating their veil of privacy, and discover what you feel is their inner entity/mind/body/spirit. there you find memories, emotions, fears/needs etc. but what if what you find is not your target at all. what if the one you find has cloaked themself to appear as your target, in order to 1)protect them 2)harm them 3)harm you.

how can you know the difference?

example 2:
you meet someone for the first time. they have a casual appearance, nothing out of the ordinary, nothing striking. but there's "something about them" you don't like. it bothers you. you wonder to yourself, try to tap their "intentions", and what you find disturbs you even more.

how do you know that what you "found" was emanating from them at all?
what if it was distortion from a meddling entity, as above?

what methods do you use to decipher the difference, and how accurate is it?
this runs in line with the whole "you attract what you send for" or you recieve what you expect to recieve.
another example, from david's blog:


thank you for your time.

the first thing i would suggest is that if the person is unknowing or unwilling, it takes away their free will and this will attract a negative entity to the one forcing themselves past those borders. without their consent, it could be considered psychic rape - so definitely i would question whatever knowledge someone got if they did to to an unknowing person.

if the person is knowing, and consenting to it, they are open to it -and you wont attract those entities. you will indeed be reading them. if you find something negative, it is most likely really from them. even if they invite negativity in their life, and entities attract to them - the person reading them will only see the person, and not the entity. and the reason the psychic would see negative thoughts or dreams or memories is not because they are reading from the negative entity themselves, but rather they are reading what the negative entity implanted in the person.

as for telling the difference in that, putting it into words is tricky, but i would suggest that if the person reading can keep their own personal biases out of the picture, they can tell and would feel that something isnt right with what they are seeing. like they can separate the two personalities.
its very hard to keep out personal biases though. if you read someone and they are thinking something you dont like or agree with personally, you cant label that as a negative entity just because they have a differing opinion. and if you cant get past them, you could be clouded in what you are seeing.

whereas if you are not clouded, you could see its not a match. like something is attached to their aura.


as for the second question, this happens by reading aura. you dont have to see them to read them. and since you are reading their aura, you generally are picking up directly from that person. if somehow you also read an attached entity the thing you have to remember is a) youre not reading the persons aura at that point, rather you are looking past a psychic veil, and also a negative entity has to be invited so they cannot influence how someone is read unless they already were - and at that point, you want to be careful anyways because that person invited them in.

the thing with haliel is that a) cayce invited him in, and b) haliel was presenting himself to people who were not reading cayce in return.

[Kk21pwa9]

you could always achieve enlightenment. i am sure with that experience under your belt you would have a pretty handy yardstick with which to measure distortions.

thanks, i figured most of the responces would be like yours. i suppose you could share how one would become(and know the point of) enlightened? that would be helpful.

[Kk21pwa9]

the first thing i would suggest is that if the person is unknowing or unwilling, it takes away their free will and this will attract a negative entity to the one forcing themselves past those borders. without their consent, it could be considered psychic rape - so definitely i would question whatever knowledge someone got if they did to to an unknowing person.

i completely agree with this. this is why whenever i meet someone new, i offer quietly to myself the "freedom to whatever information is desired", because this allows for no distortion, at least from my end.

if the person is knowing, and consenting to it, they are open to it -and you wont attract those entities. you will indeed be reading them. if you find something negative, it is most likely really from them. even if they invite negativity in their life, and entities attract to them - the person reading them will only see the person, and not the entity. and the reason the psychic would see negative thoughts or dreams or memories is not because they are reading from the negative entity themselves, but rather they are reading what the negative entity implanted in the person. again, you're in line with my theories on that. and i agree about the negative entities planting unwanted ideas. my older son used to complain to me all the time about thoughts that kept arising in his head that were very upsetting. i told him to pretend he had a flame-thrower in his mind and whenever they would show up, imagine turning them to ashes. this worked for him. the point is, sometimes we don't invite bad thoughts at all but they come anyway, over and over. it's as if it pleases the negative entities when these things upset us and they use them as 'toys'. i don't see how this is helpful to our development, if anything, it pushes us toward negative polarity.
but it's very obvious that negative entities do hang around people, this is why, if you want the most accurate information, it's better to ask permissions from your target.

as for telling the difference in that, putting it into words is tricky, but i would suggest that if the person reading can keep their own personal biases out of the picture, they can tell and would feel that something isnt right with what they are seeing. like they can separate the two personalities.
its very hard to keep out personal biases though. if you read someone and they are thinking something you dont like or agree with personally, you cant label that as a negative entity just because they have a differing opinion. this is something i've been learning about and have been slightly experimenting with, but have not put full attentions on it(busy mom, etc.). the first thing i learned going in this direction is, unconditional love. in other words, accepting the different stages in people's development and not becoming offended by what i would consider "flaws". i found that the more i intune myself with their higher self's message, the more i can help them to the best of my abilities. it is tricky business, and we do make mistakes.

and if you cant get past them, you could be clouded in what you are seeing.
whereas if you are not clouded, you could see its not a match. like something is attached to their aura. i don't see auras, only go by a sense of 'knowing' that wasn't there before. new information, so to speak. but i completely agree about being clouded, even the slightest bit of "sts"(narcissism, unforgiveness, annoyance etc.) clouds "vision".


the thing with haliel is that a) cayce invited him in, and b) haliel was presenting himself to people who were not reading cayce in return. the thing about "inviting" is, it could be something that generally annoys us that causes negative entities to stick around and play with us. for example, someone doesn't like the sound of their coworker's slurping their coffee in the morning might be an excellent play-toy for a negative entity hanging around. this pawn being used may very well be completely unaware they're being used to "torture" this person. this is done to put a person further on the path of negativity, so, in a way, they do invite it. but most people don't go out searching for things to annoy them or thoughts of negativity.

[Fsfkkkjz]

example 1:
pretend you and a psychic friend, or a psychic group of people are venturing out to reach a target person, someone you're attempting to help. you pinpoint their location and concentrate very hard on penetrating their veil of privacy, and discover what you feel is their inner entity/mind/body/spirit. there you find memories, emotions, fears/needs etc. but what if what you find is not your target at all. what if the one you find has cloaked themself to appear as your target, in order to 1)protect them 2)harm them 3)harm you.

how can you know the difference?

apart from the already mentioned warning that it is wrong to force your way into someones private sphere like this. you would know the difference.

there are two ways of aquiring knowledge..

first: you're describing pushing the psychic senses into the person's private space and discovering things by method of perception. then analizing these things with rational thoughts. it's easy for this process to be messed up by others. for example by creating a charge for the purpose of distorting people who come in like this. but more likely because the perception is very much guided by expectation. in other words. you see what you expect.

it's basically a 3d function. different truths are possible, the same thing can have multiple faces.

secondly... just know it. you won't know what isn't relevant. but what you do know is true. you can't put your finger on why you know and you can't manipulate what you know. you just know... first impressions are usually charged with this kind of knowledge.

4d function. it's untranslatable in words. but it usually works out.

example 2:
you meet someone for the first time. they have a casual appearance, nothing out of the ordinary, nothing striking. but there's "something about them" you don't like. it bothers you. you wonder to yourself, try to tap their "intentions", and what you find disturbs you even more.

how do you know that what you "found" was emanating from them at all?
what if it was distortion from a meddling entity, as above? in this situation you just clearly know you've got a half truth. if you have a whole truth you will feel compassion. because even if the entity involved is the biggest son of a "not so nice person" in the whole world. the full perspective will cause you to understand why and thus cause compassion.

what methods do you use to decipher the difference, and how accurate is it? this runs in line with the whole "you attract what you send for" or you recieve what you expect to recieve. my personal methods are:
impression: what impression does someone give me?
this is the direct feeling of someone. it tells me if they are happy or sad, if they believe in others or if they do not. if they are open or closed. importantly i will try to figure out if they are consistent. (someone who does something that he does not believe in will often be noticeably inconsistent.) and a whole host of minor variables.

motivation: what motivators does this person have?
someones basic layout does not solely define his behaviors. if they have certain motivators they can still choose to do things that do not fit their character. for a million bucks someone might be tempted to do something he would otherwise find reprehensible. especially if they have money problems now.

actions and appeal: what kind of appeal does someone make in their communications? what are they trying to get others to do? what motions in the outside world are they starting? it is safe to assume that they hope their actions will pay off later on. unless they know you're watching this in which case it can be a smoke screen.

who am i?: we often see ourselves in others. we often have a habit of projecting unto others what we don't like to see in ourselves. which means you might mistakenly project unto others a subconscious idea you have about yourself. therefore before you can truly know another, you have to know yourself. without self knowledge you would not be able to identify which of your perceptions is self, and which is the other.

i don't think there is a "one way", "catch all" method of putting your finger on someones intentions and character. but when i use the above options i usually get far. i've been trained as a psychologist. when i was put to work as an intern i had to analize psychological profiles and test scores of people. and they put a few by me. the literal comment to my first few were "did you speak with these people already? it seems like you know them." i didn't know them. but they had been pointed out to me in a crowd. their tests and their vibes was enough to do a good job.

[dubGucKcolo]

i completely agree with this. this is why whenever i meet someone new, i offer quietly to myself the "freedom to whatever information is desired", because this allows for no distortion, at least from my end.

at the same time when we do this we have to be extra careful that the offering is not seen as an invitation by negative entities. i find having strength in your convictions and will, help to create kind of a forcefield type shield around you. they cannot attack you just because you extend yourself to a fellow spirit.


again, you're in line with my theories on that. and i agree about the negative entities planting unwanted ideas. my older son used to complain to me all the time about thoughts that kept arising in his head that were very upsetting. about a week ago i was discussing a similar topic with my mother, and she brought this up. we used to live in a welfare type apartment complex when i was little, and we were discussing all the negative things we found to happen there. using what i know now as the third eye, i remember i could see the apartment was cast in a dark hue.
my mother confided in me a week ago that when we lived there, she constantly fought negative thoughts telling her to kill herself and my sister and i. she also around this time started dealing with seizures. my mother does not have a strong constitution, and these entities like to migrate to her. she stresses out very easily and has thoughts of suicide when things hit a low point, and she has said that the only thing giving her strength to push past that is my sister and i. this is part of the reason i still live at home, and if i move im taking her with me. i share my strength with her, and when this happens you can see her brighten up and have a more positive outlook. im more than certain that since shes easily susceptible to fear she will always face this.

the point is, sometimes we don't invite bad thoughts at all but they come anyway, over and over. it's as if it pleases the negative entities when these things upset us and they use them as 'toys'. i don't see how this is helpful to our development, if anything, it pushes us toward negative polarity. definitely. i find they most especially try to go after those of strong will, because those who are not strong are "easy pickings". not that they leave them alone, its just they really go out for those who are strong. whenever any negative thoughts come my way i banish them mostly. im still working on the ones that feed me the self esteem issues as mentioned in the other thread.

i do think it is helpful though, actually - because we fight them when they come to us - and by doing so that makes us stronger. and when they come, its also a sign for us to take notice, we have a weakness in our 'shield' somewhere.

this is something i've been learning about and have been slightly experimenting with, but have not put full attentions on it(busy mom, etc.). the first thing i learned going in this direction is, unconditional love. in other words, accepting the different stages in people's development and not becoming offended by what i would consider "flaws". i found that the more i intune myself with their higher self's message, the more i can help them to the best of my abilities. it is tricky business, and we do make mistakes. this is definitely something we all have to struggle with - we have to battle imposed ideals on us since birth, and then even though we found our spiritual path and have begun the process of enlightenment, no matter how far we go, we have to still devote time on the physical plane, and that really can pull our focus away from our path. especially when the busier we become the more we lose focus. its really hard when you are a naturally restless person, to slow down and stop doing things, just to relax. lol

i find that a good way to avoid personal bias is to implement the same ideal when doing meditation - and that is that the number one thing to remember is to not analyze when information comes to you. just watch. you can analyze after, later. just take in what you see as if watching a movie or such. then after, you go over it. at least this way you have the information and its presented as fact versus opinion, and if you write everything down you can go back to it later. what you may have issue with now, you may change your mind later, and then you would have this journal to go back to and maybe see where they come from in a different light.

another good step is when you feel you might be biased, stop and ask yourself where are they coming from - what facts do they base their ideals on? because more than not, their ideals tend to be based on them having more knowledge in that area than anyone else. usually due to life experiences. so its really a case of unless you walk in their shoes, you just cant have a good understanding. remembering that helps switch off the personal filter that can influence. it definitely takes practice, and it also takes practice as a daily routine in everything we do. we cant subscribe to this only when we read others, we have to apply it to our spirit.
it does take time. but when you apply it to everything in your life, then when it comes to do the spiritual part its easier.

i don't see auras, only go by a sense of 'knowing' that wasn't there before. new information, so to speak. but i completely agree about being clouded, even the slightest bit of "sts"(narcissism, unforgiveness, annoyance etc.) clouds "vision". thats the same for me. i have never seen an aura outside of pictures. but even getting the 'knowing' as i call it, is a form of 'seeing'. so i tend to use that word loosely. even just receiving information can be clouded or hazy - for example what you receive is not strong, you get impressions here and there, rather than a 100%... so in that sense its still cloudy.

the thing about "inviting" is, it could be something that generally annoys us that causes negative entities to stick around and play with us. only to a degree. you can be annoyed by something and still not put too much emotion behind it. it all ties to emotion.. i also find that emotion seems to be a spurt of energy, it builds up and releases... and so when it builds up it acts as a radio signal, and you attract whatever you send out.

but you can definitely be annoyed at something and not let the emotion build up. its a bit like being distanced from your feelings. so a co-worker slurping a straw - in either case is annoying as heck - but you can either sit there and get a frown and mull over it and become angrier by the second.... or you can instead be pro-active in a solution, such as putting on your headset, or taking a potty break so that hopefully they are done by the time you get back. lol
slurping coffee, well thats a little longer than a potty break... lol but there are other things. i used to keep my headphones in one ear, and the headset for the phone in the other ear. then i paused the music when i had to be on the phone... but as soon as the call was over - that music was back on lol

this pawn being used may very well be completely unaware they're being used to "torture" this person. technically, they are not pawns - the answer lies with us, and we choose what is an issue for us... so in a sense, we are our own pawn.

im struggling with where i live. i deal with several neighbors who play their music loudly. and because they do, whereas ive never ever thought of differences in culture much less judge them in the past, its forced upon me.
and this creates a highly negative environment for me. if you look up noise pollution under wikipedia - every symptom they list there thats caused by noise pollution, i have faced, and i know that its a test.
i just dont know how to overcome it, the fear and anxiety. outside of sleeping during the day and awake at night...

and i know the issue lies with me, because im the one having the fear and anxiety about it.

i would love to live somewhere quiet. where we still have trees and nature i would seriously grow then, spiritually.

[seervezex]

thanks, i figured most of the responces would be like yours. i suppose you could share how one would become(and know the point of) enlightened? that would be helpful.

sure, trust the momentum of your own experience and what you percieve to be the essence of your being, and don't get hung up on a teaching or a belief about the nature of reality. as for how you would know, i doubt it would be something that would escape your attention.(smile)

[dubGucKcolo]

sure, trust the momentum of your own experience and what you percieve to be the essence of your being, and don't get hung up on a teaching or a belief about the nature of reality. as for how you would know, i doubt it would be something that would escape your attention.(smile)

i dont think its an issue of seeing, or catching your attention. its a question in having faith that its not just your own imagination, vs. really seeing.

this is an analogy i have found that seems to help...

when you are on your computer, or laptop especially - and you execute a command such as telling your computer to run a program, you can feel the hard drive start spinning - its looking in its own database to pull the required files. when this happens, you hear it, and you feel it.

our brains, are much like hard drives. we have electric pulses that transmit through the nerves to pull the information. so when we think, our minds are constantly 'spinning' - this is why when you think even more on complicated tasks you can get mentally tired.
but when you think, you can feel your brain actively. if you pay attention, you can 'hear' it as well. what you feel and hear when you think is stemmed from your whole brain, not the pineal...

when you go into a meditative state, you are to shut down your mind, your thoughts, and relax... and you notice how everything is quiet? inside your head, not just outside. pay attention to the 'sound' of the quiet and compare it to the 'sound' of when you are thinking. you will then be able to tell the difference between the two.

so that when you next see something, or know something, if you hear or feel your brain working, it most likely is indeed coming from you and not an outer source.

whereas if you dont hear it or feel it, then logically its not you coming up with/compiling the information. and thus, its from an outside source.

this is where faith comes in, because once youre out of the meditative state and start analyzing and thinking - and as time passes... you tend to question yourself. so when you meditate and receive the knowledge and also receive the 100% certainty, remember that feeling, and pull it up for when you begin to doubt.

[Vokbeelllicky]

the first thing i would suggest is that if the person is unknowing or unwilling, it takes away their free will and this will attract a negative entity to the one forcing themselves past those borders. without their consent, it could be considered psychic rape - so definitely i would question whatever knowledge someone got if they did to to an unknowing person. i agree with this. this is inline with what i have just read in the law of one. if an individual has an issue, then their higher self will continue to present them with situations that are designed for the individual to learn how to fix the problem at his or her own pace. if that individual does not learn from these karmic lessons then they will repeat them over and over until they get it.

using your psychic abilities to try to negate this will not work. moreover, you are opening yourself up to negative influences from the 4th and 5th dimensions by attempting to invade someones free will. it does not matter that your intentions are for the betterment of the individual. you are still violating the laws of the universe.

[Kk21pwa9]

moreover, you are opening yourself up to negative influences from the 4th and 5th dimensions by attempting to invade someones free will. it does not matter that your intentions are for the betterment of the individual. you are still violating the laws of the universe.

i agree with this. unless a person willingly gives you permissions to penetrate their being, you're forcing yourself onto them, which is negative, and therefore you open your own self up to negative reprocussions and even open yourself up to being fooled by negative entity influences around you.

there's possitive and negative around every human on the planet and whatever we put out the most is going to effect the strength of those forces.
if we don't respect other people's free will, our own free will will be taken from us.

[seervezex]

i think it's important to remember that there is really nothing between oneself and god except for what we choose (on some level) to place there.
i know at times it can seem like that (illusory) space is full to overflowing with forces that want nothing more than to stop us making that connection, but this is simply not the case (unless of course one chooses to believe in that possibility).

seek and you will find,
(but don't get hung up on it,grander visions surely await us all)

peace

[Kk21pwa9]

i think it's important to remember that there is really nothing between oneself and god except for what we choose (on some level) to place there.
i know at times it can seem like that (illusory) space is full to overflowing with forces that want nothing more than to stop us making that connection, but this is simply not the case (unless of course one chooses to believe in that possibility).

seek and you will find,
(but don't get hung up on it,grander visions surely await us all)

peace

my biggest reason for "seeking" knowledge, accurate knowledge, is because i realized one day that my foundational beliefs about the realms beyond this "3d", were lies. i have children to teach and i refuse to teach them lies, no matter how "good" the intention of those lies are. i feel that teaching a child the beliefs in most religions today, and teaching them as fact, is lying to the child. this is the way i teach my children, "this is how mommy sees this or that. one day when you've gained experience and knowledge, you may build on what i'm teaching you, or you may make 'corrections'."

this teaches, without causing anger and a sense of betrayal for having been taught lies as "facts" should the information be incorrect.

this is why good entities("positive")(like "ra"), make recommendations and suggestions, while allowing you to figure things out for yourself, as opposed to trying to force information into you or extract information from you. positive entities don't invade and negative ones cannot, unless invited.
so, if you "seek", without invitation, what you'll get is...anyone's guess.

[seervezex]

so, you didn't get hung up on a teaching or a belief about the nature of reality.
i am sure you would have to agree then it's pretty good advice:d.
now for that other bit, i think in time you will find that's a pretty good "suggestion" as well.
of course you could always "not" trust the momentum of you're own experience and the essence of your being, but then you would be just like nearly everyone else:d.

[Kk21pwa9]

so, you didn't get hung up on a teaching or a belief about the nature of reality.
i am sure you would have to agree then it's pretty good advice:d.
now for that other bit, i think in time you will find that's a pretty good "suggestion" as well.
of course you could always "not" trust the momentum of you're own experience and the essence of your being, but then you would be just like nearly everyone else:d.

from what i notice with everyone on this forum and also in my own real life world, no two persons have the same version of a "spiritual life". obviously a lot of people have similar versions of realities, that's because there's solid proof of reality, not so with the other realms(4d etc etc). there are so many reasons for that and i don't think it will ever change, not on this earth. the best reason is that it makes the game fair for everyone playing here in "3d".

but i trust what matches up with each, and even then, i know i could be wrong.

[jeockammece]

there are so many reasons for that and i don't think it will ever change, not on this earth. the best reason is that it makes the game fair for everyone playing here in "3d". yes i agree if i wasn't trapped on this planet under all these illusions and lies i am very certain that there would only be one of us here or possibly even 0 and where would the fun be in that.

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ufo : the greatest story ever denied makes the spirit world come alive and gives a person some thing to meditate on a living universe now thats interesting sounds better than the hell that we currently occupy.

[nuncEtedben]

this is a good question. tough to answer, but a good question :-)

speaking only for myself, i find i am able to send out thoughts of love, healing, balance or whatever the case may be, without trying to penetrate their veil of privacy. now i *think* i understand why you are doing that, i am guessing you may want to try and find out what the issues are ? correct me if i'm wrong.

however, i believe it's possible to send a general healing or intention of good wil without having to probe into a person or try to figure out the exact issues. the reason i say this is b/c it's more or less an invasion of privacy unless the person requests it, and from experience i can tell you even then people will still have barriers if they really don't want to know something or they only want to know what they want to know... know what i mean? lol

it's a tricky thing and it comes down to trust in yourself and surround yourself in whatever form of protection you use. that may or may not be necessary depending on how you approach it all. before any reading i take time to meditate and bathe myself in light so to speak. different people do different things.

no one is infallible, but honestly if you wish to repel "negative" entities, it's safe to say you can do that if you firmly do not give them any "power" to interfere or come in.

i'd say more about this but my tv show is about to come on . lol i may come back later and add more.

trust yourself, and only try to pierce someone's veil of privacy if they ask you too. even then, recognize it works sometimes, but nobodys batting 100 as far i know. ( well maybe david lol )

be well,
sherry

[zlopikanikanz]

however, i believe it's possible to send a general healing or intention of good wil without having to probe into a person or try to figure out the exact issues. the reason i say this is b/c it's more or less an invasion of privacy unless the person requests it, and from experience i can tell you even then people will still have barriers if they really don't want to know something or they only want to know what they want to know... know what i mean? lol

totally agree. after all, we are always sending out energy whether we are aware of it or not. if we can be consciously aware of our energy and be sure to send love, i can see only good results. if someone does not want to accept the love, they always have the choice to ignore it. i believe this is what david is referring to when he talks about torsion fields, but could be mistaken