[TerAlelmlor]

W.E.B. Du Bois,you are an ace in military.in fact,I don't like readking military books and articles.
Mainland hope unify China in peaceful way with Taiwan "Blue party"'s help
and i have many Taiwan friends.they say:many Taiwanese believe Taiwan will fall down in 1 week.then Green party will step down...

[Itrtuawh]

One cannot even think about a modern amphibious invasion without landing helicopter decks (LHD's). China has none.

[Seisyvose]

the whole sabre rattling over Iran by the Bush admin is just to intimidate European investors to withdraw funds, and to fuel reactionary crack downs on domestic progressive/secular groups by the Mullahs. United States, since the end of WW2, do not attack targets who can fight back. We only take on defenseless countries like Nicaragua, Grenada, Cuba, Iraq, and that sort of countries.

[Rexaviennatutr]

W.E.B. Du Bois,you are an ace in military.in fact,I don't like readking military books and articles.

Thank you.

Mainland hope unify China in peaceful way with Taiwan "Blue party"'s help
and i have many Taiwan friends.they say:many Taiwanese believe Taiwan will fall down in 1 week.then Green party will step down...

Yes, the upcoming elections should be interesting. It seems that the Pan Blue party has been rising and the independence-oriented Pan Green party is in decline.

Well, if anyone wants to re-orient the thread back to the original premises, by all means do so.

[libertiespana]

Yes, the upcoming elections should be interesting. It seems that the Pan Blue party has been rising and the independence-oriented Pan Green party is in decline.
then,How do you think Green party.there is a song names "Green terrorist" in Taiwan(Singer Luo dayou),so many people call Green parties member is "Green terrorist".

and if Bush attack North korea,maybe China will send soldiers into North Korea stealth like 1950s.
which side will win?China or US?
My answer is China.because China 's Navy and Air force is not strong.but Army is powful.in 7-12-1984.there was a very very big fight between China and Vietname,at last more than 3,000 Vietnam soldiers were killed.and about 200-400 China soldiers were dead in one day.the scale is about 10:1

In 1950s,Korea battle field,there were too many China soldiers were dead.because Chinese soldier's weapon is so bad.and they can't get help in Air force:US Air force control the sky

[valentinesdayyy]

and you can see US soldier in Iraq...they don't fit in fight in street.Air force can't help them when they are inside the city.without Air force's help,US soldiers can't do anything.enemy can assault them in the corner,in the dark...but US soldiers even don't know where is enemy

[NerbuitW]

......

Source = An old post of mine.

This is fascinating - but what about an overwhelming invasion of Taiwan - simply sending an occupying army? It's not exactly high-tech, but it has been the answer for invading armies in close proximity.

[vvxtiopmx]

there is a very interesting article about a (Chinese)US soldier's story in Iraq.
http://www.chinabike.net/newbbs/prin...ID=30&ID=50145

[lollypop]

This is fascinating - but what about an overwhelming invasion of Taiwan - simply sending an occupying army? It's not exactly high-tech, but it has been the answer for invading armies in close proximity.

To the bottom of Davie Jones' locker, my friend. The last I heard, China can only move some 10,000 or 30,000 troops at once. Given the enormous amount of losses I expect them to take from anti-ship missiles, given that they won't even land on the beach with heavy tanks, given that the ROC forces will outnumber them on the beaches, I don't think they will do so well.

China does not have that many landing craft, that they can exploit their numerical superiority. Even if they did, it would be a turkey-shoot, IMO.

How do you take Taiwan? You need a lot of multirole (F-16 and F-15E type) as well fighter bombers (i.e. Tornado) to soften up the beach head and the areas surrounding the beach head, then you send in your men. Imagine if the Germans had anti-ship missiles, artillery, anti-tank weapons and huge numbers of infantry at Normandy. It would make Normandy look like a cake walk and the beaches would be totally stained red.

[bomondus]

BTW, China is developing such aircraft, but they have been plagued by technical bottlenecks (engines, radar) that have prevented them from building those aircraft in large numbers. Most of China's modern forces are Russian imports. That is changing, but it's going to take a while since China is starting from absolute zero.

[Tinasblue]

To the bottom of Davie Jones' locker, my friend. The last I heard, China can only move some 10,000 or 30,000 troops at once. Given the enormous amount of losses I expect them to take from anti-ship missiles, given that they won't even land on the beach with heavy tanks, given that the ROC forces will outnumber them on the beaches, I don't think they will do so well.

China does not have that many landing craft, that they can exploit their numerical superiority. Even if they did, it would be a turkey-shoot, IMO.

How do you take Taiwan? You need a lot of multirole (F-16 and F-15E type) as well fighter bombers (i.e. Tornado) to soften up the beach head and the areas surrounding the beach head, then you send in your men. Imagine if the Germans had anti-ship missiles, artillery, anti-tank weapons and huge numbers of infantry at Normandy. It would make Normandy look like a cake walk and the beaches would be totally stained red.

Thanks for an excellent answer - I was not aware that they did not have adequate landing craft. This entire discussion has changed my view on this.

[chuecfafresslds]

Bush said Iraq,Iran and North Korea are rascal country in a speech.now Bush beat Iraq,and I heard that Bush going to attack Iran ,and i believe

after that,will North Korea being Bush's target?

Venezuela and Syria have been added to the empire's hit list.

Iran will be hit next, then Venezuela, then Syria, and Nort Korea will never be invaded, only bombed.

[KirillAristov]

then,How do you think Green party.there is a song names "Green terrorist" in Taiwan(Singer Luo dayou),so many people call Green parties member is "Green terrorist".

Terrorist? Wow. Really, I don't know much about the Green Party. Almost nothing really. I just heard they got beat real bad in the Governors election recently.

and if Bush attack North korea,maybe China will send soldiers into North Korea stealth like 1950s.
which side will win?China or US?
My answer is China.because China 's Navy and Air force is not strong.but Army is powful.in 7-12-1984.there was a very very big fight between China and Vietname,at last more than 3,000 Vietnam soldiers were killed.and about 200-400 China soldiers were dead in one day.the scale is about 10:1

In 1950s,Korea battle field,there were too many China soldiers were dead.because Chinese soldier's weapon is so bad.and they can't get help in Air force:US Air force control the sky

In my opinion, probably the main obstacle to US attacking North Korea is South Korea and Japan. Especially South Korea. They are gonna be the ones to get their capital flattened by a North Korean prepatory artillery barrage and possible WMD. They'll be fighting on South Korean soil, not US soil. China's PLA is fucking weak, my friend. That's the truth. Your tanks are crap. I think even Iraq had better tanks than China. Chinese tanks have armor that can be punched through like a wet paper bag. Even Russia could steam roll the PLA.

Any Chinese fighting against the USA would result in the complete annhialiation of the Chinese forces. Look at it this way. China has been a backwards nation for such a long time. Think about it. The US has been strengthening its forces all this time, while China struggled just to industrialize in the 50's (and failed, I might add) and then sent their engineers to work in the fields during the Cultural Revolution. Now you think you can fight with the US? They will destroy the PLA. Don't try it.

[BrifsGefel]

Thanks for an excellent answer - I was not aware that they did not have adequate landing craft. This entire discussion has changed my view on this.

No problem. Yeah, that's my impression of it. I'll get back to you on it later. I'll have to ask "the experts" on it at another forum I go to sometimes.

[Breilopmil]

the whole sabre rattling over Iran by the Bush admin is just to intimidate European investors to withdraw funds, and to fuel reactionary crack downs on domestic progressive/secular groups by the Mullahs. United States, since the end of WW2, do not attack targets who can fight back. We only take on defenseless countries like Nicaragua, Grenada, Cuba, Iraq, and that sort of countries.

You dont believe the US will invade Iran even though its been one of the empire's written goals since the Iranian revolution overthrew the Sha?

[Qnnoshxj]

Started a new thread on China's prospects of invading Taiwan.

[egexgfczc]

You dont believe the US will invade Iran even though its been one of the empire's written goals since the Iranian revolution overthrew the Sha?

no, I don't think US will invade Iran any time soon. They can keep talking trash, but any sane planner won't go risking massive casualties, total collapse of domestic and international support, and a possible defeat. United States has a lot of enemies and a lot of interests to protect, its forces are overstretched, its oil dependency frail and it has very serious fiscal crisis. Unless they wanna nuke someone, a groud invasion or even an air campaign against a moderatly denfended target like Iran is gonna cost too much.

[Ccddfergt]

An attack on North Korea would shatter relations with China,

An attack on N. Korea would not "shatter" our relations with China. On the contrary, China's support of a despotic regime in North Korea that has already threatened our cities with nuclear annihilation, is what would "shatter relations" if we decide to attack that regime. Our attack would be fully justified. China's support of the North Korean government's barbarism, is not.

It may come as news to some, that not every bad situation in the world is the fault of the U.S.

[Plaumpholavup]

An attack on N. Korea would not "shatter" our relations with China. On the contrary, China's support of a despotic regime in North Korea that has already threatened our cities with nuclear annihilation, is what would "shatter relations" if we decide to attack that regime. Our attack would be fully justified. China's support of the North Korean government's barbarism, is not.Question. Isn't that about the same thing

It may come as news to some, that not every bad situation in the world is the fault of the U.S.

HUH????????what has that to do with the above???

[agildeta]

Terrorist? Wow. Really, I don't know much about the Green Party. Almost nothing really. I just heard they got beat real bad in the Governors election recently.

China's PLA is fucking weak, my friend. That's the truth. Your tanks are crap. I think even Iraq had better tanks than China. Chinese tanks have armor that can be punched through like a wet paper bag. Even Russia could steam roll the PLA.

Any Chinese fighting against the USA would result in the complete annhialiation of the Chinese forces. Look at it this way. China has been a backwards nation for such a long time. Think about it. The US has been strengthening its forces all this time, while China struggled just to industrialize in the 50's (and failed, I might add) and then sent their engineers to work in the fields during the Cultural Revolution. Now you think you can fight with the US? They will destroy the PLA. Don't try it.

well,China and US had fought twice in the last 50 years in last century,the first time is in Korea battlefield.it's very interesting.in korea battlefield PLA have no tank,they just have PPS41,they have nothing ,even food.they eat snow in battle field.US army has Tank,plane,but at last,what 's happen?US backward to south korea.how many us soldiers were dead in Korea battle ield?.yes,i confess there are many many chinese soldiers were dead.but what did american get in Korea battlefield.maybe you think US win Korea war,because dead chinese really more than dead american.but what's american aim?did you reach it?

the second fought is in Vietname battle field.as you know there are 58,000 american were dead in Vietname.China support Vietname,Chinese give Vietname anything,gun,rice,tank,even send soldiers into North Vietname to attack US plane.....when US airforce F5 invade North Vietname near China-Vietname boarder,China Air force even fought with them.and How many US plane,how many copter were drop down in Vietname?Did american defence South Vietname?no,US lose it.american get nothing in Vietname,

and so,if US invade North Korea,what will happen?where's US army base?In Japan,of course ,they will provide anything for US.But it's too far ,I think US can't win war in the air,right?In South Korea?many people live in South Korea hate American.they wish american leave their country as quickly-----you know all this.

so,where's US tank in Korea battle field?