LOL papers don't mean shit. Let's be honest, what is a pitbull, or more specifically, an apbt? An apbt is a dog that displays gameness first and foremost. Most of these "papered" dogs are ADBA, UKC, and AKC showdogs. Now not making any assumptions or speculations here, but I doubt any of them have been tested for gameness. Furthermore, I doubt most of these showdogs, ADBA included, can be used for the breed's original purposes (animal baiting and catchwork.) Now you can go to New Jersey, Florida, Louisiana, etc. and find hog doggers that run apbts descended from some of the most known and reputable lines out there. My dad's friend in Jersey is a hog hunter and his pack descends from dogs directly off of Bert Sorrell's. They are pure, however, he never registered them. Most hog hunters with apbt catchdogs that are pure don't bother registering them since it is just a waist of money to them. They just breed for working ability. One of his top catchdogs and stud is a 53# dog that caught a 400+ lb. monster himself. Also the dog almost came close to death and if the hit was 1/2 an inch closer from the cut collar, that dog would be dead. He kept on going strong despite the broken ribs and was cut up badly. That dog isn't papered, but is pure sorrell's blood. Now you tell me, which is a true apbt, this unpapered catchdog, or the papered champion weightpull/ conformation dogs? Remember, the dog makes the papers.

with a statement like that I have to assume your part of the problem. http://www.pitbull-chat.com/images/smilies/confused.png

actually, it is the other way around. Poorly bred bullies and BYBs have successfully caused the general public to believe that pure bred apbts are 90#+ and either 15 inches withers or 24 inches+ at the withers. Everyone that sees a true apbt now believes its mixed. Good job guys. If bully breeders were to call them ambullies, then the public's misconceptions would go away.

I couldn't agree more!

Most people here do not own an APBT so..
 

As I read a post about Florida's movement against APBT I thought that most here do not own APBTs because they do not have papers, are mutts, etc...but in this case then why not agree with BSL? Hell, in that case if papers are the only way of knowing I have never met an APBT and looked at papers? For all I know APBT ARE aggressive, violent creatures.

Further, why should I fight for a breed if my dog is discriminated against by many in the community? Isnt that the same thing the media is doing? Taking what they agree with and ignoring the rest?

you have me confused girl... I am not snapping to what you are getting at....
papers do not mean a damn thing to most folks who are for BSL, if it LOOKS like what they think an APBT is, then, to them it IS an apbt...
so not sure what you are saying.. and I hate to make fun of you when I am not sure what it is I am making fun of...http://www.pitbull-chat.com/images/smilies/lol.gif

Because BSL standards of a pit bull have nothing to do papers. They can call a Chihuahua a pit mix if they want it dead

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O and its all due to government control good ole liberalism (socialism) at its finest.

Sorry I meant the community meaning the "pitbull" community. Meaning people who say that is not a pitbull *finger shake* because there are no papers, it is a mutt. Those who demand I dont call my dog a pitbull because that term only refers to the APBT, but at the same time the UKC refers to several breeds as pitbulls, it seems like an easy way of dividing the community if you ask me

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Obed, feel free to edit my posting- its pre-coffee hour http://www.pitbull-chat.com/images/smilies/lol.gif

since when did you start caring what other folks think?
I will call my dog a giant egyptian chi if I want to....

bostonitis, you went full retard, you never go full retard...

Some people demand you don't call your pitbull and mixes APBT's.

http://www.pitbull-chat.com/images/smilies/lol.gif I shouldnt be allowed to post without coffee AND sick... http://www.pitbull-chat.com/images/smilies/corner.gif Feel free to publicly shame me http://www.pitbull-chat.com/images/smilies/lol.gif

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I dont, just trying to start a discussion, this board feels dead. Then again, I havent been checking much lately.

It's all in good laugh http://www.pitbull-chat.com/images/smilies/lol.gif

For me, it is about having a dog that is not a pit bull (I mean there could be one in her woodpile somewhere) but every time I take her somewhere someone asks if she is a pit bull. Her documentation all says "Boxer mix" but she fits the criteria of a pit bull and if someone wanted her gone, then I'd be screwed.

I also will be damned if I have to put a muzzle on her just because some asshole down the street can't be bothered to keep her stupid poodle dog on a leash or keep their cat contained.

If the BSL said "APBT" then maybe I wouldn't be so concerned, but it doesn't. It is a generic "pit bull" and based on all that generic description, my dog falls into a category that may have restrictions unfairly placed on them.

I just don't get why they would add more rules when they aren't enforcing the ones that already exist - specifically the leash law. Now you are making up a whole new group of lawbreakers when government in FL (especially our county) needs to have less issues to worry about since there is barely money to cover minimal services.

People that are pushing BSL don't really care what kind of dog it is, as long as it's in the general "looks" department of a "pit bull", they want it banned... which includes a vast array of pure bred dogs as well as mixed breeds that have no APBT blood in them at all.

Does anyone remember the bill back in 2004/2005 that Georgia legislators were trying to pass? Banning all "Pit Bulls." H78 defined "pit bulls" as American Pit Bull Terriers, American Staffordshire Terriers, Staffordshire Bull Terriers, or any dogs displaying characteristics of those breeds.

I think in 2005 the bill died, but it's technically...still out there. They don't care what "papers" say. If it looks like a Pit Bull, they're banning it. Same thing in counties that ban Pit Bulls now. People have tried passing dogs off as "Boxer mixes," etc. that they got from shelters, but if it looks like a Pit Bull, they're calling it a Pit Bull.

reposting this quote, because it deserves to be repeated.

Yep. And let's not close our eyes and plug our ears while singing LALALALALALA and instead remember why B.S.L. is being enacted in the first place: IRRESPONSIBLE 'PIT BULL' OWNERS.
No one else brought B.S.L. upon us. 'Pit bulll' owners brought B.S.L. upon 'pit bull' owners.

Now it's time to govern ourselves and remove the dogs from the hands of those who do not need them and/or are the ones responsible for this entire mess in the first place.
Or tomorrow none of us will own these dogs.

Give it up to pit bulls for giving bollys a bad bame.