[wizardasa]

Hello everyone, my name is ian, i am 32 from england, i know this is not the place for introductions but it has took some courage to write one post.

I am sorry for taking so much time of those who read this but i am a bit worried.

It started when i downloaded a goal-setting ebook collection from mininova, within this pack was an intro to AP by abislek agarwal. It spoke about being able to fly and awoke old dream feelings of doing just that, i read this book that night and the following day, totally consumed all day by this new idea. I had no idea what astral projection was before. I decided to try it (day 2). It was amazing and i can honestly say that i knew my life would be different from that moment on, an unusual feeling for a plasterer with his feet firmly in the physical world! There is no doubt it was not a dream. After a while i pushed my face through a window and saw someone stood outside, not good, i became very tired and scared, it all went very dark, so i returned to my body.

Again sorry for the long post but what follows is the problem, i thought it would be useful to express my inexperience first. The person outside scared me and i had just started reading Astral Dynamics by ROBERT BRUCE (why i am posting here), i searched the word fear through the document and came across the concept of creating a sword (THANK GOD) I came to terms with my fear because of this book, thankyou. A few days later i tried again (daytime! lol.coward). My whole body tensed up and i became fearful so stopped. I had decided that whatever the figure was i was not going to be bullied.

Fast forward two weeks--I had been having some lucid dreams but had made no attempt to project, realising i could but knew i was not ready or knowledgable enough. I had returned from iceland and was very tired sat on my laptop, fell asleep and "fell out" my body onto the floor, knew i was exhausted so went back in and off to bed, lay on my side as i believed this would stop projection, fool!.
I became aware as i left my body and felt good so floated off and went for a fly, really happy and returned to my bedroom. Was feeling some interferance being close to my body so floated out the bedroom and out the back door, as i pushed through there was something to my right that let out an almighty bark, which scared me, i floated upwards and away, as i was entering somehere~#? I was pulled back down to my bedroom by some sort of fear/emergency#? All went very dark,cold and scary, the thing that was by my back door attacked me by putting its arms and legs around me from behind and biting me, i was getting very weak and collapsed onto the floor with this thing on my back and me screaming for it to get off, it felt as if i was dying.
I knew i needed to see it and as i thought this all my walls were mirrors and it was lighter! MAD! To my surprise, in the mirror in front of me i saw a tall shadow stood watching the whole thing behind me. At this point i knew it was do or die. This all happened very, very quickly. I dont know why but a sword appeared on the floor (dont remember thinking of it) in front of me and in one fluid movement using the mirrors i grabbed the sword from the floor, spun around and chopped the slag between the shoulder and head, right in the neck!! This little goblin/demon thing that was on my back legged it behind the curtains, i could see the bulge and sense its fear as i was stabbing at them with my sword but not sure if i had it or not? dont think so.
I returned to my bedroom very shaken and upset, looking in the mirror at my astral body i had a strange lump on my head, like an upside down eagle beak in the middle of my forehead! Also i had black writing all over my skull, nasty looking. I turned to my girlfriend and asked her what it said in total shock by now, she said "pukey" , there were other words which i am sure whre equally offensive. The bastards had been drawing on me!!
I then opened my eyes and was in my normal body, i know it was not a dream as there was not any gap in conciousness at all. I was both shocked and in a great deal of pain where this thing had bitten me!! This i find the most worrying aspect as i had no idea i could transfer wounds and it lasted for two days.
There is no doubt in my mind that the little beast was waiting for me to sleep or return? I had been in iceland for 4 days, The other thing i would like to add is that since then 27/01. I have remembered other occasions of attacks, long forgotten. Needless to say i have not projected since as i know something is still on my case, i have felt its presence while awake, also i have had it effect my dreams on a number of occasions since, going from happy normal dream to feelings of embarressment,fear,shame e.t.c
There is alot more that has happened since, some really strange things. but this post is huge already, hopefully if you have read this far you will understand all of it was neccessary.

Someone or something has been helping me since and there have been the craziest coincidences and i can now see what i think are auras.
I dont know what to do?How do i stop it? What happened? What it was? Why me? The writing? The lump? What next? is it normal? I really need some help please, please.
I swear i have not made one word of this up and could not if i tried.

[VotsUtegems]

Hi Ian.
It seems to me that you are having 'dweller on the threshold' symptoms, which will not go away until you face your fears. Usually with a dweller situation, many things can be the cause, mostly energy-related (the 'dweller' theme is in AD Pedia and I suggest you look it up- the links are in my sig for this. Here is the one I like best: viewtopic.php?t=7304&highlight=dweller
If you feel very insecure about what is happening to you (and some of it can be symbolic) I suggest you shield and protect yourself and apply countermeasures before you endeavor to project again, but I think just knowing that you are projecting your fears into the astral matrix may be enough to make you feel better.

For countermeasures, go to the Psychic Defense threads and you'll see a list.

[wizardasa]

thanks for your guidance, i have looked at this possibility but ruled it out because i was not scared at all but having a good time, then the negative arrived as if alerted by this little beast that was waiting outside for me. It really seemed like the figure had this thing trained in some way, also the pain that followed the biting was very real. Since i stood up to this thing my girlfriend and my mum have both experienced a form of possesion/trance with very unchracteristic negative results. I am not sure how i know but i am positive it is an external predetor. Who should i see about this sort of thing? A medium?

[hasasnn2345tv]

sounds to me that you are
1. hanging too close to the physical
2. not establishing protection before 'venturing out'
and
3. not projecting with a destination.


the few times i have projected without those 3 items fully 'taken care of' beforehand, i have had 'issues'.

it was a situation somewhat like that, or a series of situations like that, which 'scared me in' a long time ago (mid 1980's).

and i have been 'messed up' ever since..


/rick

[wizardasa]

yes mate, all three of those apply!! It all took place in the real time zone, is this the what you mean by too close to the phsical? I am so underdeveloped spiritually, is there a simple form of protection that a novice could use sucessfully?
I really apprecciate both of your inputs, by descovering what it is not can only be a step forward. thankyou both.
A destination? should this be place i have been before? like in the real world?

[VotsUtegems]

thanks for your guidance, i have looked at this possibility but ruled it out because i was not scared at all but having a good time, then the negative arrived as if alerted by this little beast that was waiting outside for me. It really seemed like the figure had this thing trained in some way, also the pain that followed the biting was very real. Since i stood up to this thing my girlfriend and my mum have both experienced a form of possesion/trance with very unchracteristic negative results. I am not sure how i know but i am positive it is an external predetor. Who should i see about this sort of thing? A medium?

It does sound like a neg (I have had physical results out of an encounter myself, so I know this can happen), and I'd start with countermeasures, before looking for external help.

[wizardasa]

thankyou cftraveler, followed your link and it seems i have alot of reading to do. I have took the day off work tomorrow to work on defence, i am sure i have been attracting this myself because of my lifestyle, problems with hard drugs and intense depression which seemed to come and go in a heartbeat, you are right in that it is something i know i must face alone as i am responsible for the invitation some years ago, it seems to be reluctant to let go and i cannot blame it, i must have been very tasty! I have been very clean for some months now and maybe this is the final step? could that figure have been me? The story of looking below the house is so apt and like it says, there is relief in knowing of the problem as it can then be addressed. The thought of this thing effecting another person is all the drive i need. After i had this attack i recorded the experience and in a semi trance state (4.45am) wrote the need for a dirk and a strange symbol, not knowing what either of these things are. I later discovered a dirk is an ancient scottish sword, like the one i used, and the sign was a rune --algiz--, which means protection and purple sedge grass or tiger nuts, used to treat intense anxiety or depression!!!Also known for balancing energies! Thankyou again for the direction and confirming it is MY problem. One final question though, can i die while projecting? i only ask as the pain i had was very real.

ian--not so worried anymore,,,,

[VotsUtegems]

No, in a very basic way. We project every night as we sleep- we just don't remember them most of the time, or remember them as dreams. So you have the same chance of dying in projection as you do in your sleep (which is not 0%, obviously.)
The thing with negs is that it can indeed be you- or not. If you approach the subject as a symbolic you'll soon find out. If it's independent (which I think is rare) then countermeasures should be in order. Either way it's worth investigating.

[hasasnn2345tv]

yes mate, all three of those apply!! It all took place in the real time zone, is this the what you mean by too close to the phsical? I am so underdeveloped spiritually, is there a simple form of protection that a novice could use sucessfully?
I really apprecciate both of your inputs, by descovering what it is not can only be a step forward. thankyou both.
A destination? should this be place i have been before? like in the real world?

yes, i meant real time zone.

re: protection....
protection probably deserves it's own stickied topic.......

when i first started consiously projecting, inadvertantly, i always managed to have a 'destination', and a purpose.
it helped a lot, that i was onboard a submarine at the time, so my available time was limited, so i dived into it 'with a plan'....
always with a plan.

at least at first...

now, realize, i had VERY little 'source material' or 'others to speak with' about OBE. (it was in the mid 80's... well before algore 'invented' the internet)....

anyway, then one day, i decided that instead of obe'ing 'with a purpose', i would 'go exploring'....
that was a big mistake for me.
since that time, i have not only NOT had a conscious OBE, but i still have some sort of 'issue' i have not gotten over, and my third eye is WAY CLOSED.....

anyway, so when i came here, and another board, and started reading, i kept hearing 'open in protection'....

over and over again,,,

so,, uh, what is OPEN IN PROTECTION?

it wasn't until i got a reading from a very dear person, that i found out what it was.

and basically, (and realize, this is just MY take on it), is that before you do any work (meditation, energy, obe, cairXXience, etc)...
you pray.

and
if so inclined, you 'form' a 'bubble of protection' around you....
the praying?
for me,,,
i first thank (for life, love, experience, blessings, loved ones, friends, opportunities, skills, knowledge, etc)
then i ask (for protection, for me, the area i'm in, the house i live in, and everyone who enters it, etc)
then i thank (for the protection, my guides, my animals, my guardian angels, etc)
then i close the 'channel' to 'source' (God/goddess/source/tau etc,,, whichever way you see 'the source of all life')

then, i also ask my guides, who, i KNOW are there, even if i can't see or hear them,,, to help protect me
then, i also ask my guardian angel, who i KNOW is there, even if i can't see or hear him,,, to help protect me.

then it 'get busy' with what i'm trying to do!

again, please do NOT use this as your only REFERENCE for that....
but it works for me.


re: destination....

i have been successful using the following for destinations:
a person, in RTZ. (specifically, my wife, while i was underwater/underway)
a person, in RTZ. (specifically, my dad, while i was underwater/underway)
a person's higher self in a level 'higher' than RTZ (specifically my dad's HS)
a locatoin in a level 'higher' than RTZ (specifically, my 'study room')

the thing i find most interesting about the situations where i was successfull, is that i did NOT have to do any 'navigation'...
i just 'solidified' my 'intent' on what i wanted to do, who or where i wanted to 'go',
and then it was just a matter of 'getting out',,, and once 'out' i would just 'GO'...
i would notice that i would 'emerge' in RTZ, and even looked back at myself a couple of times, and once even looked at a clock that was on a wall near where my bunk was, just to check the time. luckily i did not have to 'read', as i don't think i would have been able to,,, but i DID remember where mickey's big and little hands were!

(did i just 'date' myself?)

but,,, again,,, that is what worked FOR ME....

/rick

[VotsUtegems]

re: protection....
protection probably deserves it's own stickied topic.......

There are fourteen million stickied topics about protection in the Self-Defense Subforum.

[Jannet.K]

[wizardasa]

Thankyou rick, for your time and honesty, today i had an algiz tatoo on my neck! Let it sneak up from behind now......... I have come to realize that whatever it may be (internal / external), its goal is to inhibit my spiritual growth, not something i can accept. Maybe the ego does not wish to perish? maybe i am somethings only source of life? Time will tell.

I will follow your advice fully rick, as it makes perfect sense to me, in return may i suggest you try some tiger nut milk, on first use i could actually feel what i now know to be chakras opening, twisting and re-aligning. The latin name is cyperus rotundus or rotundas.. Its used here in england for fishing bait!! If you would like some and are having trouble aquiring let me know and i will post you some.(no cost).

I have tried imagining a bubble of light but struggle in knowing whether i have been successful if you know what i mean? Should i feel or see it?

One thing i would like to add for those people reading this who are trying to lift the veil. Please do not be put off by my experience, it is something i have caused myself due to MY negative actions over many years previously The awakening, awe, knowing, and massaging of my soul far outways the pain of confronting a bully. I am sure the harshness of this lesson will be contrasted by the majesty of knowledge one day.

I have found this book shined a light for me. scribd.com/doc/7294255/Psychic-Self-Defense-Spiritual-Prescriptions

Thankyou both again for the sound advice.