[avaincmolla]

Spadplanter LOL! I liked your avatar before you added those silly words......why not add some real Ted Kennedy words?

How about "Ah, don't worry, she'll get out of the car herself....."

Matt

[Yartonbler]

It does seem rather telling that the majority opinion here amongst Republican supporters is that Dean must go.

Does that tell anyone anything?

Like an overwhelming majority of Democrat supports would like to see Rove gone too - for similar reasons.

If you follow what Dean has actually been doing in his job, you'd know why the RNC doesn't like him. His own politics/opinions are irrelevant because he has no say over policy. He's a party organiser and a damn good one. He has really turned around the internal workings of the party (which is why many Democrats don't like him either - he's shaking up the 'status quo' big-labour establishment that has long dominated the DNC's administration).

In other words, if every Republican partisan on this board thinks Dean ought to be replaced - that means Dean is doing a damn good job.

[SasortFkire]

It does seem rather telling that the majority opinion here amongst Republican supporters is that Dean must go.

Does that tell anyone anything?

It tells me that you didn't read the thread

Danny is hardly a "republican partisan". He called for Dean to go.

Not sure where Alex stands - he called for Dean to go, and noted that that would make the Republicans sad.

Spadplanter - whom you would surely label a "Republican partisan" wants Dean to stay right where he is.

Gadfly - surely more partisan that Spad - is happy with Dean where he is.

You've completely misread this one, in my opinon, Michael.

The Republicans are VERY happy with Dean where he is. He's one of the best things that could happen to the Dems, from a Republican point of view.

The rest just wish Mary Jo had gotten out of Teddy's car, instead of Teddy........

Matt

[estelle]

It does seem rather telling that the majority opinion here amongst Republican supporters is that Dean must go. .....

I think you missed something. Most GOPers want Dean to stay where he is. That pretty much renders your argument moot.

[Abaanto]

MM - I don't think you could be farther from reality on this one.
The ONLY people who like Dean where he is, is the Republicans and the far left.
The majority of Americans see him as a "blathering blowhard" - his latest outrage is comparing our President to the Iranian President - stooooopid!! Only idealistic morons like Hollywood and Air America think this is a good thing to say.

[MannyLopez]

Howard Dean is one of the best things that has ever happened to the Republicans. I'm with all those who want him to stay. Put him in front of the party, pull his cord and let him expose the Liberals for what they really are.

Todd

[Nurfzerne]

Yes.

Goooooo mr. kennedy.

Goooooo mr. Kerry

Goooooo mr. Dean

Goooooo mrs. pelosi

Goooooo mrs. clinton

Conservatives LOVE these people.

[Faungarne]

The Republican party on the other hand is quick to remove extremists.

I'm not so sure about this. They seem to have a hard time getting rid of the Bush/Cheney/Rove crowd who have their nuts in a vice grip.

I dont like Dean. I equate him to Zel Miller. Good for a cheap shop now and then but you'll notice Zel is gone and Dean should be too.

People like Feinstein, Bayh, John Kerry (yes Kerry), Carl Levin, Joe Bidden, Obama and even Barbara Boxer... these are the people who you want speaking for the party. They can send a strong message unlike Polosi, Sharpton ad Dean for crying out loud (good riddance to Tom Daschle too). BTW Kerry would have been great but he was overwhelmed by the Rove attack machine thus creating the leftist tag he now carries.

[HondasMenFox]

all the conservatives on this thread act as though the republican party is in a perfect state. two posts before this, some lunatic was saying conservatives love john kerry? get your shit right man, kerry got 49% of the vote, argueably more. the republicans dont "love" someone who has the capability to beat them, not to mention the credentials. the same goes for clinton, and edwards, two respectable senator's who have support from their whole party. saying that republicans "love" senator's will huge support is just wrong.

[weightpillsnow]

I agree the Repubs are scared to shit that Hilary might win. I suspect they'll attack her like they did Kerry.

[Sleedyhex]

I agree the Repubs are scared to shit that Hilary might win. I suspect they'll attack her like they did Kerry.

Like Democrats don't demonize Republicans. LOL! What a farce.

Sure, any candidate of either party that runs for President is going to get ripped appart. Goes with the territory.
Don't try to pretend the Democrats don't do it. Democrats just lose better than Republicans.

Both parties lie their asses off, so basically the voters are left with voting for whichever party's lies they like better and with the philosophical differences.
I hate Liberals so chances are I will again vote straight Republican and then go home and take a long hot shower.

[CreativeAcrobate]

It does seem rather telling that the majority opinion here amongst Republican supporters is that Dean must go.

Actually, the majority conservative opinion is that Dean is best serving our cause by staying where he is. One of the rules of politics, is that if your opponent is self-destructing, stand back and shut up.

[idobestbuyonlinepp]

It tells me that you didn't read the thread
Danny is hardly a "republican partisan". He called for Dean to go.

Yes, I realise that Danny is not a "republican partisan" at all.

It was the reactions of the 'republican partisans' in this thread that I was commenting upon.

As for Dean, he's certainly shaking up the DNC establishment - trying to replace the organising dependence upon big labour with a more solid and well-organised grass-roots and net-roots base. That is good politics but is likely to raise a point of conflict with the 'status quo' Democrats who don't like the aggressive internal changes that have their goal of reducing the power of the DNC. In other words, Dean is 'decentralising' the Democratic party and the big-wigs definitely don't like it. On this basis, it is quite possible that some Democratic partisans may object to Dean.

As noted previously, the chairman of the DNC does not control or influence policy in any way - it is purely an 'organising' position. In other words, only partisan fanatics and political junkies pay attention to what he says.

[Manteiv]

You said that all the Republican partisans wanted him to go, so that shoudl tell us something about his performance.

You were quite wrong - the Republican partisans want him to stay as the head of the DNC. He is an inspiring leader. The effects of his "I have a scream" speech were amazing.

Republican partisans wish nothing more than that he continue that success not just on his own behalf, but for the entire Democratic party.

Matt

[AgJ5mNXM]

I think it would be a great thing for the United States if Howard Dean, Nancy Pelosi, and Harry Reid were each named to their posts for life!

[searkibia]

Dean's main problem is that he heads the DNC, a Center-Right coalition of Corporate Democrats who would fit well into the now-purged Rockefeller-wing of the Republican Party.

These guys want to have their base and eat the PACs too.

For example: In June, 2005, as Edwards began his genuflection to the Progressives by attacking free trade/Wall Street, it was the DNC (then under McCauliffe) who put the pressure on (FYI, so did Kerry) to suck nuts with the corporate leaders the very day after his 'Two Americas' speech, telling them 'Nothing would change' under a Kerry Admin.

DNC's fave as a candidate last time?

Joe Lieberman.

So the actions contradict the rhetoric.

[zzquo0iR]

As a conservative, I want Howie Dean to continue to be the DNC Chairman. It's in the best interests of the Republican Party if Howie stays the Chairman. Not only it would be also beneficial if Howie names Cindy Sheehan and Harry Belafonte as DNC spokespersons. Howie, Cindy and Harry, that is just what the DNC deserves IMO.

[kranskregyan]

Yeah well, the funny part is there are a lot of Democrats who agree with you.
According to most liberals the only reason Democrats keep losing at election time is because they are not liberal enough.
I agree. I think Democrats should run on what they really want. Just let it all hang out and be honest for a change.
Tell Americans you want to establish "The Peoples Republic of the United States of America" with free health care, free housing, free college for all.
Run on your true intentions. You are bound to win.

[uMG6uOSo]

I don't really see how having free housing, free college, and free health care would be bad for the country...But, your original point, running for what you "really want." Laughable. If you truly believe that then Bush should have been hollering about invading Iraq during the 2000 election (which he didnt win.)

[exchpaypaleg]

He has turned into a crazed lunatic of the Cindy Sheehan type. Recently he likened George Bush to the president of Iran on a morning talk show saying the US must not become a country like Iran where the president does what he wants.

http://news.google.ca/url?sa=t&ct=/0...cid=1104166440

He has also critized the plan to build a wall along the US-Mexico border calling the plan anti-immigrant. Dean failed to distinguish between legal and illegal immigration. I dont have a link for that sorry.

The demacrats will surely loose ground in the next election if idiots like Dean and weak figures like Nancy Polosi remain at the helm. People want strong tough and decisive leaders. Is it possible for Dean to be removed? I'm not privy to the rules regarding party leadership.

I'd have to hear more about this before I condem Dean.

The reference to Iran is accurate, in that Bush is currently involved in a huge power grab. Not just the wiretapping, but the way he's cut off press access, withheld information in so many areas and begun appointing judges who feel that the executive branch holds far more power than other presidents have exercized. Frankly, we are moving toward a more totalitarian state under Bush.

The immigration problem... I'd have to know what Deans plans are for fixing the immigration problem. Frankly, I think that we should start granting far more legal access, grant so many people access that those illegally smuggling people in run out of buisness. No wall will keep people out if they really want in. The desire to come here illegally has to be removed, so that the smuggling buisness can dry up.

Dean gets attacked often, but that's to be expected. As yet I haven't seen any truely legitimate criticisms, that weren't taking his words out of context, or made for people that don't follow the news.