[scewLacysmazy]

The next person that tries to tell me that there are 'no bad dogs,only bad owners' might get a smack in the mouth. Maybe, IF I don't see any cops. There are most definitely bad,mean ass dogs out there that got that way all on their own and they will bite your face off if they can reach it. The ones that can't just go for the ankles and it still hurts. I hate rodents.

[asivisepo]

What about 'it's all about how they are raised'. That's my personal favorite that makes my blood boil. People are idiots

[hygtfrdes]

"all it takes is love" Grrrrrrrrr....

[scewLacysmazy]

What about 'it's all about how they are raised'. That's my personal favorite that makes my blood boil. People are idiots

Yeah, thats another one. How about people who go out and get a dog, any breed, just pick one, then go to the pet store and buy a 'feel good' book all about their new 'special breed' and by the next morning become dog experts. They just get on my nerves. Two smacks in the mouth.

[asivisepo]

Yeah, thats another one. How about people who go out and get a dog, any breed, just pick one, then go to the pet store and buy a 'feel good' book all about their new 'special breed' and by the next morning become dog experts. They just get on my nerves. Two smacks in the mouth.

haha oh but they are! They read the whole book and of course nothing in a book could be a lie!! I'd like to kick people like that (I prefer kicking over smacking but that's me )

[BrodiKennedy]

Hmm i was always told it's how you raise them.I personally believe this to be true but I know it's also based on how the dog was bred and the dogs gentics

[M1iFiNmC]

It all comes down to where you want to lay responsibility. If you are happy to blame a dog for your own failings, then so be it. The fact is no dog will ever cause a problem if it is securely contained and managed, no matter how "mean" you think it is. Since dogs are not responsible for their management, it sounds a lot to me like a bad owner issue.

[BrodiKennedy]

It all comes down to where you want to lay responsibility. If you are happy to blame a dog for your own failings, then so be it. The fact is no dog will ever cause a problem if it is securely contained and managed, no matter how "mean" you think it is. Since dogs are not responsible for their management, it sounds a lot to me like a bad owner issue.

I kind of disagree with this.if you have a game dog that is da,who would you blame?it wouldn't be the dogs fault because that was something he was bred to do.it could be the breeders fault for breedig da dogs but yet again who bought the dog?

[KRbGA0Bg]

your right southern it is the owners to cop full blame of their gamebred dogs actions.

they dont need other doggies as friends a few people are more than enough for a bulldog and some people just dont understand nor do they try to grasp it.

but it wouldnt be the breeders fault, for being da is part of the game dogs trait, they dont have to be fight crazy , i dont care if my dogs are da or even fight crazy around any other dogs, once they show that side they dontsee other dogs or get within reach of one until they die unless its one of my others they may get along with but even then its fully supervised.

call me stupid but in my experience those dogs have been my best companions and suit my needs completely i couldnt ask for more.

[M4tHkBw2]

Then I guess it depends on what you consider a mean dog. I don't consider a DA dog mean....

[BrodiKennedy]

Junkyard thank you for agreeing with me and I know.da is also a trait that is dominate in all apbts.well all true ones anyway..they were bred to be excellent fighting dogs therefore they had to be da.there's no one to blame in the example I used above.it's simpley what the dog was bred to do.game dogs are da because apbts were bred to fight.i'll blame the stupid owner before I blame the dog.the dog can help what it's bred to do.

[finnmontserrat]

hmm Well i don't think a dog can make the active choice to be a 'bad dog' i think the breeders of a 'bad dog' are to blame, and perhaps the owners (depending on the situation).I feel bad for these 'bad dogs' i don't see them as happy animals at all. The animal can't help itself it's understanding only goes so far. I feel bad for them and someone needs to put those 'bad dogs' out of their misery...When i say bad dog i am referring to human aggressive dogs. But breed also comes into play a level of HA is acceptable among a number of 'guardian breeds'

[scewLacysmazy]

It all comes down to where you want to lay responsibility. If you are happy to blame a dog for your own failings, then so be it. The fact is no dog will ever cause a problem if it is securely contained and managed, no matter how "mean" you think it is. Since dogs are not responsible for their management, it sounds a lot to me like a bad owner issue.

Its got nothing to do with responsibility at all. I wasn't refering to any dog in particular. And the fact that no dog will ever be a problem if it is contained and managed. Thats beside the point also. The only point I was trying to make is that there are dogs (of any breed) that are born fucked up in the head. Why is it so hard to believe that a dogs brain can have crossed wires at birth? It happens in people, it happens in dogs. I have one question for you Skippy, YES or NO answer please. Is it possible for a dog to be born mentally defective?

[Unakjyfk]

but it wouldnt be the breeders fault, for being da is part of the game dogs trait, they dont have to be fight crazy

Not always, there have been plenty of game dogs that weren't DA as long as they were left alone. They simply didn't give a damn about the other dog until there was a reason to.

[qd0vhq4f]

depends on how you look at it,

sure the dog might be mean, but the owners decided to keep it instead of euthing!

sure the dog bit somebody in its back yard, but the owner let somebody back there!

sure it bit the owners kids, but the owner decided to keep that dog there where his children live!

sure it got loose and mauled the group of kids & the daschound down the street, but again the owner didnt keep that known manbiter contained!



so really, who's worse?....the dog? or the owners?

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Not always, there have been plenty of game dogs that weren't DA as long as they were left alone. They simply didn't give a damn about the other dog until there was a reason to.

your speaking of the minority of gamedogs lol

more often than not, that aint the case.


although they are out there!

[mikelangr]

My Doctor has me on meds so I do not smack people as much now.
I agree that humans are at fault for all issues with dogs from not being properly contained, poor breeding and failing to cull unstable dogs this list could go on so ultimately it is bad owners but I understand and agree with the OP you can not save every dog no matter who you are not even the dog whisperer

[M1iFiNmC]

Sometimes when people lay the blame on the owners, they strike a nerve. The truth can hurt.

[CializCialiscsqw]

Hmm i was always told it's how you raise them.I personally believe this to be true but I know it's also based on how the dog was bred and the dogs gentics

I do beleive the above to be true.It does lie,in part on ''how you raise them'' but genetics DO play a role as well.Back to the ''nature vs nurture'' theory.I allways felt is was BOTH that makes who you are(dogs included)

[Virosponna]

I very much believe it is 95% a case of nature and nurture.

Do I believe there are genetically unsound dogs beyond help? Of course I do. I also believe there are genetically unsound people beyond help. It happens. But it is quite rare. It is definitly not the norm.

I think sometimes when people say "it's all in how you raise them" or "there are no bad dogs there are only bad owners"...we get all wound up somehow assuming that they are not aware of the 5% (or less) outliers...when it would make just as much sense to assume they are referring to the 95% majority...in which case...there is actually imo quite a bit of accuracy to the statements.

A reasonably stable, well trained dog will act appropriate in public and elsewhere. Well trained dogs generally do not get that way on their own or through osmosis...people have to actually take the time to teach them and interact with them on a regular basis.

I think those 2 phrases oftentimes are ways of communicating compliments to owners of well trained dogs that..."hey, you're doing a good job. I acknowledge the time and effort you are putting into your dog's care and well being".

I really don't think they are referring to the presence of DA; but maybe perhaps to the dog being given opportunity to act on the DA. I have met plenty of non-bully breed owners who freely talk about other breeds being just as DA as pit bulls. Yes, other breeds lack the ability to do as much damage if they got to act on it and maybe they're not game so they'd quit; but the propensity and desire is still there. "There are no bad dogs" can simply mean "good owners manage their dogs and do not provide the dog an opportunity to act on their nature/desire when it will cause harm elsewhere". Ergo pit bull eats a poodle at the dog park...who's fault is it? I would go with the owner; shame on you if you don't know what your own dog has the capacity to do in a certain situation...and yet you knowlingly brought your dog there.

In terms of HA, I think the media has portrayed bully breeds to be these out of control HA killing machines. Thus when someone unfamiliar with the breed meets one they are quite underwhelmed. Instead of a mythical canine monster, they are confronted with ...just a boring old dog. Which can prompt the comment of "Good dogs/bad owners; all in how you raise them"; as they struggle to make sense of the dichotomy between what they are seeing before them and all those snarling faces they saw on the cover of magazines. And frankly in my opinion; many, many instances of news stories related to HA are not imo genuine HA at all...they are unfortunate instances involving untrained, undersocialized, dogs that owners have failed to properly supervise and contain...so yeah - in these instances which I feel make up the majority...not bad dogs at all...shitty owners.

In short; yes there are stupid people (and also stupid dogs btw); but in general, I think we allow ourselves to get too wound up and read too much into what we think people are saying when they use these shorthand ways of communicating, "Hey good work; you're a responsible owner" or "hey dumbass control your dog or go home".

[pharmacologist30]

I had a little bitch that was totally nuts. He dad jumpee through a plate glass window and ripped his face apart just to attack p down the street. His dad was PTS for biting the guy that owned him. AND THEY WERE STILL BRED!! Why? Cause they were winning in the []. This bitch was only 6 months when I got her and wasn't real bad till after she hit a year and would try everything to get to ya. She got euthed and I never bought a dog from that particular breeder again. So I believe if the people are breeding for it u gonna get crazy dogs.