[Opperioav]

Why should we impeach Bush, if Cheney is in line for the throne?

Good point. I shall call it the 'Quayle anti-impeachment' strategy, originally developed by Bush Senior.

Clinton followed up with Gore, Gore nominated Leiberman and Bush2 has Cheney. All perfect examples, though I think Gore's nomination of Leiberman was protection against his own party lynching him.

[Essefsbyday]

Extremely good point. However, if preseure is put on Cheney, he may resign before Bush is impaeached (To keep it from rubbing off.)

[clitlyphype]

-he deliberately lied to the american people to go to Iraq
-he wasted billions of dollars on the war
-he violated international treaties and the UN charter
-his wiretapping program is illegal

ok, the left makes it so easy when they lie

-he did not lie about Iraq, in fact, the truth is coming out that Saddam did have wmd's, and he sent them to Syria before the invasion

-so, billions of dollars for our protection are hereby justified

-no proof of treaties were violated

-it is NOT domestic wiretapping, it's international wiretapping, and as we all know there are no U.S. citizens being listened to.

Maybe you should stop believing all the spin the lib media is putting on everything, I don't know, just a thought.

Todd

[casinoboneerer]

ok, the left makes it so easy when they lie

-he did not lie about Iraq, in fact, the truth is coming out that Saddam did have wmd's, and he sent them to Syria before the invasion

-so, billions of dollars for our protection are hereby justified

-no proof of treaties were violated

-it is NOT domestic wiretapping, it's international wiretapping, and as we all know there are no U.S. citizens being listened to.

Maybe you should stop believing all the spin the lib media is putting on everything, I don't know, just a thought.

Todd

First off, I didnt say that, I was paraphrasing the posters remarks. Second, your statements are no better than his unless you back them up with facts. Especially when you say things you know will be eagerly debated.

[defenderfors]

First off, I didnt say that, I was paraphrasing the posters remarks. Second, your statements are no better than his unless you back them up with facts. Especially when you say things you know will be eagerly debated.

I need to appologize, I must've misread your post, I feel pretty bad about that. So I would like re-direct the post I made to the libs that are thinking those things.

I have the facts to back up my statements

Thanks

Todd

[Kristoferson]

What all this nonsense about impeachment. The man should be arrested and put on trial for the murder of over 2000 american soldiers and the massacre of countless thousands of Iraqis. But of course, America lacks this type of courage, they would rather go on with the status-quo, and endless line of pathetic leaders doing the bidding of minority interests and treating the poor and miserable as canon fodder for their pathetic and childish goals.

The marines should stop taking such shit from the civilian losers in the white house, they should surround the building and arrest George Bush and his entourage as soon as he steps out the front door.

Until america does that they are just content being led on a string by their boy king with no brains in the white house, and until americans regain resposibility for their democracy the world will continue to laugh and point at such a pathetic spectacle of governance and responsible citizenship.

Andrew

[Manteiv]

What all this nonsense about impeachment. The man should be arrested and put on trial for the murder of over 2000 american soldiers and the massacre of countless thousands of Iraqis. But of course, America lacks this type of courage, they would rather go on with the status-quo, and endless line of pathetic leaders doing the bidding of minority interests and treating the poor and miserable as canon fodder for their pathetic and childish goals.

The marines should stop taking such shit from the civilian losers in the white house, they should surround the building and arrest George Bush and his entourage as soon as he steps out the front door.

Until america does that they are just content being led on a string by their boy king with no brains in the white house, and until americans regain resposibility for their democracy the world will continue to laugh and point at such a pathetic spectacle of governance and responsible citizenship.

Andrew

Apparently we're in the right thread. That was a 'rant' if I've ever seen one.

[@Aerodyno@]

Apparently we're in the right thread. That was a 'rant' if I've ever seen one.

Thank You. I have been waiting for a proper forum for my views. lol....

Andrew

[Paladin]

-so, billions of dollars for our protection are hereby justified

What are you talking about?! We're spending billions of dollars building another country into a mini-U.S! Iraq was not linked to Al-Quieda NOR did they have Weapons of Mass Destruction. We should have never been there. They never even posed a THREAT.

[shumozar]

The problem with all of these statement are they are political and not factual.

But my point is that these are all MAJOR issues that need to be looked into! The American people are forgetting about these things when they should matter. His government, in a matter of MONTHS, not only took away the giant surplus Clinton left behind but he put us into an even GREATER decifict. And what for? He lied. They found no Weapons of Mass Destruction. I don't understand what you don't get about it. It's actually VERY simple.

With the wiretapping; that IS 100% factual. He has openly ADMITTED that he broke the law to illegally listen in on Americans. I dont know about you, but I like my liberties and freedoms. My issue is not so much that he did but; but that he did it ILLEGALLY. NOBODY, and I repeat NOBODY, is above the law. Not even the President of the United States.

They're so irresponsible it's pathetic. 9 BILLION dollars just dissappeared. You SHOULD care, because it's your money too. It's ALL our money. And let's face it; they're pretty much stealing it/misusing it.

[WenPyclenoWex]

What are you talking about?! We're spending billions of dollars building another country into a mini-U.S! Iraq was not linked to Al-Quieda NOR did they have Weapons of Mass Destruction. We should have never been there. They never even posed a THREAT.

Obviously you've not been watching Fox news. there was a former Iraqi general who served under Saddam that has written a book and is testifying to the fact that Saddam indeed did have WMD's and in fact sent them to Syria because he knew we were going to invade and destroy the weapons he had. He mentioned specifically chemical and biological weapons.

it has also been proven that they had extensive ties to Al-Quieda

I know we're not taking out aspirin factories or selling nuke secrets to the chineese or anything like that, but I think we as a very well represented republic can do without that sort of thing for a while, surely.

Todd

[daguy]

Obviously you've not been watching Fox news. there was a former Iraqi general who served under Saddam that has written a book and is testifying to the fact that Saddam indeed did have WMD's and in fact sent them to Syria because he knew we were going to invade and destroy the weapons he had. He mentioned specifically chemical and biological weapons.

it has also been proven that they had extensive ties to Al-Quieda

I know we're not taking out aspirin factories or selling nuke secrets to the chineese or anything like that, but I think we as a very well represented republic can do without that sort of thing for a while, surely.

Todd

I'd rather trust unbiased United Nations inspectors as opposed to a single Iraqi General who was (probably) paid off for his statements.

[Fiipolera]

What all this nonsense about impeachment. The man should be arrested and put on trial for the murder of over 2000 american soldiers and the massacre of countless thousands of Iraqis. But of course, America lacks this type of courage, they would rather go on with the status-quo, and endless line of pathetic leaders doing the bidding of minority interests and treating the poor and miserable as canon fodder for their pathetic and childish goals.

The marines should stop taking such shit from the civilian losers in the white house, they should surround the building and arrest George Bush and his entourage as soon as he steps out the front door.

Until america does that they are just content being led on a string by their boy king with no brains in the white house, and until americans regain resposibility for their democracy the world will continue to laugh and point at such a pathetic spectacle of governance and responsible citizenship.

Andrew

Wow, you actually made the original poster look reasonable. Murder and Massacre, those are big words. Why dont you ask your govt to tell the UN to bring it up?

[neerewed]

What are you talking about?! We're spending billions of dollars building another country into a mini-U.S! Iraq was not linked to Al-Quieda NOR did they have Weapons of Mass Destruction. We should have never been there. They never even posed a THREAT.

And again, if you are going to make such statements, you should back them up with facts. That will be a problem of course because the facts show that at the least the statements you make are questionable. The numerous analysies after the invasion show that there were numerous contacts between Iraq and AlQaida, that Saddam had WMDs that were unaccounted for, and was agressively attempting to procure WMDs, material to make them, and knowledge to make them, all the while trying to get rid of UN oversight so he could do all of that easier. There are srveral piexces of evidence which indicate WMDs may have been moved to Syria. Finally, on WMDs, we did find some, including Sarin.

And this is before anyone has even translated or seen most of the 2 million documents captured in Iraq that so far indicate Sadaam attempting to purchase mustard gas, and setting up terrorist training camps in Iraq. There are plenty of witnesses and other intelligence agencies collections all indicating that something was going on. To claim nothing is going on goes against the facts.

[Hammaduersnes]

Wow, you actually made the original poster look reasonable. Murder and Massacre, those are big words. Why dont you ask your govt to tell the UN to bring it up?

Only Hugo Chavez has that courage. We just voted in an ass kisser who would love to be in Iraq right now revelling in the blood bath.

Andrew

[Apparpsmose]

But my point is that these are all MAJOR issues that need to be looked into! The American people are forgetting about these things when they should matter. His government, in a matter of MONTHS, not only took away the giant surplus Clinton left behind but he put us into an even GREATER decifict. And what for? He lied. They found no Weapons of Mass Destruction. I don't understand what you don't get about it. It's actually VERY simple.

With the wiretapping; that IS 100% factual. He has openly ADMITTED that he broke the law to illegally listen in on Americans. I dont know about you, but I like my liberties and freedoms. My issue is not so much that he did but; but that he did it ILLEGALLY. NOBODY, and I repeat NOBODY, is above the law. Not even the President of the United States.

They're so irresponsible it's pathetic. 9 BILLION dollars just dissappeared. You SHOULD care, because it's your money too. It's ALL our money. And let's face it; they're pretty much stealing it/misusing it.

Since you are going to keep misstating things, Ill just continue. You are new, so you may not have heard these facts yet.

-Clinton left us a giant surplus

Not quite correct, clinton neither owned the "giant" surplus, nor was it giant. The surplus in 2000 was 200billion, and as you well know Congress designs the final budgets and the republican congress were the ones to present a balanced budget in the contract with america. The reduction to deficits did not take place in a matter of months, but over a year, just after 911, corporate scandals, and the dotcombust. FY01 recorded a 128billion dollar surplus

-he admitted his wiretapping was illegal

well, we all know the president had never said anything of the sort, and in fact he has mainted that everything he has done is illegal. In addition, the attorney general and the Congressional Research service has detailed the legal backing of the program, which includes the FISA court itself recognizing the presidents inherent authority to conduct warrantless searchs. In any case, the president has not been charged or convicted of anything, so illegality is not possible yet. If you believe in liberty, then you should also beleive in "innocent until proven guilty"

[Bgfbukpf]

I'd rather trust unbiased United Nations inspectors as opposed to a single Iraqi General who was (probably) paid off for his statements.

You trust the same UN that brought you the Oil for Food scandal? But lets look at what your trusting guy had to say before the war with Iraq, in 2003:

Resolution 687 (1991), like the subsequent resolutions I shall refer to, required cooperation by Iraq but such was often withheld or given grudgingly. Unlike South Africa, which decided on its own to eliminate its nuclear weapons and welcomed inspection as a means of creating confidence in its disarmament, Iraq appears not to have come to a genuine acceptance – not even today – of the disarmament, which was demanded of it and which it needs to carry out to win the confidence of the world and to live in peace. http://www.un.org/Depts/unmovic/Bx27.htm

There are of course, countless example by everyone around the world, including the UN, that Iraq was not cooperating, that he likely had WMDs, and that he was going to beomce an even bigger problem. Coupled with the after invasion reports that Sadaam was doing everything possibble to get rid of the UN so he could more easily pursue WMDs, and the many finds of unaccounted for WMDs, and to this day missing weapons that has been delcared, and it is obvious the UN was not right either.

[VtLe67WR]

-he admitted his wiretapping was illegal

well, we all know the president had never said anything of the sort, and in fact he has mainted that everything he has done is illegal.

Your right. Everything he has done IS illegal.

Alright buddy. Time for a quick lesson in law.

If the current LAW states that the President must get a warrant from a court to follow out this wiretapping...Not getting one..is...You guessed it! ILLEGAL!

Now I don't want to hear any of this bullsh*t that they take too long. They have 3 judges set up at a time for an emergency and it can only take SECONDS to obtain one...SECONDS! Yet he persists to break the law!

He obviously doesn't care for the law. I don't want a King ruling my country, thank you.

Also, don't even THINK of trying to say he was using his Commander in Chief power to do it. Because that is a PURELY MILITARIAL POWER. It doesn't give him the right at all. Both strict and loose constructionalists will tell you that, because it's factual.

[Zjohkrbi]

Your right. Everything he has done IS illegal.

Alright buddy. Time for a quick lesson in law.

If the current LAW states that the President must get a warrant from a court to follow out this wiretapping...Not getting one..is...You guessed it! ILLEGAL!

Now I don't want to hear any of this bullsh*t that they take too long. They have 3 judges set up at a time for an emergency and it can only take SECONDS to obtain one...SECONDS! Yet he persists to break the law!

He obviously doesn't care for the law. I don't want a King ruling my country, thank you.

Also, don't even THINK of trying to say he was using his Commander in Chief power to do it. Because that is a PURELY MILITARIAL POWER. It doesn't give him the right at all. Both strict and loose constructionalists will tell you that, because it's factual.

Yes, and it appears the "KING" is about to lose another subject Something quite similar to the "Brownie" affair. I can't report the full story, I hear it on CBS last night, and it is about an assistant to the secretary, or an under-secretary who was in charge of obtaing certain medical preventative shots for ratiation sickness in the event of a terrorist nuke attack. And has failed for the past four years. It appears one of our Senators is asking the administration to remove him prior to investigation, (and again similar to Brownie) I know this is dis-jointed, but I just heard bits and pieces of it. I'm sure it will be full-blown soon.

[9V4i8xw1]

What's so insane about my statement? Everything I said in it was true. You haven't really given done anything more than bash it.

Your statement has no legitimate backing. It's merely a repeat of left-wing garbage. It does not rate a serious response.