[JosephEL]

A few weeks ago some of us were engaged in a discussion of "Tookie" Williams. Staying in form with most discussions on this forum it past from issue to issue from the death penalty to riots. I fully understand that we are a nation of ADD'ed citizens and have selective memories, but there is one issue that I would like to focus on in particular. I hope that those of you who posted in that thread would be so kind as to entertain this one briefly for the sake of my understanding.
The days following Mr. William's execution were nice and quite suitable for rioting. So now, after all the speculation has dissipated, I ask for an intelligent, well-thought explaination of why no riots took place.
Nobody likes a person who gloats, and by no means is that what I am doing. As I stated before, I would like some understanding on how some of you came to a conclusion that, IMO would be absurd and unfonded to anyone who views things thoughtfully and realistically.
One more prediction, this time I hope I'm wrong. I think that not many people in general will defend their positions once it has been proven wrong, but secondly, I fear those who show the fortitude to do so won't come humbly or thoughtfully. In any event, I hope I am wrong on both of these predictions.

p.s. Sorry if I've posted this in the wrong area.

[Thomaswhitee]

Closure?

Yikes. Fucking pop-psychology.

[HaroldMY]

Closure?

Yikes. Fucking pop-psychology.

One down.

[Hbkj89D2]

I never thought there would be riots in america. However for the folks who believe that the death penalty is barbaric, there is no closure.

[Czrzftmz]

I never thought there would be riots in america. However for the folks who believe that the death penalty is barbaric, there is no closure.

I don't really care about the death penalty one way or the other. At this time it is a penalty of murder. I think it needs to be refined as not to execute innocents, but hey-you gotta break a few eggs to make an omlette.

As far as this thread goes however, the proof is in the pudding regarding this web sites most boisterous posters. Madmike chimed in with enlightening, insightful words for all to live by, but can't face the mirror as many of the other will stubbornly refuse to do. I think I have my unasked question answered.

Thank-you all for you non-participation.

[esdfsdflast]

The failed prediction shows that the far right merely attack as a way of political discourse. They don't make accurrate predictions or observations, they just demonize and spread hate. Since they never had any intention of trying to help poor African-Americans or to understand their plight, it's neither a surprise that they make things up and then refuse to account the discovery of their untruthful attacks.

[foltdan]

I leave the psychobabble to the liberals. For me it's enough that Tookie won't be getting any parole.
As to why no riot? Just before Christmas, with all those pretty TVs and all those glitzy store shelves cramned full?
Who knows?
Hell, who knows what sets those people off in the first place.

[Arbinknit]

I leave the psychobabble to the liberals. For me it's enough that Tookie won't be getting any parole.
As to why no riot? Just before Christmas, with all those pretty TVs and all those glitzy store shelves cramned full?
Who knows?
Hell, who knows what sets those people off in the first place.

"those people"?

Worthy of Philip, was that.

I'll stand aside now, as I suspect WEB is about to tear you a new one. Enjoy.

Matt

[zoolissentesy]

The failed prediction shows that the far right merely attack as a way of political discourse. They don't make accurrate predictions or observations, they just demonize and spread hate. Since they never had any intention of trying to help poor African-Americans or to understand their plight, it's neither a surprise that they make things up and then refuse to account the discovery of their untruthful attacks.

One good thing is exposed from this, at least. The government has no business "helping" or "understanding" anyone's plight.

[Fegemiembendy]

"those people"?

Worthy of Philip, was that.

I'll stand aside now, as I suspect WEB is about to tear you a new one. Enjoy.

Matt

Don't give me that phoney liberal love crap.
"Those people" are always the same ones. They rob, steal, loot when they think they can get away with it.
I watched CNN interview a businessman right after the Watts riot, they were asking him what it would take for "those people" to pull themselves out of poverty.
The guy was my kind of gentleman, he did not mealymouth around and stated they would have to learn how to work.
The idiot CNN liberal reporter then stated "Oh, you mean they need a adult education program teaching them certain skills.
The guy said "No! I mean you have to teach them to come to work on time, every day, clean and sober and be ready to take orders.
End of interview.
Those people.
Yeah we all know them.
We watched those people work in New Orleans just recently.
So don't give me any of that hypocrit malarky. There is a very good reason why those people live like animals in slums the police are afraid to enter.
Just in case you don't get it yet, Tookie was one of those people.
Most blacks are not those kind of people. They go to work like everyone else, pay their taxes and support those people.

[shodulsilfeli]

Tookie was one of those people.
Most blacks are not those kind of people. They go to work like everyone else, pay their taxes and support those people.

Well that's not too bad. Could have been a lot worse. Certainly seen a lot worse.

In any case, it's fairly obvious what the LA riots were about. Blacks living in a ghetto and then throwing police brutality on top of it and then throwing institutional racism on top of that too (aquittal of those cops).

[heennaRaf]

One good thing is exposed from this, at least. The government has no business "helping" or "understanding" anyone's plight.

You're just some kid who thinks it's fun to play cowboys and Indians. (You probably wouldn't recognize that you are part "Indian" but I digress. ) So yeah, you want everyone to be fighting and killing and liberalism is annoying because it tell's you that's bad. That's basically all your saying in your posts. You just phrase it differently in your posts.

[carline]

Well that's not too bad. Could have been a lot worse. Certainly seen a lot worse.

In any case, it's fairly obvious what the LA riots were about. Blacks living in a ghetto and then throwing police brutality on top of it and then throwing institutional racism on top of that too (aquittal of those cops).

Correction:
Some blacks living in a ghetto of their own making, suffering justified police brutality and claiming institutional rascism as they always do when they don't get their own way.
Rodney King eventually proved the cops right.

[wheettebott]

Correction:
Some blacks living in a ghetto of their own making, suffering justified police brutality and claiming institutional rascism as they always do when they don't get their own way.
Rodney King eventually proved the cops right.

Blacks didn't make the ghetto, they were made from things as racial covenants and white flight. I don't know why you think police brutality is justified and I really don't care. You're posts are mainly for amusement anyhow.

[deackatera]

You're just some kid who thinks it's fun to play cowboys and Indians. (You probably wouldn't recognize that you are part "Indian" but I digress. ) So yeah, you want everyone to be fighting and killing and liberalism is annoying because it tell's you that's bad. That's basically all your saying in your posts. You just phrase it differently in your posts.

Do you actually have any counterpoint to what I say, or is all you can do mischaracterize it in a vain attempt to intimidate other people into not reading what I say?

[PVaQlNaP]

Blacks didn't make the ghetto, they were made from things as racial covenants and white flight. I don't know why you think police brutality is justified and I really don't care. You're posts are mainly for amusement anyhow.

That is so sad because your's are neither amusing nor informative.
You try to come accross as a thinker but always fall short of the mark.
You follow that up with insults in order to stiffle criticism.

I don't know what you mean by racial covenants but white flight is interesting because it's absurd. Once you explain what you mean by racial covenants I will also show that to be absurd as well and will do it free of charge.
White flight includes folks of all races, including Blacks who have bettered themselves and are looking for better places for their families.
I bet even you know there are people of all races, origins, religions and all that living in the burbs. White flight is a preposterous name for what is really "The flight of the decent people".
In effect the flight of the decent people is a sort of filter that leaves the dregs of society behind while the creme moves on to better places for their families.
Police brutality is justified if the officers are in fear of their lives, are trying to subdue a resisting subject, are facing an armed subject and so on.
I tend to give the cops a lot of leeway because they stand between me and the bad guys.
The cops knew Rodney King was a habitual petty criminal and had plenty of reasons to subdue him as quickly as possible.

[Pharmaciest2007]

That is so sad because your's are neither amusing nor informative. You try to come accross as a thinker but always fall short of the mark. You follow that up with insults in order to stiffle criticism.

You generally talk out of your ass. You are ignorant. Your religious bigotry and partisanship is no different from Osama Bin Laden and Al Qaeda. The 'thinking' and "informative" value is the same as for those groups. You're a disgrace to this country and a liability for your own party.

I don't know what you mean by racial covenants

Of course you don't. That would mean you knew what the fuck you were talking about.

but white flight is interesting because it's absurd.

To an ignorant fool.

Once you explain what you mean by racial covenants I will also show that to be absurd as well and will do it free of charge.

So, even though you don't know what I'm talking about, you already know it's wrong? That just shows that the facts or the truth have no value to you. You are just advancing your agenda but are too dishonest to say so bluntly.

White flight includes folks of all races, including Blacks who have bettered themselves and are looking for better places for their families.

You say so, but since you don't know what racial covenants are, you are talking out of your ass.

I bet even you know there are people of all races, origins, religions and all that living in the burbs. White flight is a preposterous name for what is really "The flight of the decent people".
In effect the flight of the decent people is a sort of filter that leaves the dregs of society behind while the creme moves on to better places for their families.

The "dregs of society?" So much for your professed faith in Christianity. I would have thought a Christian would not try to separate people and look down upon them. You're awfully hateful and elitist for someone who claims to be a believer in that religion.

Police brutality is justified if the officers are in fear of their lives, are trying to subdue a resisting subject, are facing an armed subject and so on.

Well, I can only hope that you resist arrest someday and it happens to you.

I tend to give the cops a lot of leeway because they stand between me and the bad guys.

No, you are the bad guys, and you want all sorts of cruelty exacted on people, but you wouldn't have the guts to do it without some sort of advantage. I'm saying that I believe you are a coward.

[verizon]

Typical comeback from you.
You don't know Jack, so you resort to insults.
The cure for that is to put you on my "ignore list".
You don't know Jack, which you have shown with your really ignorant reply.

[Nautilus]

Correction:
Some blacks living in a ghetto of their own making, suffering justified police brutality and claiming institutional rascism as they always do when they don't get their own way.
Rodney King eventually proved the cops right.

Justified police brutality? Is that like "justified stupidity"? You seem to display a support of both.

Clearly, you have no idea what instituional racism is. I'll hold my thoughts on why you don't know and why you choose to speak about it anyway. But suffice it to say that a pattern of racial preference and racial bias that cannot be explained by other factors constitutes institutional or systematic racism.

Sometimes, "guilty" whites will try to explain it by other factors, including economics, extent of crime (in the cases of offenders), laziness, or any manner of things. However, the fact remains that racism is pervasive on our society, and its reach extends far beyond epithets and sitting in the back of the bus. "Guilty" whites rarely want to admit this, sometimes because they're too ignorant to know, and sometimes because it would make them feel more "guilty" for their own tacit support, and sometimes because it would destroy their illusion of a merit-based system that they've navigated based on their "own merit" (iow, it would bruise their ego).

But, you did say one thing almost right (except for the "animals" part):

There is a very good reason why those people live like animals in slums the police are afraid to enter.

The reason is that some people have a very vested interest in creating and perpetuating these circumstances. And other people can't tell the difference, and so they support it by condone and encouraging it, so that at the end of the day, they can know that they're "better" than "those people."

[Depolit]

Justified police brutality? Is that like "justified stupidity"? You seem to display a support of both.

Clearly, you have no idea what instituional racism is. I'll hold my thoughts on why you don't know and why you choose to speak about it anyway. But suffice it to say that a pattern of racial preference and racial bias that cannot be explained by other factors constitutes institutional or systematic racism.

Sometimes, "guilty" whites will try to explain it by other factors, including economics, extent of crime (in the cases of offenders), laziness, or any manner of things. However, the fact remains that racism is pervasive on our society, and its reach extends far beyond epithets and sitting in the back of the bus. "Guilty" whites rarely want to admit this, sometimes because they're too ignorant to know, and sometimes because it would make them feel more "guilty" for their own tacit support, and sometimes because it would destroy their illusion of a merit-based system that they've navigated based on their "own merit" (iow, it would bruise their ego).

But, you did say one thing almost right (except for the "animals" part):



The reason is that some people have a very vested interest in creating and perpetuating these circumstances. And other people can't tell the difference, and so they support it by condone and encouraging it, so that at the end of the day, they can know that they're "better" than "those people."

Leaving your ad hominem aside, let me try to takle your emotional outburst with a bit of logic and restraint.
Sure there is racism in America.
Most of it is diplayed by Blacks against Whites however and it manifests itself in the constant whine of "those mean whites are picking on us again" but it does not explain Black failures all accross the spectrum of society.
Black Ghettos are self created by those blacks who are incapable or unwilling to lift themselves out of them.
Other Blacks have no trouble moving on to the suburbs and I guess you consider them to be Uncle Toms simply because they don't buy into the "po', po' pitiful me" culture and have moved into the American mainstream.
Your stupid outburst about evil whites simply can't explain the millions of Blacks who happily reside in White Suburbia and yes, they do at times experience racism and pejudice but they roll past it, they let it run off their backs like water off a duck's ass. They don't cry their life away wishing whites would do more for them.
If they can do this despite some racism on the part of Whites, then the rest of the Black community remaining in the ghettos have absolutely no excuse and no one to blame but themselves.
The Black whine of Whites not doing enough for them is worn out.
Nobody gives a shit anymore because most people of all colors know it's just an excuse and a crutch for failure.
Blacks excuse failure just as much as asian immigrants revell and admire success.
So cry your heart out about mean old whites, it won't get you jack.
You can either get off your ass and really apply yourself or start admiring the ghetto because nobody but yourself is ever going to help you up.
The only thing welfare gets blacks is more blacks on welfare and absolutely no respect.
So cry on, and some people will stupidly cluck sympathetic remarks to you, but nobody is going to help you up except you.
If you want to know why you failed, go look in the mirror.
There you will be confronted with the person responsible for all your failures and problems.
The Black whine is pathetic and a huge joke to everyone and just as tiresome.