[Bwvapays]

Ok so that I myself is more informed what makes an American bully? Where did it come from? Is it what you would call an apbt 10 years ago? I mean I know that bullies are bigger and most are blue and most have gottie, razor edge, watchdog( not to offend anyone just I always been told this blood was bully) but wasn't all these called apbt 10 years ago? Didn't bully come about because people were breeding big blue apbt and then other people were breeding smaller game bred apbt, and so there had to be a way to distinguish the to so call them American bullies?

This is a real thread not meant to bash anyone one and please can y'all not get this shut down by the mods I am generally curious and want to learn about this and I think you people who really know what the deal is can help some other people me for instance learn more and help educate others hell we can change the world lol but serious can we keep this as a real discussion none of the f**k you and your dog stuff please

Thanks for any real info

[Progniusis]

Most Am bullies are blue? Since...when? LOL!

[Qauunet]

Am Bullies are what you get when you mix an AmStaff and a [not APBT] bulldog... and probably some sort of mastiff... Hell, through some lab in there too. Inbreed 10x, and viola, AmBully.

[Bwvapays]

Most Am bullies are blue? Since...when? LOL!

Ok well help me understand then cause again please correct me if I'm wrong but isn't most of people own, the razor edge gotti stuff blue and doesnt everyone say that's a bully isn't that about the most popular I mean I have been to an abkc show and most the dogs that I saw like 85% were big blue dogs that resembled a apbt just bigger

[gIWnXYkw]

JS, they do not look anything remotely similar to an APBT. the history of ambullys is a huge debate, some claim theyre off just am staffs and APBTs, some say theyre off bulldogs and amstaff, some say theyre even mixed with mastiff.

[ephennaCypota]

Ok so that I myself is more informed what makes an American bully? Where did it come from? Is it what you would call an apbt 10 years ago? I mean I know that bullies are bigger and most are blue and most have gottie, razor edge, watchdog( not to offend anyone just I always been told this blood was bully) but wasn't all these called apbt 10 years ago? Didn't bully come about because people were breeding big blue apbt and then other people were breeding smaller game bred apbt, and so there had to be a way to distinguish the to so call them American bullies?

This is a real thread not meant to bash anyone one and please can y'all not get this shut down by the mods I am generally curious and want to learn about this and I think you people who really know what the deal is can help some other people me for instance learn more and help educate others hell we can change the world lol but serious can we keep this as a real discussion none of the f**k you and your dog stuff please



Thanks for any real info

watchdog is a hog catching bloodline. no bully line would ever be used to wild catch hogs.

[T5qYkHWQ]

watchdog is a hog catching bloodline. no bully line would ever be used to wild catch hogs.

what? folks here in east Texas use apbt as catch dogs all the time, as well as several other breeds of dogs....not sure what you are saying here.

[Bwvapays]

JS, they do not look anything remotely similar to an APBT. the history of ambullys is a huge debate, some claim theyre off just am staffs and APBTs, some say theyre off bulldogs and amstaff, some say theyre even mixed with mastiff.

Well see to me they all have some similar traits the amstaff the am. Bully( well at least what I thought was one) and an apbt have similar traits maybe I'm just confused on what dog is what breed maybe someone could post some pics to show the difference I mean I know the bloodlines determine what is what but a comparison would be nice. So if I got a dog that was re/gotti would that be an am. Bully or say I had a watchdog/gotti (again not throwing shots) would that be an am. Bully or then what if you take a game bred dog( honeybunch for example) and breed it with a 75 lbs 25 in head gotti dog would that be a bully then or would that just be a mutt or would it be an apbt just trying to understNd I know I'm a dumbass about this so I'm just trying to understand

[PPActionnGuys]

it would be a mutt

[ephennaCypota]

what? folks here in east Texas use apbt as catch dogs all the time, as well as several other breeds of dogs....not sure what you are saying here.

they can use what they want but watchdog was bred to hold hogs. bigger dog

[Bwvapays]

it would be a mutt

What would be?

[DoctorNiCYDEn]

Ok so that I myself is more informed what makes an American bully? Where did it come from? Is it what you would call an apbt 10 years ago? I mean I know that bullies are bigger and most are blue and most have gottie, razor edge, watchdog( not to offend anyone just I always been told this blood was bully) but wasn't all these called apbt 10 years ago? Didn't bully come about because people were breeding big blue apbt and then other people were breeding smaller game bred apbt, and so there had to be a way to distinguish the to so call them American bullies?

This is a real thread not meant to bash anyone one and please can y'all not get this shut down by the mods I am generally curious and want to learn about this and I think you people who really know what the deal is can help some other people me for instance learn more and help educate others hell we can change the world lol but serious can we keep this as a real discussion none of the f**k you and your dog stuff please

Thanks for any real info

10 years ago they still wasn't an APBT regardless what they were called.They may be registered as such because the registry likes to collect registration fees regardless what the dog looks like.The bullies were bred because someone liked their looks and thought they would sell.

Well see to me they all have some similar traits the amstaff the am. Bully( well at least what I thought was one) and an apbt have similar traits maybe I'm just confused on what dog is what breed maybe someone could post some pics to show the difference I mean I know the bloodlines determine what is what but a comparison would be nice. So if I got a dog that was re/gotti would that be an am. Bully or say I had a watchdog/gotti (again not throwing shots) would that be an am. Bully or then what if you take a game bred dog( honeybunch for example) and breed it with a 75 lbs 25 in head gotti dog would that be a bully then or would that just be a mutt or would it be an apbt just trying to understNd I know I'm a dumbass about this so I'm just trying to understand

Once you breed a APBT with something else it is no longer a full blooded APBT.I've seen people who made breedings like that for whatever reason but I've not figured out why.

[PPActionnGuys]

What would be?

a bully bred to a game bred....mutt

[DoctorNiCYDEn]

What would be?

A gamebred APBT bred to a bully would be a mutt.To me even the bully is a mutt in itself but that's my opinion,I'm sure some here would argue for hours on that one.

[sesIgnose]

Basically, what I understand is that back when bullies first 'came into existence', dave wilson crossed APBTs with AmStaffs in a hope to have a more mellow (as in DA) dog that could still perform, and created the RE bloodline.
Unfortunately, the greedy and small-penised among us figured out how to make a quick buck by selling deformed animals at exorbitant prices. The more extreme the structure, the higher the price, the better the dog.
There has been a shift recently to move back towards the traditional bully. However, the lines have been blurred in such a way through out-crossing with different breeds and extremes that I think it will be quite hard to get back to standard.
For those that don't believe that different breeds have been crossed in, I ask you to rationalize how two 50lb dogs can create a 100lb dog.
Many people do not see the need for bullies, as the apbt can perform any task a bully can, and the culture surrounding this budding breed is not usually shady.
Personally, I don't understand why the breed came about. The AmStaff was already an attempt to move away from the breeds original purpose, to create a heavier boned dog bred for structure instead of performance. Crossing that back to the APBT would defeat this purpose, and not decrease the propensity for DA but increase it.
I do agree that we have to accept the fact that these dogs exist, and pressure breeders of these dogs to prove their dogs worthy of being bred, not just for color or head size, and have correct structure and health. There is nothing more sad, to me, than seeing two bowlegged, short nosed, bad skinned, heavy set dogs produce more of the same.
The animosity held between these two groups, the apbt and bully groups, is that the majority of people do not know the difference. The fact that a large about of bullies are being peddled without regard to temperament is creating a group of dogs with unstable temperaments with a pit bull face. When bites happen, the apbt is blamed. Bully owners, not knowing what they own, and even being convinced that their dog will never be dog aggressive, do not contain them well and their dogs get out and attack the neighbors dog.
Honestly, one of the only good things I can say about the creation of this breed is that people don't know what a real pit bull looks like. This may allow the apbt to crawl back into the darkness and remain true while the world is up in arms over bullies. This is especially true in the show ring, where amstaffs and bullies are much more prevalent than pit bulls being shown as apbts.
This is all my opinion. I don't think the world is ready for bullies, as has been proven, and I personally don't think the breed needed to be created. However, now that it's here, it's best to educate and hope our advice is heeded. I also hope the bully community will realize that they are creating dogs that will never live a healthy, quality life, and get rid of their extreme and pocket sizes, and create a dog with a balanced physical structure. This means that judges need to stop placing dogs that have obvious physical deformities.

[DoctorNiCYDEn]

Basically, what I understand is that back when bullies first 'came into existence', dave wilson crossed APBTs with AmStaffs in a hope to have a more mellow (as in DA) dog that could still perform, and created the RE bloodline.
Unfortunately, the greedy and small-penised among us figured out how to make a quick buck by selling deformed animals at exorbitant prices. The more extreme the structure, the higher the price, the better the dog.
There has been a shift recently to move back towards the traditional bully. However, the lines have been blurred in such a way through out-crossing with different breeds and extremes that I think it will be quite hard to get back to standard.
For those that don't believe that different breeds have been crossed in, I ask you to rationalize how two 50lb dogs can create a 100lb dog.
Many people do not see the need for bullies, as the apbt can perform any task a bully can, and the culture surrounding this budding breed is not usually shady.
Personally, I don't understand why the breed came about. The AmStaff was already an attempt to move away from the breeds original purpose, to create a heavier boned dog bred for structure instead of performance. Crossing that back to the APBT would defeat this purpose, and not decrease the propensity for DA but increase it.
I do agree that we have to accept the fact that these dogs exist, and pressure breeders of these dogs to prove their dogs worthy of being bred, not just for color or head size, and have correct structure and health. There is nothing more sad, to me, than seeing two bowlegged, short nosed, bad skinned, heavy set dogs produce more of the same.
The animosity held between these two groups, the apbt and bully groups, is that the majority of people do not know the difference. The fact that a large about of bullies are being peddled without regard to temperament is creating a group of dogs with unstable temperaments with a pit bull face. When bites happen, the apbt is blamed. Bully owners, not knowing what they own, and even being convinced that their dog will never be dog aggressive, do not contain them well and their dogs get out and attack the neighbors dog.
Honestly, one of the only good things I can say about the creation of this breed is that people don't know what a real pit bull looks like. This may allow the apbt to crawl back into the darkness and remain true while the world is up in arms over bullies. This is especially true in the show ring, where amstaffs and bullies are much more prevalent than pit bulls being shown as apbts.
This is all my opinion. I don't think the world is ready for bullies, as has been proven, and I personally don't think the breed needed to be created. However, now that it's here, it's best to educate and hope our advice is heeded. I also hope the bully community will realize that they are creating dogs that will never live a healthy, quality life, and get rid of their extreme and pocket sizes, and create a dog with a balanced physical structure. This means that judges need to stop placing dogs that have obvious physical deformities.

Good post,that should just about sum it up.

[EzequielTMann]

watchdog is a hog catching bloodline. no bully line would ever be used to wild catch hogs.

NOT TRUE!

Although it seems you are saying they are american bullies though.

[Bwvapays]

Thanks LL that's makes alot more sense now so to add another question why don't the registries step up and fix this well at least help I know there would still be byb who don't know what they have but still if the registries all called and registered them correctly wouldn't that solve alot of the problem with public perception

[sesIgnose]

Thanks LL that's makes alot more sense now so to add another question why don't the registries step up and fix this well at least help I know there would still be byb who don't know what they have but still if the registries all called and registered them correctly wouldn't that solve alot of the problem with public perception

Money. More registered dogs, more money.

[ephennaCypota]

NOT TRUE!

Although it seems you are saying they are american bullies though.

no pretty lil pinscher show dog pit could hold a wild hog.