[naturaherbal]

Just call them American Gamedogs, Russian Gamedogs, Tiawanese Gamedogs, Balkan Gamedogs, English Gamedogs, Irish Gamedogs, etc....

Why cling to the sinking boat, unless your the captain of the sinking ship?

Let the world call them the A.P.B.T. if they so choose, let the show standard stay the same while the dog evolves into a new standard, the last I checked the world is changing as are the animals of this world, why would the A.P.B.T. be any different?

But then again im just an unedumicated Canadian eh, so what would I know about an "American" dog, lol.

My uncle from Texas thought that everything in Texas was bigger, better and more important because it was from Texas, "The core of the mighty U.S.A", after he saw what the Canadians were doing he moved away from what he called "A sad reflection of what used to be a damn good thing". I sure hope you all can look past this NAME that has been put on this BREED and see them for what they truly are. A breed that was started overseas, sent to many nations, perfected in many nations and now an international breed that the world shares.

Wait until you see what comes of this breed when all the people of the world bring the genetics back together into a single pool of cousin strains to produce the future of the breed. I know a few who are on that path and the dogs are exceptional to say the least.

[DoctoBuntonTen]

Terms like pit bull, terrier, retriever, shepard, collie, pointer, flock guardian, setter, etc etc are all describing TYPES.

Many people screw this up in the same manner you have.There are several Terriers,several Shepherds,more than one Collie,Pointer,Setter,etc.

There is only one Pit Bull.

The comparison does not equate.You are comparing well established groups or types to something that is singular.

[HedgeYourBets]

So really the dogs in the "Pit Bull" category are really working dogs.

I wouldn't categorize them as ''working'' dogs. More like ''sporting'' dogs.

[naturaherbal]

Many people screw this up in the same manner you have.There are several Terriers,several Shepherds,more than one Collie,Pointer,Setter,etc.

There is only one Pit Bull.

The comparison does not equate.You are comparing well established groups or types to something that is singular.

I think that if you were better traveled you would find a new Understanding of this shared breed. I understand types, after 40+ years of the same bloodline in my family I myself have found that when I inbreed or linebreed that I DO NOT get a singular type but in fact get 3 types from the bloodline.In the last litter we whelped we had 6 pups 2 of each type looking more like twins than most can say about 2 in any litter they have had, each set looking different than the others and each a set type. Set by the genetics of the line is a genetic standard that will change in time as I refine the bloodline, soon will be 2 types and then 1 type, after that I suppose ill introduce a cousin strain as an outcross and again will see all 3 types but who knows what the future will bring.

Within this breed that we call the A.P.B.T. are many many types of dogs all different and all individual reps of this BREED, a breed with a loose standard in the many aspects which make it OUR breed.

The one standard that few breed for nowadays is lost in the translation of most breeders understanding of the breed, can you name this quality that sets them apart from the several Terriers,several Shepherds,more than one Collie,Pointer,Setter,etc.

I truly hope you can and strive to reproduce what you may have never seen in an attempt to preserve this BREED.

[NewYorkDoctorD]

What I have learned in my research of the breed is that they originally started experimenting mixing bulldogs and terriers to create a dog that was strong and courageous and agile at the same to time to apparently hold down the cattle to be slaughtered. Later on I think they continued breeding in defferent ways to create a blood sports dog not to fight another dog but to fight bulls and cows and other large game. That later was illegalized so they turned to putting them in a pit and having them chase and kill rats and whoever killed the most won. Hence the name PIT bull. After they I guess got bored they bred them to fight eachother. But these dogs were NEVER bred to be human aggressive no matter what you hear they were actually seen as very flawed bloodlines if they were aggressive towards people. Now people don't say that american bulldogs are considered pit bulls. The thing is that many uneducated people THINK that they are. The fact is that the reason why the "bite statistics" for pits is so high because so many different breeds are mistaken for pits. (American bull dogs,Bull terriers, Staffies, Amstaff's, cane corsos, presa canarios, and so many others) look similar because they are muscular with well defined jaw lines and so on. If people would actually get educated and now call every dog they see a "pit bull" then the stats would be no where as high. Hope I answered your question.

[Pipindula]

The one standard that few breed for nowadays is lost in the translation of most breeders understanding of the breed, can you name this quality that sets them apart from the several Terriers,several Shepherds,more than one Collie,Pointer,Setter,etc. Please enlighten us.

[naturaherbal]

Please enlighten us.

Enlighten yourself, if all else fails find jesus...

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What I have learned in my research of the breed is that they originally started experimenting mixing bulldogs and terriers to create a dog that was strong and courageous and agile at the same to time to apparently hold down the cattle to be slaughtered. Later on I think they continued breeding in defferent ways to create a blood sports dog not to fight another dog but to fight bulls and cows and other large game. That later was illegalized so they turned to putting them in a pit and having them chase and kill rats and whoever killed the most won. Hence the name PIT bull. After they I guess got bored they bred them to fight eachother. But these dogs were NEVER bred to be human aggressive no matter what you hear they were actually seen as very flawed bloodlines if they were aggressive towards people. Now people don't say that american bulldogs are considered pit bulls. The thing is that many uneducated people THINK that they are. The fact is that the reason why the "bite statistics" for pits is so high because so many different breeds are mistaken for pits. (American bull dogs,Bull terriers, Staffies, Amstaff's, cane corsos, presa canarios, and so many others) look similar because they are muscular with well defined jaw lines and so on. If people would actually get educated and now call every dog they see a "pit bull" then the stats would be no where as high. Hope I answered your question.

The "bite statistics" for pit bulls is below average.

[SmuffNuSMaxqh]

I'm a little confused about pit bulls. For example: What is a tiger pit? Why do you people catergorize dogs like the American Bulldog a pit bull? I watched Animal Planet's Dogs 101 take on pit bulls, is the info it provides accurate? Was the pit bull breed created and bred for fighting? If the pit bull wasn't bred for fighting, then is the aggressive problems found in the breed a result of bad breeding?

Thank you.

A 'Tiger' pit is a term used by backyard breeders (People who don't know SH*T about pitbulls, and are just in it for the money) to refer to a brindle dog which has more light coloration than dark. This is just a term to make a dog 'special', even though there is nothing special or rare about it, so they can put a higher price on it.

An American Bulldog is in NO WAY categorized as a pitbull-type dog. Some people (HSUS) will categorize the AB, Presa, Dogo, SBT, AST, APBT etc. as pitbull-type dogs. This is just because it's a corrupt organization, who want's to kill your dogs. (Harsh, but true.)

The 101 piece is absolutely retarded. They only showed AST's, and portraied them as being vicious by saying 'they can just SNAP!'. This is absolutely ignorant and untrue. The real APBT (gamedog, ADBA conformation) was bred for bull-baiting and dogfighting. This aggression is directed towards animals, so in NO WAY humans. People were standing in the pits with these dogs and needed to pry them off of eachother. This means they had to be bred to be human friendly in order to make this happen. The pitbull used to be referred to as the 'nanny dog', for being so good with kids and humans. However backyard breeding, breeding for looks not temperement etc. has led to most people believing those mutt cur bred pitmixes are actual pitbulls. They aren't! But the apbt will take the blame for those biting accidents, because apbt has the actual word 'pitbull' in it's breed. AST's, SBT's etc. will all be called pitbull by the media, and therefore the (ignorant) autorities will think most (man)biting accidents are caused by pitbulls even though they aren't.

[SmuffNuSMaxqh]

What I have learned in my research of the breed is that they originally started experimenting mixing bulldogs and terriers to create a dog that was strong and courageous and agile at the same to time to apparently hold down the cattle to be slaughtered. Later on I think they continued breeding in defferent ways to create a blood sports dog not to fight another dog but to fight bulls and cows and other large game. That later was illegalized so they turned to putting them in a pit and having them chase and kill rats and whoever killed the most won. Hence the name PIT bull. After they I guess got bored they bred them to fight eachother. But these dogs were NEVER bred to be human aggressive no matter what you hear they were actually seen as very flawed bloodlines if they were aggressive towards people. Now people don't say that american bulldogs are considered pit bulls. The thing is that many uneducated people THINK that they are. The fact is that the reason why the "bite statistics" for pits is so high because so many different breeds are mistaken for pits. (American bull dogs,Bull terriers, Staffies, Amstaff's, cane corsos, presa canarios, and so many others) look similar because they are muscular with well defined jaw lines and so on. If people would actually get educated and now call every dog they see a "pit bull" then the stats would be no where as high. Hope I answered your question.

Pitbulls were always bred for bull-baiting, and later on dogfighting (when bull-baiting became illegal, and dogfighting was easy to conceal.) Before that time they used to fight dogs in occasional tournaments held by butchers and their dogs, however no blueprint or idea about the pitbull was in existence yet. The pitbull has never chased and kill rats in the pit. Rat terriers have. The apbt gets his name from excelling in the pit as a dogfighting dog. It was named the bull and terrier dog first (even when bull-baiting was still legal), and this change to pit bull terrier after it started to be the ringmaster in the pit.

[naturaherbal]

I think you all have missed the TRUTH.

[HedgeYourBets]

The pitbull has never chased and kill rats in the pit. Rat terriers have.

That's not completely true.

"A celebrated Bull and Terrier named "Billy", weighing approximately 26 pounds, had a proud rat-baiting career crowned on April 22, 1823, when a world record was set with a hundred rats killed in five-and-a-half minute. In his prime and at the time, he was the greatest ratting dog known."



The history of our breed before it was a breed, wasn't completely linear. There was no doubt some over lap in what type of dogs were used for what activities, just as there are now...

[naturaherbal]

That's not completely true.

"A celebrated Bull and Terrier named "Billy", weighing approximately 26 pounds, had a proud rat-baiting career crowned on April 22, 1823, when a world record was set with a hundred rats killed in five-and-a-half minute. In his prime and at the time, he was the greatest ratting dog known."



The history of our breed before it was a breed, wasn't completely linear. There was no doubt some over lap in what type of dogs were used for what activities, just as there are now...

Amen

[Pipindula]

I think you all have missed the TRUTH.

Oh lord help us,here we go again.

[naturaherbal]

Whats this "WE" shit do you have a mouse in your pocket?

[Pipindula]

No,my special friend,There is more than one person on this forum,thus my use of the term "we".

we (w) KEY

PRONOUN:

1. Used by the speaker or writer to indicate the speaker or writer along with another or others as the subject: We made it to the lecture hall on time. We are planning a trip to Arizona this winter.
2. Used to refer to people in general, including the speaker or writer: "How can we enter the professions and yet remain civilized human beings?" (Virginia Woolf).
3. Used instead of I, especially by a writer wishing to reduce or avoid a subjective tone.
4. Used instead of I, especially by an editorialist, in expressing the opinion or point of view of a publication's management.
5. Used instead of I by a sovereign in formal address to refer to himself or herself.
6. Used instead of you in direct address, especially to imply a patronizing camaraderie with the addressee: How are we feeling today?

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No where in that definition is having a rodent in ones pocket mentioned.

[SmuffNuSMaxqh]

That's not completely true.

"A celebrated Bull and Terrier named "Billy", weighing approximately 26 pounds, had a proud rat-baiting career crowned on April 22, 1823, when a world record was set with a hundred rats killed in five-and-a-half minute. In his prime and at the time, he was the greatest ratting dog known."



The history of our breed before it was a breed, wasn't completely linear. There was no doubt some over lap in what type of dogs were used for what activities, just as there are now...

This is when the Pitbull was in it's earliest stages with a dog weighing 26 lbs. Sure. It happened, probably happened a few more times too. There have been Rottweilers (yeah those cur guard dogs.) succesfull in the pit too. Were they ever bred to be fighting dogs? NO! I'm talking about PitbullS not a single Pitbull being succesfull. Hope you catch my drift.

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Amen

Hope you read my last post, since you have a lot to learn.

[DoctoBuntonTen]

I think that if you were better traveled you would find a new Understanding of this shared breed. I understand types, after 40+ years of the same bloodline in my family I myself have found that when I inbreed or linebreed that I DO NOT get a singular type but in fact get 3 types from the bloodline.In the last litter we whelped we had 6 pups 2 of each type looking more like twins than most can say about 2 in any litter they have had, each set looking different than the others and each a set type. Set by the genetics of the line is a genetic standard that will change in time as I refine the bloodline, soon will be 2 types and then 1 type, after that I suppose ill introduce a cousin strain as an outcross and again will see all 3 types but who knows what the future will bring.

Within this breed that we call the A.P.B.T. are many many types of dogs all different and all individual reps of this BREED, a breed with a loose standard in the many aspects which make it OUR breed.

The one standard that few breed for nowadays is lost in the translation of most breeders understanding of the breed, can you name this quality that sets them apart from the several Terriers,several Shepherds,more than one Collie,Pointer,Setter,etc.

I truly hope you can and strive to reproduce what you may have never seen in an attempt to preserve this BREED.

Your rambling has nothing to do with what I typed.Take it at face value,stop reading into it and trying to put your spin on it.

If you haven't already realized it,no one is buying what you're selling around here.

[Blolover11]

I'm a little confused about pit bulls. For example: What is a tiger pit? Why do you people catergorize dogs like the American Bulldog a pit bull? I watched Animal Planet's Dogs 101 take on pit bulls, is the info it provides accurate? Was the pit bull breed created and bred for fighting? If the pit bull wasn't bred for fighting, then is the aggressive problems found in the breed a result of bad breeding?

Thank you.

[Zaxsdcxs]

Check out the history section here, you can get all your answers there.

[Blolover11]

Check out the history section here, you can get all your answers there.

Okay, thank you.

I believe Pit Bulls were bred for fighting, but the guy in the "help" thread I posted in behavior section told me Pit Bulls were created for herding. It has me questioning my belief about the breed's purpose.