[Nzmoafzn]

From what I've learned kharris...a LOT of Razors Edge and Gottiline dogs were admittedly crossed with other breeds and a new "breed" was produced - the Am Bully. Apparently many of our UKC registered APBTs are actually supposed to be called Am Bullies now because they are a seperate breed. Personally...I have a hard time calling it a 'breed' because there doesn't seem to be any real clear cut consistency (yet) and everyone's opinion on what at Am Bully should look like seems to vary a little from person to person and from all the "classes" of Am Bullies. I think with more time the standard might become more defined...but it's too wide right now IMO.

My advice...find a good AKC/UKC Am Staff or UKC/ABDA APBT breeder from visiting shows and meeting people if you want to get a dog for show events. Research the pedigree and learn about their line of dogs' heritage before you commit to a dog.

[cestsennY]

I'd say just go to shows. ADBA, UKC, AKC, ABDA...all of em that you can reasonably drive to. Check out dogs, talk to people and decide which breed you want. You'll learn a lot, meet a lot of dogs and hopefully become able to tell them all apart more easily. Then you will have contacts and be able to select a reputable and responsible breeder to get your pup from.

[Zdmlscid]

Pink--thank you for the pictures! beautiful dogs! I know I like the Classic style APBT's but I think my main confusion is vvvvv (read the first sentence of below comment)

KSims---ohh i see...I think that's where I'm getting confused the most...I know I want an APBT but when I start looking at breeder's websites that say they have APBT's, most of them are all HUGE and look like AmBully's to me, but say they are UKC registered....so i'm having a hard time figuring out who is telling the truth & who is lying. But since you say that many UKC registered APBT's are acutally supposed to be called AmBullies, it makes a little more sense, but also adds to my confusion....I looove the dog in the first pic that I posted, the blue fawn female, & she looks like the kind I want & her website says she is an APBT but others on here say she is an AmBully?!? & off topic...is your name Kenny?? If so, I do believe you are friends with my cousin Shawn. lol

MJJean---thank you, I do plan on visiting shows to watch for show purposes anyways, I will deff have to chat with some of the breeders. & I'm going to try to do more research also but everything on the internet is either complete bull crap or completely confusing! lol

[favwebbb]

If you are confused by the looks of the dog, check out their bloodlines. From there, you can tell if the dog is APBT, AST, or AmBully.

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Just checked out the blue fawn bitch you posted. She is of of Xtremebullys Comet. Which is an American Bully. So, there's your answer to that. She is definitely not an APBT.

[Nzmoafzn]

Sorry...my name isn't "Kenny"...but my Dad goes by that sometimes. We're in the Houston area.
Probably (if you want an APBT) best to stay away from the blue coated dogs...and research the pedigree from the breeder before you buy.

[cestsennY]

And if you decide you want an Am Bully because you like the blue coat, be aware that blue coated dogs have a higher instance of skin issues.

Nothing wrong with an Am Bully, by the way, a lot of people have "classic" Am Bullies that were well bred and are living active healthy lives.

[wmzeto]

Pink--thank you for the pictures! beautiful dogs! I know I like the Classic style APBT's but I think my main confusion is vvvvv (read the first sentence of below comment)

KSims---ohh i see...I think that's where I'm getting confused the most...I know I want an APBT but when I start looking at breeder's websites that say they have APBT's, most of them are all HUGE and look like AmBully's to me, but say they are UKC registered....so i'm having a hard time figuring out who is telling the truth & who is lying. But since you say that many UKC registered APBT's are acutally supposed to be called AmBullies, it makes a little more sense, but also adds to my confusion....I looove the dog in the first pic that I posted, the blue fawn female, & she looks like the kind I want & her website says she is an APBT but others on here say she is an AmBully?!? & off topic...is your name Kenny?? If so, I do believe you are friends with my cousin Shawn. lol

MJJean---thank you, I do plan on visiting shows to watch for show purposes anyways, I will deff have to chat with some of the breeders. & I'm going to try to do more research also but everything on the internet is either complete bull crap or completely confusing! lol

My advice is to stop browsing kennel sites for the time being. You will be hard-pressed to find quality breeders who advertise online, anyway. And you will only confuse yourself further because often time these kennels sites are designed solely to sell puppies- not educate the buyer.

I suggest first becoming familiar with the written standards of each registry: The UKC APBT standard, the ADBA APBT standard, and the AKC AmStaff standard. The standards can be found on each individual registry's website, respectively. This link will also prove helpful, Visual comparison of top winning UKC, AKC and ADBA dogs

The next step is to determine which style of dog best suits your wants and needs. All 3 dogs can obviously be shown in their respective registries, and some registries will even allow dual (And triple) registration. The UKC and AKC offer more in the way of sports, while the ADBA only offers weight pull and conformation.

[Xxedxevh]

Okay.. do you like this look (I'm just Googling these, I have no clue who these dogs are):



or this look:



First dog is an ADBA type APBT.

Second dog is an AKC Ch. AmStaff. The UKC APBT is very similar looking to the AmStaff.

[xpllmr]

Best advice I can give you is get out and go to shows. Many people have already mentioned that. Talk to people see the dogs.

I prefer APBT and more specifically the ADBA style American Pit Bull Terrier. But everyone has their preferences.

There is an ADBA show in the Panhandle of FL Thanksgiving weekend. There you will see ADBA and what a conformation and weightpull is all about.

Check the UKC site to see when the UKC shows are and the same with the AKC, and ABKC.

I will be at the ADBA show in Nov. Let me know if you are comming. Most people at ADBA shows I have been to have been more than willing to talk to people. Great crowd IMO.

And after awhile you would be surprised. I have never had to buy a dog. Networking and meeting people.

When you start to learn about the breeds you will be able to tell the differences on site. Now when it comes to the AKC and UKC because there are SO MANY dual registered Am Staffs in the UKC as American Pit Bull Terriers sometimes the line can be blurred. But with time you can tell the difference.

This is a lifetime commitment do not make a rushed decision. Research first and get out and meet people.

[Zdmlscid]

Pink--thank you for letting me know. I clearly need to stop looking at breeder's sites, it seems to be confusing me more bc they say one thing about their dogs & it's not true...ugh whatever happened to good, honest people?! lol

KSims--oh, sorry, his name is Kenny Sims & he has alot of amstaffs, i didnt even see that you were in Texas, I'm in florida! haha But thank you very for the tip about the skin & all of the other information you've provided!

MJJean--thank you! I do believe I like the "ambully" look better & that is more of what I was looking for, I just thought they were APBT's bc that's what the websites said... thank you for clearing that up!

Iron Chef--yes i definately agree that i should stop looking at breeder's sites, it's only confusing me more! I think i will print out each of the written standards from each registry & do some studying! Also, someone else mentioned that AmBullies have their own registry, which I was aware of....but Since an Amstaff can be registered as an APBT, can an AmBully be registered as either an Amstaff or an APBT???

Kady05--- I prefer the second look, but he looks to Boxer-ish to me...I do not like the look of boxers at all. (no offense to anyone that owns them ) I have discovered that, after being corrected 98623486 times, that I prefer AmBullies...but not the extreme, super short & huge ones that look like they have a problem breathing! lol the more athletic looking ones such as the blue fawn in the first picture. I do love the blue color, I have two APBT's (I THINK!) now and they are both blue & have never had any kind of skin issues but i will deff look into that. Thank you so much!

Cynthia--thank you! I will deff be at the show thanksgiving weekend, I went ahead and took off work for the whole weekend so i could hopefully attend both days I don't particularly like the ADBA APBT style of dog, not for show purposes anyways, I want a more muscular stocky type...like an AmBully...not sure if you read the previous comments to the people ahead of you or not but I figured out that the dogs that were being referred to online as APBT's are actually AmBullies...that's where my confusion was coming from I do believe! Oh, & no worries about making a rushed decision, I've never been an impulse buyer anyways, that's why I'm asking all of these questions, I want to make an educated, informed purchase that will completely fulfill my wants/needs.

[Frierlovene]

You are the greatest "junior member" I've ever seen! That's so cool and I love seeing owners like this!

You should ask for permission to post in the AmBully section as well (if you don't already!), I'm sure the great folks who specialize in the lines there will be most useful :3

[Xxedxevh]

Kady05--- I prefer the second look, but he looks to Boxer-ish to me...I do not like the look of boxers at all. (no offense to anyone that owns them ) I have discovered that, after being corrected 98623486 times, that I prefer AmBullies...but not the extreme, super short & huge ones that look like they have a problem breathing! lol the more athletic looking ones such as the blue fawn in the first picture. I do love the blue color, I have two APBT's (I THINK!) now and they are both blue & have never had any kind of skin issues but i will deff look into that. Thank you so much!

I'm not sure what kind of Boxers you're seeing LOL, I just don't see the huge similarity between this:



and this:



(sorry, that's kind of big)

I don't much like Boxers either, and I own an AmStaff LOL. So I guess that's why I don't get the Boxer reference.

If your current dogs are blue, they aren't likely to be "real" (meaning, ADBA type) APBT's. You can find blue fawn UKC APBT's (Sako, my pup, has 2 siblings that are blue fawn) though, it's actually a really popular color.

[Nzmoafzn]

Also, someone else mentioned that AmBullies have their own registry, which I was aware of....but Since an Amstaff can be registered as an APBT, can an AmBully be registered as either an Amstaff or an APBT???

They aren't supposed to be registered as APBTs or ASTs...BUT...a lot of them ARE. That's why there has been a lot of confusion (not just you). Here's my blue boy "Diesel" at 12 weeks old. UKC registered APBT, but the pedigree has "questionable" dogs in it (Razor's Edge and Gotti) so the concensus is that he is really an Am Bully that should be registered as such...but on paper he's a UKC APBT.

[Zdmlscid]

Prada---aww thank you! I just hope no one sees my questions as ignorant & annoying, I really am trying to learn/understand all of this!

kady05--- lol @ the "not sure what kind of boxers you are seeing" hahaha I meant in the face, in the first group of pictures that you posted, the amstaff has that dark strip under his nose that looks boxer-y to me! lol & my two are like a blue-brindle....here I'll just post a pic of them, bc after all of this confusion i've had, i've been wondering about my two anyways. lol






KSims---oh okay, so if I had a UKC registered APBT, that also was Gotti/RE (exactly the case of the puppy I am considering) could I also register him ABKC without gettin in trouble? I dont want to do anything "illegal" or frowned-upon, I'm a very honest person, it would just give me more shows to practice in once i started showing, that's why I asked. Oh...& he's super cute! I love his little floppy ears!

[favwebbb]

If an American Bully is what you want, I suggest you ask Shon, Vicki, or Cynthia for access the the American Bully section. Lots of good information there.

I believe the ABKC is still doing single registrations. Check out their site.

[Xxedxevh]

Your current dogs look like good old mutts to me, cute ones at that Truthfully, they don't even look all that "Bully" to me, but more pictures would help.

Oh and, this is my AmStaff, Sako, who is AKC & UKC registered.. just for another picture reference:



And yes, you should be able to register a dog with Bully lines with the ABKC. Although I'm not an expert on that registry, so others might chime in and have a more in depth answer. I know some people who get UKC registered dogs that are blatantly AmBullies that toss the UKC papers and register them with the correct registry.

[Zdmlscid]

haha well they are surely not supposed to be mutts but I love them either way Those pics were when they were younger, they do look a good bit more bully now that they have grown up, especially Bella (white face) I probably should've posted a more recent pic...see if this helps or if you still think they're mutts. lol..I took these yesterday....





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Oh & btw---thanks Pink for the tip & info, I will deff send one of them a message

[favwebbb]

Good deal.

[Xxedxevh]

In theory, if they don't have papers, there's really no way to prove that they aren't mutts. I have two mutts, I heart them.

You're right though, they definitely look more Bully in the more recent pictures. I'd just call them Pit Bull mixes if they were mine, unless of course they do have papers.

[Zdmlscid]

Nope, no papers. Well then....I love my mutts The dad had papers but the mom didnt...the dad was seriously the prettiest dog I've ever seen in my life!! I wish I would've took a pic of him. But thank you so much for the info