[Tribas4u]

So all Americans: Forget that old and out of date constitution, and keep an open mind!

Thanks for that lovely tidbit, but I'll pass.

But we could loan you a copy, since the EU cannot seem to put one together itself........

Matt

[Les Allen]

If you're that worried about Americas laws, don't come here.

Easy as pie.

No trouble at all.

We're happy HERE.

Sounds like you're happy THERE.

No problems.

Everybodies happy.

[Haftdrarp]

As much local independence as possible sure, but only when it comes to laws that are actually depending on local conditions, wich most state laws are not. Neither are the court and prison systems.


Crime is different in different regions. What works in New York City won't work in Cheyenne, Wyoming, and vice versa.

When you travel from one American state to another you dont know your rights or when you are breaking the law, unless you want to read the constitution and lawbooks for every state you enter. I would personally find that werry disturbing!


That slippery slope leads to one world law.

[unapelosina]

Thanks for that lovely tidbit, but I'll pass.

But we could loan you a copy, since the EU cannot seem to put one together itself........

Matt

Wow! I was just thinking, reading this, that Thank God we have the Constitution. What's this trend with all the Europeans and Canadians telling us how bad our country is and blessing us with their utopian vision of how we could make it perfect? I think some of these holier-than-thou types need to take a look at Europe. It's pretty much a fucked up place right now. I don't see any shining examples from over there.

[sandyphoebetvmaa]

Wow! I was just thinking, reading this, that Thank God we have the Constitution. What's this trend with all the Europeans and Canadians telling us how bad our country is and blessing us with their utopian vision of how we could make it perfect? I think some of these holier-than-thou types need to take a look at Europe. It's pretty much a fucked up place right now. I don't see any shining examples from over there.

That may be true, BUT There is a cliche which goes like this

"You can't see the forest for the trees."

It would seem that the american public can't, or at least is not looking past the first tree. I am a Staunch American, but I can still see the problems. Just because other countries have similar problems doesn't mean that those problems should not be pointed out (by whom-so-ever). Nor does it mean those problem do not exist, or are less problematic for us.

[jisee]

Wow! I was just thinking, reading this, that Thank God we have the Constitution. What's this trend with all the Europeans and Canadians telling us how bad our country is and blessing us with their utopian vision of how we could make it perfect? I think some of these holier-than-thou types need to take a look at Europe. It's pretty much a fucked up place right now. I don't see any shining examples from over there.

What it is, is jealousy.

They'd like to convince us to get as fucked up as THEY are.

It upsets 'em that most of us (there ARE a few that believe their bilge) aren't buying the pure nonsense they're trying to convince us of.

Let 'em keep at it.

Hey, they gotta do SOMETHING to make things seem better for them

To convince themselves they're near perfection or better than SOMEBODY else.

It's just therapy for 'em is all. Let 'em enjoy it as much as you can stomach reading it

[Espacamlisa]

It reminds me of Kruschev and his "We Will Bury You" threats. Where's the USSR now?

It really is a compliment that all these shithole countries want to change us to bring us down to their level. The US is a pretty damn nice place, with free speech, the right to defend yourself, no jackboots kicking our doors down, no cars being torched every night, no race riots, no embassies burning, only one day of suicide bombers, and that was 4½ years ago.

[feannigvogten]

What it is, is jealousy.

They'd like to convince us to get as fucked up as THEY are.

It upsets 'em that most of us (there ARE a few that believe their bilge) aren't buying the pure nonsense they're trying to convince us of.

Let 'em keep at it.

Hey, they gotta do SOMETHING to make things seem better for them

To convince themselves they're near perfection or better than SOMEBODY else.

It's just therapy for 'em is all. Let 'em enjoy it as much as you can stomach reading it

OH, I don't know about that, But another of my favorite Chiches (philosophies???) is:

Any fool can find fault but it takes a thinking man (person) to find a working solution."

Perhaps that fits here.

[Rinkeliacasse]

I think that America needs a complete and objective reform of its hole society and political structure...

I'm thinking that the Muslims are saying the same about Denmark these days...

It would be nice to see such criticisms come with some actually substantive policy proposals for achieving the goal, but I'm sure that is beside the point...

[Saqwnht]

OH, I don't know about that, But another of my favorite Chiches (philosophies???) is:

Any fool can find fault but it takes a thinking man (person) to find a working solution."

Perhaps that fits here.

It does.

[Avaboormavoro]

I'm thinking that the Muslims are saying the same about Denmark these days...

It would be nice to see such criticisms come with some actually substantive policy proposals for achieving the goal, but I'm sure that is beside the point...

I think that the criticism I come with is as substantive as it can be considering. Fill out the blanks!

[12dargernswearf]

[QUOTE=Spadplanter]It reminds me of Kruschev and his "We Will Bury You" threats. Where's the USSR now?

It really is a compliment that all these shithole countries want to change us to bring us down to their level. The US is a pretty damn nice place, with free speech,

Beats me how many americans brags about their free speech like it was something unique. All EU country's have that and it even goes further than it does in America.

[BliliBoopsy]

Wallaroo,

Our basic problem here in America is one that was seen before (Gilded Age) compounded by a new, just as deadly (or even more-so) related one: A coup which has ended our republic.

I would ask you to read US History 1880-1941 to see how we 'dealt' with the former last time.

PS: We have no experience in dealing with the latter.

[Kalobbis]

PS: We have no experience in dealing with the latter.

It's hard to have experience dealing with something that never happened.

Matt

[Creelaleps]

You mean 'never happened before'.

[effebrala]

No, I mean "never happened". As in there is no coup.

Yes, I have read Conyers.

There is still no coup.

Matt

[padlabtard]

Well,

Then explain the facts detailed within: specifically the widespread disenfranchisement in predominently Democratic areas and the 'changing' of the vote totals after midnight.

[ycMC0PLg]

Also, thank you for taking the time to read this vital part of current history.

That's an 'honest to God' thank you.

[muBXvWIC]

Back Later.

Helping esposa w/classwork for degree.

[wmzeto]

Well,

Then explain the facts detailed within: specifically the widespread disenfranchisement in predominently Democratic areas and the 'changing' of the vote totals after midnight.

Let me start off by saying that Conyers has an apparent bias - read his conclusions, but change "Democratic" to "Repbulican", and see if you would believe his work fair and unbiased if it did not support your position.

It seems to be that Conyers' conclusions are based on trying to make the data fit the curve - he wanted to find widespread, systematic disenfranchisement and so he did, by interpreting everything in that light.

He completely ignores the actions of people working on behalf of - and directly for - his party:

• ACORN, and the fraudulent voter registrations in Franklin County.
• Democrat favoring groups, like ACT, made calls to registered Republicans, falsely stating that polling places had been moved. These calls were also made from the Kerry-Edwards campaign offices in Marion County - by Kerry-Edwards staffers - , according to an affidavit provided by the chair of the Marion County Democratic Party. See Ohio Republican Party v. Marion County Democratic Party et al
• MoveOn.org activists were ordered by a court to cease voter intimidation in Ohio, which included harrassing voters, wearing "voter protection staff" and "voting rights staff" badges and armbands.

That Conyers ignores these, and other allegations demonstrates that his interest is not in a fair election, but in a partisan witch hunt.

Conyers is therefore not credible, in my opinion, and his report forms no basis for drawing any conclusions about the election.

If he were truly interested in the fairness of the election, he would have examined all reports of violations, not just those that favor his party.

In short, he's a partisan hack.

Matt