[QWNPdpr5]

Lets see......you seem to be real concerned with the alcohol thing, is that a big part of your personal happiness? Before you go off on America and it's freedoms, perhaps you should spend some time in the USA and then make your judgement call.

Dont need to! I know lots of people who been there, thats good enough for me bro!

[HQTheodore]

The EU consists of independent sovereign nations, its not one country like the U.S is suppose to be. The other Scandinavian countrys are as I said exceptions when it comes to alcohol.

Maybe you got me when it comes to the "publicly offends or insults", I´ll give you that! But what about the extreme censur on non caple U.S television? (we have no censur on danish tv at all). If thats not lack of freedom of speech then I dont know what. A lot of words like fuck, shit and bitch are illegal, just as nudity and even a "fuck finger" Hippocratic! Besides that a lot of books like "Little black sambo" have been banned from the U.S market because they are supposed to be offensive towards nigrows. Come again dude!

So your idea of freedom has expanded from beinng able to be drunk in public to hearing people swear on television. Obviously that is far more freedom than facing prosecution for "offending" someone's religion or speech that someone finds "degarding" or "deriding" to a particular group. I guess we're just "hippocrats" in the US.

By the way, if Little Black Sambo has been banned in the US, somebody better tell Amazon.com and Barnes & Noble.

[tsovimnpb]

2. You appear to be confusing freedom with freedom from personal responsibility. With rights and privledges comes responsibility, a fact commonly lost on US Democrats and liberals.

So only us Independents understand that?????

[JewJoleSole]

Dont need to! I know lots of people who been there, thats good enough for me bro!

So before you ever had sex, knowing someone who had would equal the experience?

[wasssallx]

Nope! They dont tell us that at all. Only civil lawsuits can be made in regards to what is holy or not! See earlier post!

In the US, you cannot sue someone for blasphemy. The government does not recognize the concept that a person can be punished for failing to show due respect to someone else's religious icon.

In your country, the government does allow someone to be punished for failing to show respect to someone else's religious icon.

Pretty simple to see which country repects freedom of speech.

Matt

[w4HPpbSW]

In the US, you cannot sue someone for blasphemy. The government does not recognize the concept that a person can be punished for failing to show due respect to someone else's religious icon.

In your country, the government does allow someone to be punished for failing to show respect to someone else's religious icon.

Pretty simple to see which country repects freedom of speech.

Matt

Hey, a small price to pay for liquor at the grocery store............

[baskentt]

I have never heard about anyone denieng holocaust being put to jail in the EU. Not in the last 3 decades anyway!

I can think of at least two high-profile cases of German nationals that have been extradited from Canada to stand trial for such in Germany. Apparently those Europeans who are inclined to make such statements are very quick to run away to Canada in thier attempts to avoid the legal ramifications of their actions.

Indeed, your lack of awareness of the issue doesn't constitute a negation of it.

[dXI9XFOA]

In the US, you cannot sue someone for blasphemy. The government does not recognize the concept that a person can be punished for failing to show due respect to someone else's religious icon.

Who says?

Methinks that with some good lawyer and a big fat wallet to pay for them, one might be able to sue someone in civil court for such, though 'failing to show sufficient respect' is a rather high bar - more likely a case could be made by one making a show of disrespect.

[AndyScouchek]

"Whoever publicly, or with intention to disseminating in a larger circle makes statements or other pronouncement, by which a group of persons is threatened, derided or degraded because of their race, colour of skin, national or ethnic background, faith or sexual orientation, will be punished by fine or imprisonment for up to 2 years.
Sec. 2. When meting out the punishment it shall be considered an especially aggravating circumstance, if the count has the character of propaganda."


Careful there wally, you might be on the verge of breaking Danish law.

Then again, I can't say I feel "derided" or "degraded" as an American (national background) by being called a hippocrat.

[slowlexrese]

Who says?

Methinks that with some good lawyer and a big fat wallet to pay for them, one might be able to sue someone in civil court for such.

OTOH, Denmark specifically enacted laws to allow for suits based on blasphemy.

Actually, they allow the jailing of someone who "publicly offends or insults a religion that is recognized in the country".

http://www.dw-world.de/dw/article/0,...894686,00.html

So yes, the government of Denmark can put you in prison for failing to bow to someone's holy icon.

Freedom my achin' ass.

Matt

[Nafheense]

In the US, you cannot sue someone for blasphemy. The government does not recognize the concept that a person can be punished for failing to show due respect to someone else's religious icon.

In your country, the government does allow someone to be punished for failing to show respect to someone else's religious icon.

Pretty simple to see which country repects freedom of speech.

Matt

That law are dead meat in practical! And theres lot off pressure on to get rid of it. Exsample: The muhammed cartoons where not even the muslims could raise a case against the nawspaper!

Do you really want me to believe that its not possible to make a civil lawsuit for blasphemy or racism in the U.S?

[krasniyluch]

Originally Posted by Wallaroo
I have never heard about anyone denieng holocaust being put to jail in the EU. Not in the last 3 decades anyway!

I'm sure Ernst Zundel (on trial in Germany for holocaust denial) and David Irving (currently in prison awaiting the start of his trial in Austria for holocaust denial) would like that to be the case.

In 2003 Siegfried Verbeke was sent to prison in Belgium for violating holocaust denial laws. Does it count even though you didn't hear about it?

I guess Gaston-Armand Amaudruz being sent to prison in 2000 by a Swiss court for holocaust denial doesn't count.

[citalopram]

That law are dead meat in practical! And theres lot off pressure on to get rid of it. Exsample: The muhammed cartoons where not even the muslims could raise a case against the nawspaper!

Do you really want me to believe that its not possible to make a civil lawsuit for blasphemy or racism in the U.S?

Well, if you do come to believe that, it will probably account for a net doubling of your knowledge of the US. So far, your knowledge of the US appears to be nearly non-existant.

As blasphemy laws, the US Supreme Court ruled as follows:

"...It is not the business of government in our nation to suppress real or imagined attacks upon a particular religious doctrine, whether they appear in publications, speeches or motion pictures."

oseph Burstyn, Inc v Wilson, 1952

We did away with those laws over a half century ago.

You are still putting people in jail for the same thing today.

Free speech in the EU? Not really.

Matt

[Anteneprorid]

It makes me laugh when Americans brags about their freedom. Whats so special about it I ask? (except the right to own a handgun)

Freedom of speech? All EU countrys have that and it even goes further than in the US. Americans are in opposite to the EU citizens not even allowed to buy alcohol in supermarkets, but have to go to special liquor stores (just like in Sweden and Norway) and further its illegal to walk around in public under the influence of alcohol (HA HA! So you have to sleep it out in the bar before going home) Baah! So much for the state not interfering with peoples lives.

Is there any purpose to this line of discussion other than a parallel of the old favorite "My dad could beat your dad in a fight any day of the week!"

Perhaps, beneath the bombastic self-congratulation to which you subject your unfortunate readers, there might be something worth discussion, such as why different freedoms are embraced or rejected in different countries? Of course, if I've interrupted your nationalistic masturbation with a suggestion for intelligent discussion, I apologize.

[BEKREUNSEPBERw]

Maybe you have won this thread when it comes to freedom of blasphemy, good for you! But freedom is not only about free speech, as most Americans seems to think.

The American constitution provides a great deal of freedom for the people, agreed! But thats not worth much in a country so decentralized as America, because personal freedom is not respected in the state level and in the lower communities. In one state for instance (dont remember which) its illegal for persons of different race to get married. Hard to find laws like that in the EU!(The chain is not stronger than the weakest link you guys)

I think all Americans in this forum should check out the web-page www.dumblaws.com which is a great example on how much the local parts of the U.S unnecessary interferes with peoples lives. Then come back and tell me that you live in a free country!

[AutocadOemM]

Most if not all are outdated and not enforced. Just like you claimed your anti-blasphemy laws were.

The difference is your country still jails people for them, ours does not.

But hey, keep up the "America sucks" chant if you want.....

Matt

[R1king]

"In one state for instance (dont remember which) its illegal for persons of different race to get married."

The US Supreme Court struck down state anti-miscegenation laws about 40 years ago. No state can prohibit marriage between persons of different races, and no state has such a law still on the books.

And if a couple in the US has a child, it won't have to worry that the government will reject the name they choose, unlike in Denmark.

"People expecting children can choose a pre-approved name from a government list of 7,000 mostly Western European and English names -- 3,000 for boys, 4,000 for girls. A few ethnic names, like Ali and Hassan, have recently been added. But those wishing to deviate from the official list must seek permission at their local parish church, where all newborns' names are registered. A request for an unapproved name triggers a review at Copenhagen University's Names Investigation Department and at the Ministry of Ecclesiastical Affairs, which has the ultimate authority. The law only applies if one of the parents is Danish.

Many parents do not realize how difficult it can be to get a name approved by the government. About 1,100 names are reviewed every year, and 15 percent to 20 percent are rejected, mostly for odd spellings. Compound surnames, like Tan-Farnsden, also pose a problem."

http://www.perfect-baby-names.com/Da...s-article.html

[Desflahd]

It makes me laugh when Americans brags about their freedom. Whats so special about it I ask? (except the right to own a handgun)

Freedom of speech? All EU countrys have that and it even goes further than in the US. Americans are in opposite to the EU citizens not even allowed to buy alcohol in supermarkets, but have to go to special liquor stores (just like in Sweden and Norway) and further its illegal to walk around in public under the influence of alcohol (HA HA! So you have to sleep it out in the bar before going home) Baah! So much for the state not interfering with peoples lives.

In most places, you can buy alcahol in supermarkets as well as beverage centers. Only in a few select places, based on the rights of its citizens, have elected not to have liquor sold. The difference between Denmark and the US is that local government, not US federal, can dictate whether alcahol can be served or not. Right to free speech is much more pronounced in the US than in Europe or in most other places. It is quite obviuos you are 18 or 19, have not traveled much and have no clue about the world around you.

[Hixinfineedom]

Maybe you have won this thread when it comes to freedom of blasphemy, good for you! But freedom is not only about free speech, as most Americans seems to think.

The American constitution provides a great deal of freedom for the people, agreed! But thats not worth much in a country so decentralized as America, because personal freedom is not respected in the state level and in the lower communities. In one state for instance (dont remember which) its illegal for persons of different race to get married. Hard to find laws like that in the EU!(The chain is not stronger than the weakest link you guys)

I think all Americans in this forum should check out the web-page www.dumblaws.com which is a great example on how much the local parts of the U.S unnecessary interferes with peoples lives. Then come back and tell me that you live in a free country!

Nice time machine, can I borrow it?
If you can wait a few years, it will be legal to marry just about anything in California.

[Kubasarika]

[QUOTE=Speakeasy]LOL! You come onto a message board that is mainly used by Americans, then proceed to say a whole bunch of nonsense and expect people to believe it?QUOTE]

I think it's called "flaming"