[unmalryAlalry]

Personally, I think it's kind of silly...

Silly? Walking around with a gun on your waist is silly?

(I remember back when t-shirts with stupid sayings was about as silly as it got.)

[tq4F7YKs]

Those silly ol' guys in the SA !!

(Couldn't stay out of their brown shirts.)

[KatoabamyHant]

Can any one answer this: if you are wearing a gun (where it is legal) and walk into a bar, can they serve you liquor or is there a law against wearing a gun and drinking?

(oh God let's hope so)

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BTW: once in NYC, I invited someone back to my place (you know how it goes) and under his jacket he removed a gun and placed it on the dresser. Turns out he was an undercover cop. Ah NY's finest...

Once in Italy (this story is cleaner) my doorbell got stuck and would not stop ringing. I was on the street with a friend of mine trying to get the doorbell button unstuck. 2 nicely dressed gentlemen were walking by...one of them said, "I think I can fix that". He pulled out a gun, tapped the button with it and fixed the problem.

So there.

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[CDCL7WKJ]

It's being attacked, they will tell you, by The President, by the Democrats in Congress and elsewhere, by the Liberal media, and by people like yourself.

You forgot immigrants. Much of Western gun lore is tied up in Vigilantism.

[Plaumpholavup]

Depends on the state.

Gun type people done seem to have too much problem with laws against carrying in bars. They don't like being banned from restaurants the serve liquor.

Can any one answer this: if you are wearing a gun (where it is legal) and walk into a bar, can they serve you liquor or is there a law against wearing a gun and drinking?

(oh God let's hope so)

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BTW: once in NYC, I invited someone back to my place (you know how it goes) and under his jacket he removed a gun and placed it on the dresser. Turns out he was an undercover cop. Ah NY's finest...

Once in Italy (this story is cleaner) my doorbell got stuck and would not stop ringing. I was on the street with a friend of mine trying to get the doorbell button unstuck. 2 nicely dressed gentlemen were walking by...one of them said, "I think I can fix that". He pulled out a gun, tapped the button with it and fixed the problem.

So there.

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[mikeydesignzinc]

People don't trust the cops to be where they need them, when they need them.

Criminal generally do try to avoid committing crimes when police are present. NYC has 30,000+ cops (maybe 35K-ish at the moment). People still get vicimized. The rest of the country has a lot lower density of policing.

195, the key question would be "why?".

So many people, when put to this, simply say "because it is my right" or "to protect myself" when both are not really applicable in todays society.

There were many things that were "rights" that were later amended. Simply pointing at the Constitution and saying "hey, it says so" is not 100% enough, especially without the reason it was originally written for.

I am not saying that guns should be banned. At least not in this argument, but I have never accepted "because" as a suitable answer for anything.

[drmarshallusa]

BBMW: As far as I can tell, no one here is saying that people should not be allowed to have guns.

[TainuibeFaimb]

Criminal generally do try to avoid committing crimes when police are present.

Criminals tend to commit crimes in high density areas. More opportunities, and easier to disappear into the landscape.

NYC has 30,000+ cops (maybe 35K-ish at the moment). The ratio of police to population is comparable to that of cities where carrying handguns is permitted.

People still get vicimized. People get victimized everywhere. If anything, you could make a case for less guns=less crime.

The rest of the country has a lot lower density of policing. Owning a handgun in areas where police response is delayed or nonexistent isn't the same as carrying a handgun into a retail establishment in a city. I have a place in the Adirondacks. By NYC standards, it's isolated. When the kids were little, I kept a rifle and handgun.

[flowersnewacq]

And now that they are older you carry an assault rifle?

To add to your point, the crime rate is actually pretty low in NYC, and not from the proliferation of arms. For the density, I would bet cash you could find similar cop to citizen ratios that still have higher crime despite a higher private ownership ratio.

Also, who says all criminally minded people have records? How can a cop tell a law abiding gun holder from a criminal if the criminal refuses to dress like one? If a cop stops you in a dark alley because he does not know what you are doing, and there is a high probabbility that you would have a gun because of local laws and propensity for carrying one, how cautious do you think he will be with you and EVERYTHING you do?

Is this a reason to stop ownership or carrying? Not really, but the thing to realize is that gun ownership should not be viewd as something untouchable and somehow holy in the eyes of the Constitution.


BTW, criminals may avoid cops when comitting crimes, but they generally do not avoid guns. Most of what they do involves them. They just make sure they are pointing theirs first.

[Czrzftmz]

Next question: if you wear a gun in public, must you also wear some sort of badge on your chest showing that you are authorized to carry one?

If a cop sees you wearing a gun, is he required to ask for your ID?

Can a non-gun-tote'n member of the public ask to see the gun-wearin'-joe's ID?

I mean, how do I know if the guy sitting next to me is authorized to carry a gun or if it's a criminal feeling a little brazen?

BTW: in places like Texas (as an example) can you carry guns everywhere? Even in banks? In Church? At the nursery school when you go to pick up your kids?

[Lorionasodi]

While I'm waiting for answer, a little entertainment: watch this, it's so bad-ass cool. It's only 20 seconds of your time:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wtbdfypVy38

[vqIo7X2U]

^ While doing that, don't you think he should be required to show his schlong?



(Oh ... he's already doing that !)

[slowlexrese]

Well anyway, it looks like I got my answer. This will only take 15 seconds of your time:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VqomZQMZQCQ

[911_993_911]

Or Badgers...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gx6TB...eature=related

And the classic:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TFwprS_L6tg

[irresseni]

195, the key question would be "why?".

So many people, when put to this, simply say "because it is my right" or "to protect myself" when both are not really applicable in todays society.

There were many things that were "rights" that were later amended. Simply pointing at the Constitution and saying "hey, it says so" is not 100% enough, especially without the reason it was originally written for.

I am not saying that guns should be banned. At least not in this argument, but I have never accepted "because" as a suitable answer for anything.

Ninja,
Let me start by disclosing that I don't currently have any desire to carry a gun or even own one.
Here in Texas, the gun must be concealed. In the event I chose to carry, I would rather conceal it. I have always thought it a bit odd that the law doesn't require you to wear it out in the open. You would think that the cops would want to be able to see it. Also, I think fewer people would carry if they had to display it.
More on Tx law: http://www.txdps.state.tx.us/administration/crime_records/chl/chlsindex.htm

Why support the right? I want to preserve the option to be able to carry a gun in the event a situation arises where I feel my life is in peril.
I disagree with the premise that it's not really applicable in today's society.
I'll give you an example: A friend of mine was recently going through a very ugly divorce. Her (now) ex husband threatened her life multiple times. He was a suicidal alcoholic. Fearing for her life, she exercised her right to carry.

As far as the constitution goes, Those who want to do away with the 2nd amendment should persue repealing it if they don't like it.

[beneitpedro]

Silly? Walking around with a gun on your waist is silly?

(I remember back when t-shirts with stupid sayings was about as silly as it got.)

"silly" is in reference to carrying a gun just because you can, you silly.

[Nglvayhp]

Can any one answer this: if you are wearing a gun (where it is legal) and walk into a bar, can they serve you liquor or is there a law against wearing a gun and drinking?

(oh God let's hope so)

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Here in TX that would not be allowed.
See pg 46: http://www.txdps.state.tx.us/ftp/forms/LS-16.pdf

[AlexDatig]

Next question: if you wear a gun in public, must you also wear some sort of badge on your chest showing that you are authorized to carry one?

If a cop sees you wearing a gun, is he required to ask for your ID?

Can a non-gun-tote'n member of the public ask to see the gun-wearin'-joe's ID?

I mean, how do I know if the guy sitting next to me is authorized to carry a gun or if it's a criminal feeling a little brazen?

BTW: in places like Texas (as an example) can you carry guns everywhere? Even in banks? In Church? At the nursery school when you go to pick up your kids?

Answers: http://www.txdps.state.tx.us/ftp/forms/LS-16.pdf

[DeilMikina]

Ninja,
Let me start by disclosing that I don't currently have any desire to carry a gun or even own one.

I didn't think you did. Your posts did not seem to reflect that...um....dedication to the issue?

Here in Texas, the gun must be concealed. In the event I chose to carry, I would rather conceal it. I have always thought it a bit odd that the law doesn't require you to wear it out in the open. You would think that the cops would want to be able to see it. Also, I think fewer people would carry if they had to display it. More on Tx law: http://www.txdps.state.tx.us/administration/crime_records/chl/chlsindex.htm

I never really understood that either.


Why support the right? I want to preserve the option to be able to carry a gun in the event a situation arises where I feel my life is in peril. I disagree with the premise that it's not really applicable in today's society.
I'll give you an example: A friend of mine was recently going through a very ugly divorce. Her (now) ex husband threatened her life multiple times. He was a suicidal alcoholic. Fearing for her life, she exercised her right to carry.

Counter that. My uncle was doing the same. The to-be ex was stalking him, came to his house and parked in front. When he came out, she said she had a gun. Through some course of events, he got her key, went inside and called the cops. She did not have one, but she could have very easily registered and gotten one, so that possibility was there and his life was threatened because of it.

Would he have been safer with one himself? Not really.

I am not discounting the right in and of itself, but people seem to have this idea that a gun is a magic shield. It isn't. It does not protect as much as it threatens and attacks. One gun will not stop anothers bullet, and in some cases it will encourage it.

Does that mean they all should be banned? I don't think so. Most of the most infuriating "debates" occur over the more assault-like weapons that have no real purpose other than killing and being very efficient at it. While I do not LIKE revolvers or shotguns, I can't see where banning them will do much.

As far as the constitution goes, Those who want to do away with the 2nd amendment should persue repealing it if they don't like it. That's the problem. It is not the amendment in and of itself, but its original intent and its application to todays environment. It does not quite fit and people keep trying to make it fit.

Literally it means that any man, woman or, in some weird cases, child should be able to have howitzers, 50 cal's, AT guns and missiles and ANY type of military hardware they can afford.

Why? Because it puts a balance on the government from coming in with the National Guard and putting an area under martial Law and effectively quashing their freedoms.


What does that have to do with a revolver in Starbucks?

[retyopj]

In case they give you low fat instead of half and half.