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Old 08-20-2012, 07:32 PM   #61
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Essentially though if we wish to advance our knowledge, robotic missions are still the way to go. Cheaper, politically less problematic.
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Old 08-20-2012, 07:34 PM   #62
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I'm not sure I understand why economic efficiency is seen as such a bad thing...
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It's not...But sometimes humanities needs and urges need to come first...To boldly go and all that [sorry]
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Old 08-20-2012, 07:38 PM   #63
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Essentially though if we wish to advance our knowledge, robotic missions are still the way to go. Cheaper, politically less problematic.
I actually think that individuals that are pro-manned mission must be anti-science... because for the same cost the science benefit of robotic missions is so much more than manned missions...

I guess that is why those smart blokes in NASA gave up on manned missions...
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Old 08-20-2012, 07:38 PM   #64
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Essentially though if we wish to advance our knowledge, robotic missions are still the way to go. Cheaper, politically less problematic. i agree but sooner or later humans will "want to have a look" too.
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Old 08-20-2012, 07:39 PM   #65
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I actually think that individuals that are pro-manned mission must be anti-science... because for the same cost the science benefit of robotic missions is so much more than manned missions...

I guess that is why those smart blokes in NASA gave up on manned missions...
Indeed.
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Old 08-20-2012, 07:40 PM   #66
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i agree but sooner or later humans will "want to have a look" too.
I honestly expect China to be the first country to put a man on Mars.
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Old 08-20-2012, 07:41 PM   #67
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I honestly expect China to be the first country on the moon. might be a tad hard.

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Old 08-20-2012, 07:42 PM   #68
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I actually think that individuals that are pro-manned mission must be anti-science... because for the same cost the science benefit of robotic missions is so much more than manned missions...

I guess that is why those smart blokes in NASA gave up on manned missions...
That's just plain silly.
As you well know.
Let's try all this again....
It's difficult
It's dangerous...
Robots need to prepare the way
Then we'll have a manned expedition.
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Old 08-20-2012, 07:42 PM   #69
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might be a tad hard.

;-)
Fark, completely incorrect, I meant first country to put a man on Mars.
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Old 08-20-2012, 07:42 PM   #70
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I actually think that individuals that are pro-manned mission must be anti-science... because for the same cost the science benefit of robotic missions is so much more than manned missions...

I guess that is why those smart blokes in NASA gave up on manned missions...
Not to mention that the paperwork involved for when someone dies on a mission as opposed to the paperwork involved when you "lose" a robot...
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Old 08-20-2012, 07:42 PM   #71
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i agree but sooner or later humans will "want to have a look" too.
IMO... "having a look" is a pretty st00pid reason to go...

surely we can go for better reasons than that...

I simply don't buy the whole 'boldly go' thing... the reason explorers of the past went of search of stuff was because it was the only way to know what was out there... we have better technology now, we don't need to go in order to simply see what is there anymore...
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Old 08-20-2012, 07:43 PM   #72
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I honestly expect China to be the first country on the moon.
you may want to check your history books.. I do believe the USA has beat them to it...
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Old 08-20-2012, 07:44 PM   #73
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IMO... "having a look" is a pretty st00pid reason to go... maybe but it is still probably the most likely. and by having a look i mean an extensive mission not just a hurried one like the moon landings were.
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Old 08-20-2012, 07:49 PM   #74
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IMO... "having a look" is a pretty st00pid reason to go...

surely we can go for better reasons than that...

I simply don't buy the whole 'boldly go' thing... the reason explorers of the past went of search of stuff was because it was the only way to know what was out there... we have better technology now, we don't need to go in order to simply see what is there anymore...

You really think so?
We still climb Mnt Everest.
We still circumnavigate the world in dingys.

No "the boldly go where no bastard has gone before" will always be with us, along with of course our search and thirst for knowledge [a robot does not compare really to the human touch and art of free will] to discover other life.
Yep, robots will and have served a purpose, but in the end, man will always need to go.





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Behind all the cool technology and allure of universal unknowns, the quest for interstellar flight is really about people. This is a goal for, and by, humanity. Our survival as a species depends on learning how live beyond our -one- and only home, Earth. And it's up to us to make it happen. As much as it might be appealing to think that some benevolent alien race will save us someday, that's not the best way to get things done. But the quest for interstellar flight impacts humanity in more ways than just living beyond Earth. It is also about making life on Earth better right now. By reaching for these grand and honorable goals we stand more to gain in the process. Would you rather help humanity conquer new frontiers, or be left with no other prospect than for humans to conquer each other?

This plays both ways. As much as interstellar prospects affect humanity, the nature of humanity affects what we choose to do and how we choose to do it. Consider the popular appeal of science fiction and its inspirational affect on past pioneers. Consider the nature of how we work together, how society evolves and on how this affects if, and how, we work to ensure our survival beyond Earth. Imagine the collaboration required to get the diverse cultures and governments on Earth to jointly launch a colony ship. This is the human element in action.





http://www.tauzero.aero/html/human_impact.html
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Old 08-20-2012, 07:50 PM   #75
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You really think so?
We still climb Mnt Everest.
We still circumnavigate the world in dingys.

http://www.tauzero.aero/html/human_impact.html
People essentially do this because its relatively easy and painfree.
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Old 08-20-2012, 07:53 PM   #76
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People essentially do this because its relatively easy and painfree.
Tell me again...How many have died on Everest?
How many have secumbed to the sea?

Going to the stars will also be relatively easy one day.

The best way to predict the future is to create it."
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Old 08-20-2012, 07:54 PM   #77
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I said relatively easy not dead set easy.
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Old 08-20-2012, 07:56 PM   #78
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I don't agree the humans will need a physical presence in space unless we actual find life. Everything else can be done more efficiently and cheaper by a machine.

Going just for the sake of going is a bit pointless and far too risky.
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Old 08-20-2012, 07:57 PM   #79
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Well we're either wanting to do science, or wanting to satisfy our destiny.
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Old 08-20-2012, 08:03 PM   #80
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You really think so?
We still climb Mnt Everest.
We still circumnavigate the world in dingys.

No "the boldly go where no bastard has gone before" will always be with us, along with of course our search and thirst for knowledge [a robot does not compare really to the human touch and art of free will] to discover other life.
neither climbing Mt Everest not circumnavigating the world in a dingy is an example of "boldly going where no one has gone before" They are example of individuals trying to achieve personal goals.
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