[Meowmeowz]

I have a had time dealing with this-yet I feel I need to somehow try to deal with it.. I think in part bc I've always been such a huge animal lover no matter what the breed might be.

Couple weeks ago I & my Fiance' was up visiting my cousin that also has a Pit named Hedi along with 2 of the cutest mutts ever ( Baby part german shep/something else- while Daisey part pit/boxer mix) Daisey was one of the sweetest dogs I have ever had the chance to encounter.

I have always been leary of Hedi- she is nothing like my own with her behavior..

The evening was going smooth, all the dogs were outside, next thing you hear is this aweful crying (thinking about it makes me emotional ) next thing you know Hedi has ahold of Daisey to which she will not let go, I grab the broom (since I had no ideal if my cousin had a "Break Stick) what seemed like forver and a day she finally was able to get Hedi off of Daisey-which Daisey came running into the house to hide (can't blame her at all) in the process my cousin brings Hedi in to which her mouth is covered in BLOOD ... My couisn than is about to let Hedi go in the house , granted I in the process yell NOOOO put her in her crate or she will go after Daisey again... which Hedi went into it...

To say the least there was a bone that one found in the backyard.. I guess that is what caused the whole fight.. not sure since none of us seen what actually happened...The whole time I was thinking and even asked her you allow them all to be outside together at one time without watching them...and she was like yeah...

2days later Daisey did not make it.. I feel horrible even tho I know I done nothing wrong.. But the whole time this was going on I looked at my Fiance' to only say ...if this was our boy I would shoot him... don't get me wrong I love Trooper to the moon and back yet I also know I could not allow him to attack another dog like that.. unless he was defending his-self

At the end of it all.. I no longer look at Hedi the same the visions of her coming in with all that blood in her mouth , the attack mode, the crying of Daisey... a horrible experince...

My cousin still has Hedi, to which she also has a little boy that is about 6 which I told her she needs to keep an eye on her son..

As a owner of the breed I know not are the same.. and its very important that you socialize them..

I'm still at a lost for words... I guess I'm wondering what others think and feel about this topic...

~Rest In Peace Miss Daisey~

[Konidurase]

First, I'm sorry for your loss.

Secondly, this is tragic but avoidable. Dogs should not be left unsupervised together. i don't care what breed they are, especially bullies. Dogs are dogs. They don't reason.

Also, I would never put a dog down for getting into a fight. They are dogs. That's what they do.

[Meowmeowz]

First, I'm sorry for your loss.

Secondly, this is tragic but avoidable. Dogs should not be left unsupervised together. i don't care what breed they are, especially bullies. Dogs are dogs. They don't reason.

Also, I would never put a dog down for getting into a fight. They are dogs. That's what they do.

Thanks Mike- she wasnt mine tho.. she was just super sweet... and I do agree with you on not leaving them unsupervised together.. They haven't really worked with Hedi alot on alot of things, she always growls and is in attack mode.. Which I'm not use to that at all with the 2 I have..

[bmwservis]

Your cousin learned a hard lesson at the cost of her dog. I'm sorry for her loss, but she has no one to blame but herself. Dogs are dogs, they will scuffle. If she had done her homework she'd know that bully type dogs especially, but even dogs in general, should not be left alone. Even if she chooses to let her dogs go on in a pack as they are, hopefully from observing you can see what NOT to do. I'm assuming your dog is Trooper? Remember too that DA is natural - not a reason to euthanize him if he were ever to get into a fight. You're responsible to make sure that never happens.

RIP Daisy

[18holesin]

Simply amazing. So you've been a member of this site for almost a year, yet you would shoot your dog for getting into it with another dog!!! This is the exact kind of mentality why people who love and care about the breed say it's not for everybody. I mean seriously, you say you know what mistake your sister made, (letting all dogs out unsupervised), you say you think you even know what caused the fight, (a bone in the yard, which I agree probably was the cause), yet you would shoot your dog if it was him and you no longer look at her dog the same. WTF do you own one of these dogs for then?

Owning an APBT or APBT cross comes with a level of responsibility and understanding of the breed MOST people just aren't willing to put in. Oh yeah they are fine and dandy as long as everything goes fine. The day they finally realize they have to step up their level of responsibility all of a sudden it's time to put the dogs down.

This dog did nothing wrong, and just so you know it doesn't matter what breed of dog it is, any 2 dogs more than likely would have fought over that bone. Hell you don't even know that the other one didn't start it and the pit bull didn't defend itself, yet here you are condemning the pit bull. Honestly you're as bad as any other uneducated person on the breed who doesn't know jack or the damn news media who perpetuates myths and hysteria about the breed. Makes me want to vomit. Haven't you learned anything here in 10 months?

Your tainted view is a load of shit and there is no reason the dog should pay for your ignorance.

[janeseymore09092]

What is this... I don't even...



Folks like this ("Well-intentioned" but wrong) do far more damage to the breed than every Michael Vick-wannabe combined. So, thanks OP. We really appreciate it.

[Kragh]

an apbt should not be put down for doing what is in the nature of the dog to do.... and being DA is no where near the same as being HA....
the dog here is not the one with the problem, it is the owner...this is not the type of dog for them to have....
if DA bothers you, do not own an apbt... period....

[ZanazaKar]

My cousin still has Hedi, to which she also has a little boy that is about 6 which I told her she needs to keep an eye on her son..

you have been here almost a year...and you do not know DA and HA are completely different.....A DA dog does not need to be HA...to say she has to watch her son says you have not been reading and doing research or anything for this year that you have been here...I am sorry that your sister had to learn a hard lesson but to say that the dog is going to turn on her son is pretty ignorant and stereotypical....yea she needs to watch her son as in "NO dog should EVER be left alone with a child" but that is not because the dog has attacked another dog...that is for both dog and child's protection...

[casinobonusa]

Too bad about Daisy it was avoidable. Ironchef that cartoon is awesome anyway you could send it to me? DA is natural and is no reason to put a dog down, maybe a reason to own another breed but not to put one down. Sorry you had to witness that. I always say that all dogs will fight but none are willing to take it to the level of a pit bull. Keep socializing AND KEEP WATCH. Its ALWAYS necessary to watch kids with dogs no matter the breed. 100% agree that DA doesn't = HA.

[royarnekara]

I am sorry for the dog who was lost and even sorrier for the dog who lived and is being seen differently and probably treated diferently yet has no idea why. The dog was doing what is in its nature to do and shouldn't be faulted unless it directs aggression to humans.

There was a bit in a stand up comic act about the Sigfried and Roy incident. Something like " They said the tiger went mad. No, that tiger went tiger!" Same thing with the dog. It didn't go mad, it went dog.

[provigil]

This one? One of my favorite stand up sets of all time...being into exotics and not understanding how people can NOT understand that they're WILD ANIMALS.

[royarnekara]

Nope, this one

Its funny, but a good lesson for anyone dealing with animals. They are animals. They have drives and instincts and we should always keep that in mind and not penalize them for being what nature and man, in the case of Pit Bulls, designed them to be.

[provigil]

Ha! Now my second fav stand up set!

[giftbestcom]

Wow. Just wow. The dog "went mad??" What?? The dog was just being true to breed type. If a beagle chased & killed a rabbit, would have went mad? if a coohound chased & killed a coon, would it have went mad?? If a terrier chased & killed a rat, would it have went mad?? This is truly insanity.

I am sorry for the dog lost, but no one was isanse save for your cousin. Heidi did what pit bulls were genetically programmed to do for centuries. This genetic predisposiotion no longer fits in with our "genteel" lifestyles, but it is not the fault of the dog, but rather the fault of the owner.

And to say you'd euth a dog for displaying it's genetic characteristics - THAT is madness. If this is truly the way you feel, with all due respect, Trooper should find a new home with someone who truly understands & respects the breed.

In closing, I must ask, after this incident why did you tellyour cousin to watch her son?? What kind of bearing does it have in the death your cousin caused?

RIP Daisey.

Blessings ...

[skupaemauto]

Yeah, I would totally put down my brother's beagle if she killed his pet rabbit as well. LOL.

The dog didn't go "mad". The dog did what it's instincts and genes told it to do. It's body told it was it was bred for. Only one at fault, is your cousin for not supervising the dogs while they played.

[BodeOmissemia]

First, I'm sorry for your loss.

Secondly, this is tragic but avoidable. Dogs should not be left unsupervised together. i don't care what breed they are, especially bullies. Dogs are dogs. They don't reason.

Also, I would never put a dog down for getting into a fight. They are dogs. That's what they do.

I agree 100% with the above post.I do want to add about human aggression and dog aggression being 2 differant things.Why are you afraid about her son interacting with Hedi? Has hedi showed any signs of HA,or just DA?

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Wow. Just wow. The dog "went mad??" What?? The dog was just being true to breed type. If a beagle chased & killed a rabbit, would have went mad? if a coohound chased & killed a coon, would it have went mad?? If a terrier chased & killed a rat, would it have went mad?? This is truly insanity.

I am sorry for the dog lost, but no one was isanse save for your cousin. Heidi did what pit bulls were genetically programmed to do for centuries. This genetic predisposiotion no longer fits in with our "genteel" lifestyles, but it is not the fault of the dog, but rather the fault of the owner.

And to say you'd euth a dog for displaying it's genetic characteristics - THAT is madness. If this is truly the way you feel, with all due respect, Trooper should find a new home with someone who truly understands & respects the breed.

In closing, I must ask, after this incident why did you tellyour cousin to watch her son?? What kind of bearing does it have in the death your cousin caused?

RIP Daisey.

Blessings ...

I wondered the same thing? DA is a totally differant behaviour than HA.Many dogs by breed type are naturally DA(pit bulls being one of many),but would not even think to harm a human!

---------- Post added at 11:56 AM ---------- Previous post was at 11:52 AM ----------

I am sorry for the loss of Daisy.Sadly pit bull type dogs are one of the breed types that lean toward dog/dog aggression. Though I should note that any dog of any breed can get into a 'fight' and harm/kill another dog under the right circumstances,some breeds just have a higher tendancy to get into a fight.

[Meowmeowz]

Okay first of all- No-one knew there was a bone in the yard-its not my house , nor my yard, so therefore I will not do random checks to see what lingers.

Second off yes if that wouldve been Trooper I would have put him down at that current moment, considering when Hedi was in attack mode she would not release. in order to save the other dog which was part pit. It has nothing to do with not knowing this breed, I have done my research just like many of you all.

Another thing Trooper has a damn good home, hell to be honest he has it made better than most humans- so dont preach to me telling that I need to find my boy a new home. Since I do not agree with what took place that day.

I was raised around this breed, and not once have I ever encounted this where it got out of hand-another thing with Hedi being Pit has nothing to do with how I feel she couldve been a freakin ankle biter and I would still feel the same.

As for telling my cousin not my sister to watch her son, yes she does need to watch him-after any dog of any breed has done that-you do not leave your child alone with them period. ( My thoughts)

Another thing Hedi does direct aggression towards humans. So how the hell is that in the wrong of me to tell her to watch her son???? I think its more of a concern for her childs well being.

And yes it is the owners fault-but some owners its seems dont think it could happen to them. I told her was she sure about allowing them all to be outside at the same time.. and looked what happened.

But you all do what most of you all do best , as I have sit and watched most attack me for my own thoughts and view on this-its perfectly. I was there I know how the dog is-before this even took place.

[skupaemauto]

I have had yard accidents, and my fiance has gotten mad, but then you just remember they are dogs, and it's going to happen. I have had to use my break stick to get them apart. I didn't think "oh I am so scared of this dog now" or "I am going to put this dog down." I thought I need to step up my own supervision on hardware and do a better job of making sure they can't get loose, because my dogs weren't in the wrong.

If the dog does direct aggression toward humans, then forget watching the kid around her. Just tell your sister put the dog down (not for the attack on the other dog, but to avoid an attack on a human).

Whether a dog has attacked another animal or not, a child should be supervised with a dog.

[TodeImmabbedo]

What is this... I don't even...



Folks like this ("Well-intentioned" but wrong) do far more damage to the breed than every Michael Vick-wannabe combined. So, thanks OP. We really appreciate it.

I need that video! I agree with Boogie, Iron, Obed, and others...I would never put a pit/pit mix down for dog aggression (unless it was in a shelter and the DA was strong, makes them nearly impossible to adopt and they usually degrade before they are and suffer in a cage). If you would, you probably shouldnt own one. Irie has defended herself during an attack and I would NEVER dream of PTS. If she redirected on me thats another story but that wasnt the case.

[ArrereGarhync]

"Consider when Hedi was in attack mode, she would not release?"!!!???
You would put your dog down for that? Great Scott! That is what this Breed is best known for ! Bite and HOLD!