[Berta]

As I read a post about Florida's movement against APBT I thought that most here do not own APBTs because they do not have papers, are mutts, etc...but in this case then why not agree with BSL? Hell, in that case if papers are the only way of knowing I have never met an APBT and looked at papers? For all I know APBT ARE aggressive, violent creatures.

Further, why should I fight for a breed if my dog is discriminated against by many in the community? Isnt that the same thing the media is doing? Taking what they agree with and ignoring the rest?

[ebBPxIai]

you have me confused girl... I am not snapping to what you are getting at....
papers do not mean a damn thing to most folks who are for BSL, if it LOOKS like what they think an APBT is, then, to them it IS an apbt...
so not sure what you are saying.. and I hate to make fun of you when I am not sure what it is I am making fun of...

[casinobonbone]

Because BSL standards of a pit bull have nothing to do papers. They can call a Chihuahua a pit mix if they want it dead

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O and its all due to government control good ole liberalism (socialism) at its finest.

[Berta]

you have me confused girl... I am not snapping to what you are getting at....
papers do not mean a damn thing to most folks who are for BSL, if it LOOKS like what they think an APBT is, then, to them it IS an apbt...
so not sure what you are saying.. and I hate to make fun of you when I am not sure what it is I am making fun of...

Sorry I meant the community meaning the "pitbull" community. Meaning people who say that is not a pitbull *finger shake* because there are no papers, it is a mutt. Those who demand I dont call my dog a pitbull because that term only refers to the APBT, but at the same time the UKC refers to several breeds as pitbulls, it seems like an easy way of dividing the community if you ask me

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Obed, feel free to edit my posting- its pre-coffee hour

[ValintinoV]

My fight against BSL is not even really about a single breed per say. It is about my right to own a dog period. I don't see why or how the government should have any choice in the matter. If they pass BSL in Florida it will just fuel the fire to move on to MSN, anti teathering and whatever the hell else they feel like doing.

For me it is also a fight for my basic rights, without gov influence, as long as my dogs are kept within the animal welfare laws they should have no say.

[ebBPxIai]

Sorry I meant the community meaning the "pitbull" community. Meaning people who say that is not a pitbull *finger shake* because there are no papers, it is a mutt. Those who demand I dont call my dog a pitbull because that term only refers to the APBT, but at the same time the UKC refers to several breeds as pitbulls, it seems like an easy way of dividing the community if you ask me

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Obed, feel free to edit my posting- its pre-coffee hour

since when did you start caring what other folks think?
I will call my dog a giant egyptian chi if I want to....

[Abaronos]

bostonitis, you went full retard, you never go full retard...

[Queueftof]

Those who demand I dont call my dog a pitbull because that term only refers to the APBT

Some people demand you don't call your pitbull and mixes APBT's.

[Berta]

bostonitis, you went full retard, you never go full retard...

I shouldnt be allowed to post without coffee AND sick... Feel free to publicly shame me

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since when did you start caring what other folks think?
I will call my dog a giant egyptian chi if I want to....

I dont, just trying to start a discussion, this board feels dead. Then again, I havent been checking much lately.

[Abaronos]

I shouldnt be allowed to post without coffee AND sick... Feel free to publicly shame me

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I dont, just trying to start a discussion, this board feels dead. Then again, I havent been checking much lately.

It's all in good laugh

[WebDocMan]

For me, it is about having a dog that is not a pit bull (I mean there could be one in her woodpile somewhere) but every time I take her somewhere someone asks if she is a pit bull. Her documentation all says "Boxer mix" but she fits the criteria of a pit bull and if someone wanted her gone, then I'd be screwed.

I also will be damned if I have to put a muzzle on her just because some asshole down the street can't be bothered to keep her stupid poodle dog on a leash or keep their cat contained.

If the BSL said "APBT" then maybe I wouldn't be so concerned, but it doesn't. It is a generic "pit bull" and based on all that generic description, my dog falls into a category that may have restrictions unfairly placed on them.

I just don't get why they would add more rules when they aren't enforcing the ones that already exist - specifically the leash law. Now you are making up a whole new group of lawbreakers when government in FL (especially our county) needs to have less issues to worry about since there is barely money to cover minimal services.

[cQT6nmEc]

People that are pushing BSL don't really care what kind of dog it is, as long as it's in the general "looks" department of a "pit bull", they want it banned... which includes a vast array of pure bred dogs as well as mixed breeds that have no APBT blood in them at all.

[ViaxobbimeVar]

you have me confused girl... I am not snapping to what you are getting at....
papers do not mean a damn thing to most folks who are for BSL, if it LOOKS like what they think an APBT is, then, to them it IS an apbt...
so not sure what you are saying.. and I hate to make fun of you when I am not sure what it is I am making fun of...

Does anyone remember the bill back in 2004/2005 that Georgia legislators were trying to pass? Banning all "Pit Bulls." H78 defined "pit bulls" as American Pit Bull Terriers, American Staffordshire Terriers, Staffordshire Bull Terriers, or any dogs displaying characteristics of those breeds.

I think in 2005 the bill died, but it's technically...still out there. They don't care what "papers" say. If it looks like a Pit Bull, they're banning it. Same thing in counties that ban Pit Bulls now. People have tried passing dogs off as "Boxer mixes," etc. that they got from shelters, but if it looks like a Pit Bull, they're calling it a Pit Bull.

[yarita]

reposting this quote, because it deserves to be repeated.

Yep. And let's not close our eyes and plug our ears while singing LALALALALALA and instead remember why B.S.L. is being enacted in the first place: IRRESPONSIBLE 'PIT BULL' OWNERS.
No one else brought B.S.L. upon us. 'Pit bulll' owners brought B.S.L. upon 'pit bull' owners.

Now it's time to govern ourselves and remove the dogs from the hands of those who do not need them and/or are the ones responsible for this entire mess in the first place.
Or tomorrow none of us will own these dogs.

[quack!]

When it comes to the Bully breed community, we should call our dogs by the correct terms, but when it comes to the rest of the world, they don't care what you have, if it's muscular with short hair, they won't hesitate to call it a "pit bull" and want to kill it.

[Seilehogshell]

Give it up to pit bulls for giving bollys a bad bame.

[casinobonbone]

Give it up to pit bulls for giving bollys a bad bame.

All dog breeds have a few bad apples! there have been bully lines started by HA animals. Please think before you speak. No offense. BSL can apply to any dog breed.

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Also give it to the APBT for helping create our Bullies if you want to get technical about

[Abaronos]

All dog breeds have a few bad apples! there have been bully lines started by HA animals. Please think before you speak. No offense. BSL can apply to any dog breed.

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Also give it to the APBT for helping create our Bullies if you want to get technical about

Totally agree, not only that give it to APBT for all of us who don't have papered "pit bulls"

[Jeaxatoem]

I don't have issues with anyone calling their dog a Pit Bull... mine does not have papers... to me he is a pit... papers or not

[Ifroham4]

Sorry I meant the community meaning the "pitbull" community. Meaning people who say that is not a pitbull *finger shake* because there are no papers, it is a mutt. Those who demand I dont call my dog a pitbull because that term only refers to the APBT, but at the same time the UKC refers to several breeds as pitbulls, it seems like an easy way of dividing the community if you ask me

LOL papers don't mean shit. Let's be honest, what is a pitbull, or more specifically, an apbt? An apbt is a dog that displays gameness first and foremost. Most of these "papered" dogs are ADBA, UKC, and AKC showdogs. Now not making any assumptions or speculations here, but I doubt any of them have been tested for gameness. Furthermore, I doubt most of these showdogs, ADBA included, can be used for the breed's original purposes (animal baiting and catchwork.) Now you can go to New Jersey, Florida, Louisiana, etc. and find hog doggers that run apbts descended from some of the most known and reputable lines out there. My dad's friend in Jersey is a hog hunter and his pack descends from dogs directly off of Bert Sorrell's. They are pure, however, he never registered them. Most hog hunters with apbt catchdogs that are pure don't bother registering them since it is just a waist of money to them. They just breed for working ability. One of his top catchdogs and stud is a 53# dog that caught a 400+ lb. monster himself. Also the dog almost came close to death and if the hit was 1/2 an inch closer from the cut collar, that dog would be dead. He kept on going strong despite the broken ribs and was cut up badly. That dog isn't papered, but is pure sorrell's blood. Now you tell me, which is a true apbt, this unpapered catchdog, or the papered champion weightpull/ conformation dogs? Remember, the dog makes the papers.