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Old 08-22-2012, 05:49 PM   #1
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Default Cars talking, to each other.
I had thought this still a science fiction, but a trial is underway.

" About 3,000 vehicles equipped to share information about their speed and location have hit the roads in Ann Arbor, Mich., as part of a research project into so-called connected vehicles.

The wireless technology enables the vehicles and the traffic infrastructure to "talk" to each other in real time to help avoid crashes and improve traffic flow, according to the U.S. Department of Transportation, which is running the test in conjunction with the University of Michigan Transportation Research Institute.

Passenger cars, commercial trucks and transit buses equipped to communicate, along with roadside data equipment, will be used in the 30-month program starting this week.

The special vehicles will send electronic data messages and receive messages from other equipped vehicles, translating the data into driver warnings of specific hazardous traffic scenarios, the Transportation Department said.



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From Los Angeles Times ‏@latimes

Cars that 'talk' to each other getting safety test in Michigan http://lat.ms/QntKOD
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Old 08-22-2012, 06:13 PM   #2
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Intelligent cars==dumb drivers, IMO. Driving is the legal responsibility of the person in control, and cannot be delegated. Only by having better drivers can there ever be a real solution. Even so, there will be human errors, which we just have to put up with. Depending on technology for safety in motor vehicles is too risky, and successful overrides become unlikely, as the overridee will not be paying attention to what's happening and will take too long to assess and react to crisis. Aircraft have autopilots, ILS etc & pilots, because of the risks of failure in the automated systems and their limited automated coping mechanisms for problems. Cars are not built or maintained to aircraft standards-so I see automated cars as very unlikely as mass transport. The changeover would be difficult, practically/economically. I know there are automated trains but that's a much more constrained medium.
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Old 08-22-2012, 06:15 PM   #3
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Intelligent cars==dumb drivers, IMO. Driving is the legal responsibility of the person in control, and cannot be delegated. Only by having better drivers can there ever be a real solution. Even so, there will be human errors, which we just have to put up with. Depending on technology for safety in motor vehicles is too risky, and successful overrides become unlikely, as the overridee will not be paying attention to what's happening and will take too long to assess and react to crisis. Aircraft have autopilots, ILS etc & pilots, because of the risks of failure in the automated systems and their limited automated coping mechanisms for problems. Cars are not built or maintained to aircraft standards-so I see automated cars as very unlikely as mass transport. The changeover would be difficult, practically/economically. I know there are automated trains but that's a much more constrained medium.
I disagree, the more we can take decision making out of the human mind the better.
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Old 08-22-2012, 06:26 PM   #4
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translating the data into driver warnings of specific hazardous traffic scenarios, the Transportation Department said.


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Seems that if the system was going to waste time talking to the driver then it should be saying something like "Dave, the reason you cannot steer or brake is because you are too slow and I'm taking over."
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Old 08-22-2012, 06:33 PM   #5
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this tech doesn't seem to be about taking control rather giving the driver information that will help them make decisions.

like, if you sit on 60kph you'll get a green light at the next intersection, or don't go via such-and-such road because there is poor traffic flow etc.

seems a good idea.
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Old 08-22-2012, 06:37 PM   #6
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seems like a good idea..


> yeah

as long as it doesn't get treated like the backseat driver.
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Old 08-22-2012, 07:51 PM   #7
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Interesting.

Quite apart from the benefits in route selection, I can see the advantage in getting advance warning that the car just round the corner has just slammed on its brakes.

OTOH I can see the danger of people using this information for blind overtaking or fast driving in fog, so it would need to be handled carefully.
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Old 08-22-2012, 09:06 PM   #8
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Quite apart from the benefits in route selection,
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I can see this program getting some feedback on this aspect, although limited by thew sample size of cars feeding info in to the system.



I can see the advantage in getting advance warning that the car just round the corner has just slammed on its brakes.
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I can see this program getting no feedback at all about this as the chances of two equiped cars being invovled in the same incident is very remote. This would also be relevant if they tried to adopt the tech for all cars, it would be a long time before legacy cars were not dominate.
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Old 08-22-2012, 09:26 PM   #9
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this tech doesn't seem to be about taking control rather giving the driver information that will help them make decisions.

like, if you sit on 60kph you'll get a green light at the next intersection, or don't go via such-and-such road because there is poor traffic flow etc.

seems a good idea.
]My GPS unit does stuff rather like that now. Warns of traffic delays in any case.
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Old 08-22-2012, 09:31 PM   #10
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]My GPS unit does stuff rather like that now. Warns of traffic delays in any case.
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"Warning Morrie, there is another car 4km up the road"

"Advice Morrie, if you travel at 58km/h you will reach the next set of traffic lights on a green, in about two hours"
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Old 08-22-2012, 09:38 PM   #11
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I'd be quite happy for my car to "talk" to other cars, so long as it said things like "get out of the ****ing way!!!"
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Old 08-22-2012, 10:05 PM   #12
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"Warning Morrie, there is another car 4km up the road"

"Advice Morrie, if you travel at 58km/h you will reach the next set of traffic lights on a green, in about two hours"
LOL :-)

There are some traffic lights on the roundabout at Bunbury now. You need to think about how to handle them well before you get there.
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Old 08-22-2012, 10:07 PM   #13
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LOL :-)

There are some traffic lights on the roundabout at Bunbury now. You need to think about how to handle them well before you get there.
Traffic Lights? On a Roundabout? That is just crazy talk...
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Old 08-22-2012, 10:08 PM   #14
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Traffic Lights? On a Roundabout? That is just crazy talk... that's bunbury. shows in crystal clarity the level of intelligence in that town.
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Old 08-22-2012, 10:10 PM   #15
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that's bunbury. shows in crystal clarity the level of intelligence in that town.
It has been a good many years since I have been there. The wonders of the bypass...
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Old 08-22-2012, 10:24 PM   #16
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Sort-of related ..... When I started flying to Narita in Japan in 1998 they had a system that we're only just recently getting here; the one where the GPS talks to ground stations and keeps you away from the traffic jams.
Also saw my first plasma tellies there as well. I think there was a ~110cm or so one for Aus$30,000.
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Old 08-23-2012, 04:03 AM   #17
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NAVSOP 802.11p
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Old 08-23-2012, 04:24 AM   #18
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I was reading about the Ford Titanium that has cloud technology that can do all sorts of stuff, including, adjusting your car radio to what you were listening to in the house. I have the exact same thing, in the house I listen to JJJ and I get into the car and seamlessly without me doing anything it turns on JJJ as well.
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Old 08-23-2012, 04:58 AM   #19
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What is JJJ, is it a new station. I listen to ABC.
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Old 08-23-2012, 05:07 AM   #20
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TripleJ then. I started when it was double J.
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