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Old 01-24-2006, 03:54 AM   #21
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hello,Mrs M, have you ever read Cinton's book"My life".I had read Chinese version.In this book,Clinton told us Hillary forgive him at last.
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Old 01-24-2006, 05:42 AM   #22
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Why is it important what politicians do in their married, private, sexual life?

Isn't it more important what they do in their political life?

Or are we just stupid, reality TV, sex scandal loving Americans who could care less about what is going on in the world as long as we have a dirty sex story to watch.
You've got to be joking. What you are saying is that you would vote for a politition who has compromised his/her morals and perhaps done some dubious things...say perhaps...used illicit drugs, adultery, or even possessed child pornography? Are you saying that that stuff doesn't matter when it comes to who is running your country? You can't possibly be saying that! I don't care who Jennifer Aniston is dating or (a better example) what Pewee Herman is doing in a movie theater. But, I do care what my representatitive is doing or has done when nobody is looking----who they really are. Because one would be a fool to think that who a person is will not affect how they represent you.
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Old 01-24-2006, 10:49 AM   #23
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You've got to be joking. What you are saying is that you would vote for a politition who has compromised his/her morals and perhaps done some dubious things...say perhaps...used illicit drugs,

*snip*
51% of voters did.
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Old 01-24-2006, 10:52 AM   #24
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Why would anyone be surprised at all for Hildebeast selling out to anything?
As a matter of fact, one should be surprised if she didn't.

She has absolutely no class whatsoever. Less I dare say than her husband.
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Old 01-24-2006, 10:55 AM   #25
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You've got to be joking. What you are saying is that you would vote for a politition who has compromised his/her morals and perhaps done some dubious things...say perhaps...used illicit drugs, adultery, or even possessed child pornography? Are you saying that that stuff doesn't matter when it comes to who is running your country? You can't possibly be saying that! I don't care who Jennifer Aniston is dating or (a better example) what Pewee Herman is doing in a movie theater. But, I do care what my representatitive is doing or has done when nobody is looking----who they really are. Because one would be a fool to think that who a person is will not affect how they represent you.
Given the evidence of pervasive corruption in congress, I think its fairly obvious that marriage status and drug history are pretty much irrelevant when it comes to betraying the public trust.
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Old 01-24-2006, 03:47 PM   #26
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hello,Mrs M, have you ever read Cinton's book"My life".I had read Chinese version.In this book,Clinton told us Hillary forgive him at last.
No, I haven't read it, nor do I wish to. However, Hillary says she forgives Bill but I have it from an inside source that he took a lot of shit from her and was kept on a very short leash for quite a while. And why wouldn't she say she forgives him? He was her ticket to the Senate. Without him, she's just another woman politician.
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Old 01-24-2006, 04:14 PM   #27
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You've got to be joking. What you are saying is that you would vote for a politition who has compromised his/her morals and perhaps done some dubious things...say perhaps...used illicit drugs, adultery, or even possessed child pornography? Are you saying that that stuff doesn't matter when it comes to who is running your country? You can't possibly be saying that! I don't care who Jennifer Aniston is dating or (a better example) what Pewee Herman is doing in a movie theater. But, I do care what my representatitive is doing or has done when nobody is looking----who they really are. Because one would be a fool to think that who a person is will not affect how they represent you.
You appear to be a very biggotted person, and it would more apt to be you who is a biggot in the open whom I would vote against. Besides, the only thing you haven't included is beastiality, child rape, and murder.
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Old 01-24-2006, 04:30 PM   #28
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You appear to be a very biggotted person, and it would more apt to be you who is a biggot in the open whom I would vote against. Besides, the only thing you haven't included is beastiality, child rape, and murder.
Please do explain your charge. Er..um..ad hominen attack.
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Old 01-24-2006, 06:21 PM   #29
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Please do explain your charge. Er..um..ad hominen attack.
Your post is all the explaination necessary
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Old 01-24-2006, 09:02 PM   #30
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I am currently watching a speech by Sen. Clinton and I find myself remembering her role in her husbands service as president...and, for lack of a better term..his service by another woman. I remember at the time thinking to myself, why does she stay married to an adulterer? What reason does she have to continue a commitment that was not returned to her. Not one person would have blammed her for leaving good ole' Billy, yet she stayed in the face of her national embarrassment over the issue. The answer is obvious. She was protecting her presidential bid. I am listening to her speak about values this very moment, but it was she who has sacrificed values in order to get what she can take. She has "sold out" her self respect in order to protect what she wanted...something that I believe she could have had anyway. Is this someone we can trust with our political future?
Hilary and Bill are imperialists and are no better than the Bush regime.
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Old 01-25-2006, 01:56 AM   #31
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Your post is all the explaination necessary
Which means that you can't explain yourself.

You lack substance.

I'll be awaiting your apology.
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Old 01-25-2006, 03:57 AM   #32
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in fact,I had read some articles in our china newspaper,their mean as like yours and others:Hillary want to be American president,so she select still live with Bill.because without bill,she may fail in General election 2008.

Sugah,sorry,May i ask you a persona question?
are you a Republican party member?

to tell the truth,I am Chinese,but i wish Hillary can be US president.because US is a great country,but it hasn't woman president before.Hillary can be the first.I think is very good

guys,My english is very poor,I hope you can understand.
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Old 01-25-2006, 04:14 PM   #33
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Which means that you can't explain yourself.

You lack substance.

I'll be awaiting your apology.
If you don't know what a bigot is, you are in trouble. And I'm not about to apologize for YOUR statement. (or my Honest reaction to it.) BTY do the initials SDJ mean anything to you????
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Old 01-25-2006, 04:38 PM   #34
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in fact,I had read some articles in our china newspaper,their mean as like yours and others:Hillary want to be American president,so she select still live with Bill.because without bill,she may fail in General election 2008.

Sugah,sorry,May i ask you a persona question?
are you a Republican party member?

to tell the truth,I am Chinese,but i wish Hillary can be US president.because US is a great country,but it hasn't woman president before.Hillary can be the first.I think is very good

guys,My english is very poor,I hope you can understand.
I'm a registered Republican and usually vote along party lines but only after studying the platforms of the candidates. If I believe a Democratic candidate will do a better job, that's who I vote for. Unfortunately, the last time I voted for a Democrat, I got stung because Gov. Blanco has been absolutely horrible!
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Old 01-25-2006, 04:55 PM   #35
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I'm a registered Republican and usually vote along party lines but only after studying the platforms of the candidates. If I believe a Democratic candidate will do a better job, that's who I vote for. Unfortunately, the last time I voted for a Democrat, I got stung because Gov. Blanco has been absolutely horrible!
Louisiana voters seem to get stung across the board and for a long time. I mean, pervert crook Edwards v. KKK crook Duke--what a choice--just beat your hand with a hammer picking between those two at the polls. It seems some decent choices are appearing now on each side for once (example--Mitch Landrieu of the Dems seems ok, as well as David Vitter for the Reps, etc)
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Old 01-25-2006, 05:02 PM   #36
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I'm a registered Republican and usually vote along party lines but only after studying the platforms of the candidates. If I believe a Democratic candidate will do a better job, that's who I vote for. Unfortunately, the last time I voted for a Democrat, I got stung because Gov. Blanco has been absolutely horrible!
Not any democratic canidate.. In my view Hilary is no better than Bush.
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Old 01-25-2006, 05:14 PM   #37
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I am currently watching a speech by Sen. Clinton and I find myself remembering her role in her husbands service as president...and, for lack of a better term..his service by another woman. I remember at the time thinking to myself, why does she stay married to an adulterer? What reason does she have to continue a commitment that was not returned to her. Not one person would have blammed her for leaving good ole' Billy, yet she stayed in the face of her national embarrassment over the issue. The answer is obvious. She was protecting her presidential bid. I am listening to her speak about values this very moment, but it was she who has sacrificed values in order to get what she can take. She has "sold out" her self respect in order to protect what she wanted...something that I believe she could have had anyway. Is this someone we can trust with our political future?
Heck, I never got into Clinton's marital problems. I remember when all that Lewinsky stuff was going on, people were accusing Bill of bombing Iraq in order to divert attention away from his marital affairs, but I never bought into that. I think of a lot of that was due to party loyalty more than anything else.

She may have honestly stayed with him because she loved him. Love is a very powerful emotion that will make even the proudest of people swallow their pride. That is why many people are scared of it.

But all that aside, I still wouldn't vote for her.
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Old 01-25-2006, 09:36 PM   #38
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I think of a lot of that was due to party loyalty more than anything else.
Party loyalty?

How about loyalty to the nation? Or loyalty to her husband? Both of those seem more reasonable and probable than mere politics from a human perspective. Standing by her man was good for the nation and I do find it hard to fault a woman for 'standing by her man' (through good times and bad, in sickness and in health...).

As for Hillary, I think she'd make a wonderful President of the USA and a surprisingly strong Democratic Presidential candidate in 2008 if she decides to go for it. That being said, I don't think she'd be the best choice at this time given the substantively large and irrational hatred that certain sections of the US electorate has for her. I think that's an uphill battle that probably isn't worth fighting given the 'Swiftboat' nature of contemporary media politics.

As for Hillary's quality, I must say that Hillary's healthcare policy proposal (1993-94) was a pretty damn good piece of American legislation and likely to be the core of any future US policy enactment on the topic. GM, Delphi and IBM have pretty well nailed this issue squarely over the last six months - this political ground is shifting right now. And Hillary's proposal is still looking like the best of the all reasonable proposals on the topic from a strictly American context.
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Old 01-25-2006, 10:42 PM   #39
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Party loyalty?

How about loyalty to the nation? Or loyalty to her husband? Both of those seem more reasonable and probable than mere politics from a human perspective. Standing by her man was good for the nation and I do find it hard to fault a woman for 'standing by her man' (through good times and bad, in sickness and in health...).
I was referring to the accusations about Clinton's hidden motivations to bomb Iraq in '98. You know, because he supposedly wanted to divert attention away from his sex scandals at the time. I never bought it and saw those accusations as stemming from party loyalty, much like some accusations being thrown around today towards Bush . I'm not into mud slinging, which is why I didn't get into Clinton's marital problems.
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Old 01-25-2006, 11:39 PM   #40
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hello,Mrs M, have you ever read Cinton's book"My life".I had read Chinese version.In this book,Clinton told us Hillary forgive him at last.
Sunny, it's good that you have read that book. The more information you get about political candidates, from as many different sources as possible, the better you can judge them. In this country, that is very important, since we choose them ourselves.

You might also want to read a recent book called "Rewriting History". It's a response to "My Life", and was written by a man who used to be longtime friend of Bill and Hillary, and was Bill's campaign advisor for a long time. His name is Dick Morris, and he has worked for campaigns of Clinton, George H.W. Bush (father of our current President), and politicians from other countries as well.

In "Rewriting History", Morris warns that Hillary is not as she appears, and gives many examples and evidence to back up what he says. In sum, Morris and Hillary say two different things. I encourage you to read both books. Then seek information from other sources too, to decide for yourself what to believe in the matter.

In this country you will find that there are MANY different opinions and viewpoints, often contradictory, and usually very loud. You have many opportunities to examine them and compare to other things. There is not "just one voice" telling you what is correct. Here you have the opportunity to gather many different pieces of information. Furthermore, you have a DUTY to do so, since no one else will be responsible for your decision.

Good luck.
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