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Old 12-31-2005, 06:47 PM   #1
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This morning, my daughter called me from Wisconsin, and we talked for a couple of hours. Anyway, She told me about this book, and after checking it out, I thought some of you who had not heard of it would be interested. I thought it was worth while. You can find a report on it at:


http://hnn.us/articles/7106.html
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Old 12-31-2005, 07:53 PM   #2
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This morning, my daughter called me from Wisconsin, and we talked for a couple of hours. Anyway, She told me about this book, and after checking it out, I thought some of you who had not heard of it would be interested. I thought it was worth while. You can find a report on it at:


http://hnn.us/articles/7106.html
It's a bullshit piece that's been posted and debated here before.
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Old 12-31-2005, 08:45 PM   #3
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It's a bullshit piece that's been posted and debated here before.
I had never heard of it until this morning, and that doesn't change the posibility that there are others in the same boat. However, Since you say it has been debated before, Would you care to tell me why you think the article rates your lovely description???
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Old 12-31-2005, 09:12 PM   #4
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The retarded idea of using a quasi(at best)-science such as psychology to demean someone from a distance is disgraceful.

This man is a quack.
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Old 12-31-2005, 10:20 PM   #5
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The retarded idea of using a quasi(at best)-science such as psychology to demean someone from a distance is disgraceful.

This man is a quack.
Perhaps demeaning, but is the information "INACCURATE"???

PS: I too regard psychology, as rather quackish
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Old 12-31-2005, 11:18 PM   #6
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Psychology is quackish when conducted according to the standards of the profession.

Attempting to diagnose someone you have never examined is a blaant violation of the standards of the profession, such as they are. Any "diagnosis" reached by such unethical methods is suspect at best.

The "doctor" who published this should be sanctioned or stripped of his license.

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Old 01-01-2006, 01:47 AM   #7
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Maybe he went to the same med school as Bill Frist, where they learn how to diagnose from watching edited videotape. That kind of thing is a great skill to have, and I speak from experience. I changed my oil by phone once. Didn't get a drop on me.
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Old 01-01-2006, 02:08 AM   #8
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I had never heard of it until this morning, and that doesn't change the posibility that there are others in the same boat. However, Since you say it has been debated before, Would you care to tell me why you think the article rates your lovely description???
First of all, a real doctor wouldn't try and diagnose someone from afar. Secondly, a real doctor wouldn't go public with his opinion about the mental health of anyone, much less, the POTUS.
The guy is nothing more than a quack out to make a buck by telling Democrats what they want to hear.
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Old 01-01-2006, 04:52 AM   #9
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It's a profit-seeking self-serving piece from a person who never diagnosed him personally. Any doctor with a real patient relationship would get sued for what he did given it would be a breach of that relationship. I think the misleading title could and should cause an ethical violation of any professional licences he has given it suggests that he had Bush "on the couch" and therefore professionally diagnosed him.
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Old 01-01-2006, 06:03 AM   #10
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First of all, a real doctor wouldn't try and diagnose someone from afar. Secondly, a real doctor wouldn't go public with his opinion about the mental health of anyone, much less, the POTUS.
The guy is nothing more than a quack out to make a buck by telling Democrats what they want to hear.
SO then Frist is not a real doctor?
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Old 01-01-2006, 10:07 AM   #11
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SO then Frist is not a real doctor?
I'm assuming this is in reference to the Schiavo case and if my memory serves me right, Frist is a cardiovascular surgeon. He's not qualified as a neurologist and therefore shouldn't be making a neurologic diagnosis, especially from a video. To do so is quackery, IMO.
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Old 01-01-2006, 10:55 AM   #12
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OK so you agree he is a quack then. I can live with that.
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Old 01-01-2006, 11:22 AM   #13
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SO then Frist is not a real doctor?
He is an MD, so one can claim he is a "real" doctor.

That said, he is not a neurologist and had no actual contact with Schaivo - his medical opinion on her case was less than useful.

It was, IMHO, unethical for him to assert clinical knowledge of her case when he had never seen her.

So he is a real doctor - who really abandoned his medical ethics for political gain. Worse than a fake doctor, in my book.

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Old 01-01-2006, 11:30 AM   #14
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Matt it was a lay on Mrs. M's words to get here to respond as she did. I know you two didn't claim at the time 6 months after the event no one would remember Schiavo, but a lot on here did at I just love it when they are proven wrong.

Moreover I didn't realize how thin the support for Frist was among conservative, a catagory I would place both of you in, not extremists but deffinately conservative.
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Old 01-01-2006, 11:33 AM   #15
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I was less than happy with a whole lot of the Conservative leadership during the Schaivo affair.

Much less than happy.

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Old 01-01-2006, 01:30 PM   #16
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First of all, a real doctor wouldn't try and diagnose someone from afar. Secondly, a real doctor wouldn't go public with his opinion about the mental health of anyone, much less, the POTUS.
The guy is nothing more than a quack out to make a buck by telling Democrats what they want to hear.
But that also goes both ways. Because the Republicans will also say what they want to hear.

So what is the difference here?
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Old 01-01-2006, 02:46 PM   #17
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Strangely, Not one of you has answered my question. Quack or no qwack, WAS THE INFORMATION ACCURATE??? (Even an idiot can get something right Sometimes)
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Old 01-01-2006, 02:49 PM   #18
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SO then Frist is not a real doctor?
Actually, I was the one who mentioned Frist, not Mrs. M.. During the Terri Sciavo national embarrassment Frist watched an edited video of her and proclaimed he believed she could recuperate. After a small army of experts who had actually SEEN the woman had said she was well beyond any help at all he then said he made that statement as "a senator and not a doctor" (not an exact quote). It's nice that you can say something so outrageously stupid and unprofessional in the first place and THEN imply he could make long distance medical diagnoses, only as a senator and NOT a doctor.

After that, even with his solid past reputation and credentials, I have to say no, I do NOT think he is a "real" doctor. At least not a competant one anyway.
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Old 01-01-2006, 02:51 PM   #19
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Strangely, Not one of you has answered my question. Quack or no qwack, WAS THE INFORMATION ACCURATE??? (Even an idiot can get something right Sometimes)
I'm not a psychiatrist nor a psychologist and as for as I know, no one else here is either so I believe we are all unqualified to psychoanalyze the President.
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Old 01-01-2006, 02:54 PM   #20
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Actually, I was the one who mentioned Frist, not Mrs. M.. During the Terri Sciavo national embarrassment Frist watched an edited video of her and proclaimed he believed she could recuperate. After a small army of experts who had actually SEEN the woman had said she was well beyond any help at all he then said he made that statement as "a senator and not a doctor" (not an exact quote). It's nice that you can say something so outrageously stupid and unprofessional in the first place and THEN imply he could make long distance medical diagnoses, only as a senator and NOT a doctor.

After that, even with his solid past reputation and credentials, I have to say no, I do NOT think he is a "real" doctor. At least not a competant one anyway.
Yes but it was MRs. M who claimed no "real" doctor would make a long distance diagnosis.
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