[Fausqueuego]

String and duct tape

[KirillAristov]

String and duct tape

Yeah, that's bad. But is it a crime? Castrating hogs and dehorning cattle is pretty tough stuff and it's legal. Banding sheep?

I am not defending the guy or his choices, they make me sick. But is he a criminal?

Not in my mind.

I can hate what he did without thinking he belongs in a jail cell.

[chzvacmyye]

It's so sad to see people put in situations like this because of the high price of vet care.

The guy had three choices: give up his dog, do nothing, or operate himself. I would never do what he did, but none of those options are good ones. No matter what he did he was screwed just because his dog needed vet care. I think it's easy to look at this story and think the guy's a monster, but in reality he was probably doing whatever he could to keep his dog. I completely disagree with what he did and think it was a horrible decision, but I also think that articles like this completely skew the nature of the story.

[ricochettty]

Most of the time, your vet will work out payments for you. When Bella had her surgery to remove a spot and send it off to see if it were cancer, the bill was about $350.00. My vet let me post date a couple of checks so I could make the payments without having to pay for it in full up front.

What I don't understand is, how the heck did he keep the dog still long enough to do teh surgery?? I could not, would not do it. Part of owning a dog is vet bills, even for healthy dogs. Of all 6 of my dogs, Bella has been the most expensive, with medical bills along running $1300 in just 8-9 months of adopting her.

[Tzqowwyt]

Many Vets will not work out payments because they have been screwed over to many times. Some will allow post dating a check (which is not legal). Or holding a check for you. But if they present it to your bank for payment you have no recourse.

Now it all depends. The Vet I work for just this weekend sent home an IV line and pump so the owners of a dog could give fluids over the weekend because they can not afford to send to the E clinic. She went over how to use it and gave them her phone number if they have any questions.

So it all depends on the Vet. We have sent home a dog with an IV in them and bags of fluids when pups have had parvo because they could not afford in hospital treatment.

Now as far as operating on your animal. Well a cyst is minor in compared to what one of our clients did a few months ago. They performed an at home c section because they could not afford to bring it in. The dog was near death when they did it. They called us after it happened. And my vet checked into charges but without actual proof (like they brought the dog into us) there is nothing that AC could do.

Somethings should be left to professionals.

[lalpphilalk]

It's so sad to see people put in situations like this because of the high price of vet care.

The guy had three choices: give up his dog, do nothing, or operate himself. I would never do what he did, but none of those options are good ones.

The mass was benign. He didn't HAVE to do a damn thing. You don't just go hacking off growths willy nilly because you don't have the cash to take the dog in. What if the mass had been very vascular and the dog bled to death? What if he had hacked into a mast cell and made the situation even worse from the mass histamine release? There is a lot more to removing growths than just cutting them off and stopping the bleeding.

With any luck, at least the guy will be smart enough to not do it again. Or perhaps he will be barred from owning more pets. Regardless of cruelty, the guy is certainly guilty of idiocy.

Now as far as operating on your animal. Well a cyst is minor in compared to what one of our clients did a few months ago. They performed an at home c section because they could not afford to bring it in. The dog was near death when they did it. They called us after it happened. And my vet checked into charges but without actual proof (like they brought the dog into us) there is nothing that AC could do.

Somethings should be left to professionals.

OMG, did the dog live?

[Tzqowwyt]

The mass was benign. He didn't HAVE to do a damn thing. You don't just go hacking off growths willy nilly because you don't have the cash to take the dog in. What if the mass had been very vascular and the dog bled to death? What if he had hacked into a mast cell and made the situation even worse from the mass histamine release? There is a lot more to removing growths than just cutting them off and stopping the bleeding.

With any luck, at least the guy will be smart enough to not do it again. Or perhaps he will be barred from owning more pets. Regardless of cruelty, the guy is certainly guilty of idiocy.





OMG, did the dog live?

No she did not. She was "near death" the clients said. But no neither the pups nor the mom lived.

http://www.pitbull-chat.com/showthread.php?t=44181

[bZEUWO4F]

Near as I can tell this guys only mistake was not following up with antibiotics after the DIY surgery.

So many are quick to condemn him for being a bit old-school in his animal handling skills. This is just the way things were done before the days of artificial hip replacements, de-barking surgerys and chemotherapy for cats.

[chzvacmyye]

The mass was benign. He didn't HAVE to do a damn thing. You don't just go hacking off growths willy nilly because you don't have the cash to take the dog in. What if the mass had been very vascular and the dog bled to death? What if he had hacked into a mast cell and made the situation even worse from the mass histamine release? There is a lot more to removing growths than just cutting them off and stopping the bleeding.

With any luck, at least the guy will be smart enough to not do it again. Or perhaps he will be barred from owning more pets. Regardless of cruelty, the guy is certainly guilty of idiocy.

Once again, I completely disagree with what the guy did. I think it was a horrible decision and agree with what you're saying. All that I'm saying is that these articles skew the nature of the story. The guy is definitely an idiot, plain and simple. He definitely made a bad choice. But writing about him like he's a monster is not taking into account his situation or the feelings that he probably had. Bad choice, yes. Act of malice, I don't think so.

[carlsberg21]

Once again, I completely disagree with what the guy did. I think it was a horrible decision and agree with what you're saying. All that I'm saying is that these articles skew the nature of the story. The guy is definitely an idiot, plain and simple. He definitely made a bad choice. But writing about him like he's a monster is not taking into account his situation or the feelings that he probably had. Bad choice, yes. Act of malice, I don't think so.

True. I don't think he was like "Today, I'm going to cause my dog immense pain by excising I wound that doesn't need to be, as well as not giving proper antibiotics afterwards". I think he saw a problem, saw a solution, and dealt with it the best he could. He was uneducated, but I do think he meant no harm.

[expiclefich]

True. I don't think he was like "Today, I'm going to cause my dog immense pain by excising I wound that doesn't need to be, as well as not giving proper antibiotics afterwards". I think he saw a problem, saw a solution, and dealt with it the best he could. He was uneducated, but I do think he meant no harm.

Uneducated being the operative word here.. and being uneducated or stupid does not relieve you from being responsible for your actions.

Tell me WHO here has done the same thing? Or knows of somebody who did? Because that level of: "OK, I'll slice it up with a knife" thing is crazy. If the dude would have done that to his kid.. feel the same way about it?

Pain receptors are pain receptors. We are NOT in Vietnam and we are not at a MASH unit. Do you have the faintest idea how much that dog probably screamed? Unless it was a tiny cyst.. and then I don't really see why he HAD to remove it. If nothing else, this dude needs to go on some meds and have some counselling.

[carlsberg21]

Uneducated being the operative word here.. and being uneducated or stupid does not relieve you from being responsible for your actions.

Tell me WHO here has done the same thing? Or knows of somebody who did? Because that level of: "OK, I'll slice it up with a knife" thing is crazy. If the dude would have done that to his kid.. feel the same way about it?

Pain receptors are pain receptors. We are NOT in Vietnam and we are not at a MASH unit. Do you have the faintest idea how much that dog probably screamed? Unless it was a tiny cyst.. and then I don't really see why he HAD to remove it. If nothing else, this dude needs to go on some meds and have some counselling.

I never said he shouldn't be punished, nor did I say it wasn't cruel. I was just stating that it was unintentional cruelty, meaning he was TRYING to do the right thing (in his mind). It's not like he was kicking his dog mercilessly in an elevator (if you remember the story from last month). He was just doing what he thought was right.
Granted, I am NOT condoning what he did in any way, but I don't think he's mentally ill or a danger to society. I think he just needs to learn what to do when his dog falls ill, and that the word 'benign' means he doesn't have to take action into his own hands.

[ChicasCams]

my vet is a very old man who is very close friends with my grandparents, and my family has been using him and his staff for years so he always helps us out on bills he will give us as long as we need to pay him for stuff. but hes like that with just about anyone who will show him they are trying hes just a good ole man, Thank god his granddaughter is going to Auburn University to get her vet degree right now and will take over his office when he retires


that guy doesn't belong in jail

[expiclefich]

I never said he shouldn't be punished, nor did I say it wasn't cruel. I was just stating that it was unintentional cruelty, meaning he was TRYING to do the right thing (in his mind). It's not like he was kicking his dog mercilessly in an elevator (if you remember the story from last month). He was just doing what he thought was right.
Granted, I am NOT condoning what he did in any way, but I don't think he's mentally ill or a danger to society. I think he just needs to learn what to do when his dog falls ill, and that the word 'benign' means he doesn't have to take action into his own hands.

Thing is.. the lack of understanding the word "benign" isn't even part of the story. The dude never even consulted a veterinarian.. if he had asked any equally educated person, they probably would have told him that "it's nuthin' ".
As far as going to jail..I don't see that even mentioned in there, but maybe I missed something.
There is a difference between castrating livestock after having been taught .. (whether by grand-dad or vet personnel).. and doing surgery. Believe it, or not.. but practicing veterinary medicine without a license IS illegal.