[FYIbiatches]

This article is a MUST READ for every NY resident, it is living proof that the current tax structure and anti-business environment is totally unsustainable.

All of those supporting ever-higher taxes to pay for public union employees and their obscene, unconscionable salaries and benefits packages need a does of reality - the game is up:

http://www.empirecenter.org/files/Mi...Report.Red.pdf

"The Empire State is being drained of an invaluable resource—people. From 2000 to 2008, in both absolute and relative terms, New York experienced the nation's largest loss of residents to other states—a net domestic migration outflow of over 1.5 million, or 8 percent of its population at the start of the decade."

[lagunaEl]

And if that report doesn't get you sick, this one HAS to:

http://data.lohud.com/labor/retire_form.php

$200,000 per year as a f--king retiree? WTF?!?!?!?!

Look at the annual pensions of these people, and that is just in Westchester!!!

God almighty, and I wondered what happens to all of that money coming into the state in taxes - those pensions are totally insane!

[movlabk]

Funded ^ by the "Manhattan Institute for Policy Research" ...

A group which has no agenda whatsoever.

[AlabamaBoyz]

$200,000 per year as a f--king retiree?

Look at the annual pensions of these people, and that is just in Westchester!!!

The top two on that list (the only two above $200K) worked in the Health Care Industry: WESTCHESTER HEALTH CARE CORP.

[teergoBissono]

Rhodescholar: Keep all your NY rants in this one thread. It's all the same thing over and over.

[denSmumbSes]

Funded ^ by the "Manhattan Institute for Policy Research" ...

A group which has no agenda whatsoever.

Why can't leftists stop attacking the messenger and address the message?

Why can't moderators delete garbage one liner posts like that one, if the poster does not address the topic?

[Todilrdc]

Why can't trolls post elsewhere?

[LarryRda]

However a large percentage of those leaving New York State are heading for the states of New Jersey, Pennsylvania and other states such as Connecticut, which are within the NYC Metro Area. According to the research document you posted, after Florida the next biggest migration destinations are New Jersey and Pennsylvania.

It should also be noted that NYC also attracts a good deal of migrants both from across the US and globally, and NYC's population is projected to grow within the longer term.

[CKDIWEQ]

Very few. Most who leave NYS after they retire go to N Carolina, Georgia and Florida. I expected Charlotte to be a southern city, but it's packed with people who fled the high costs of the tri-state area.

[lakraboob]

SourceWatch.org

These guys come from the far side of liberal.

No agenda there either.

Everyone has an agenda, otherwise why would they take the time to do what they do?

[flowersnewaho]

Why can't moderators delete garbage one liner posts like that one, if the poster does not address the topic?

O.K. you got me here: that type of post you referenced is something that is a complete conversation killer and I would like to see less of that "shouting-down" approach to posting.

"playing the man: and not the ball"

[Narcodran]

I posted a reply with links showing who funded the report in post one.

Which some see as "garbage" -- while others might be interested to know who is driving the argument.

Now how is that a "conversation killer"

And to say that NYS is a "Failure" belies the full situation.

Is NYS more of a failure than the USA in general?

Might as well say Mankind is a failure. But I don't believe that.

[DurryVony]

Might as well say Mankind is a failure. But I don't believe that.

These are all good thoughts to exchange!

This new member (rscholar) has sure got the conversation going: I like that. He may bit a sharp tounged and rude sometime; but overall civil and very smart. Not to mention an uncanny sense of timing.

Link to article -- "A New York state of mind? Try sad."
Read more: http://www.nydailynews.com/ny_local/...#ixzz0a9NXiyne
http://www.nydailynews.com/ny_local/...le+Feedfetcher

[Green_Monkey23]

Interesting that a different study on so-called "happiness" from last month, November 2009 came up with an entirely different order for the states, with NY falling closer to the middle at Number 35 and CA near the top at Number 9:

. .. a similar ranking reported last month, which found that the most tolerant and wealthiest states were, on average, the happiest. That article ^ lists Utah at the top, apparently the happiest, "most tolerant" and wealthiest

The more recent study cited in the post above (which doesn't seem to be found on the CDC website despite all sorts of news reports -- including the link to the NY Daily News -- which claim that the survey upon which the data is based came from there) put NY at the bottom of all states +DC (#51) and CA only a bit less bad (#46).

The Science journal article where the more recent study was published isn't turning up on a web search (if anyone finds it please post a link). But the study (from Warwick Univ. / UK & Hamilton College / USA) is discussed more in full HERE.

[Darnisg]

Interesting to see that the states that claim "Right to Work" status correlate to those states with the lower numbers of persons covered by health insurance.

[valentinesdayyy]

These are all good thoughts to exchange!

This new member (rscholar) has sure got the conversation going: I like that. He may bit a sharp tounged and rude sometime; but overall civil and very smart. Not to mention an uncanny sense of timing.

Link to article -- "A New York state of mind? Try sad."
Read more: http://www.nydailynews.com/ny_local/...#ixzz0a9NXiyne
http://www.nydailynews.com/ny_local/...le+Feedfetcher

Infoshare, I appreciate the sentiment. If you can clean up the board, and get the nonsense off topic stuff dealt with, I will bring over ALOT of people from other poli forum discussion boards that would increase traffic here substantially.

Anywhoo, lofter, what difference does it make if the group is leftwing or rightwing - it is their reporting that counts, and they included leftist editorial newspapers like the Daily News on their site, which tells you their message has teeth.

As for the other poster, yes NY state's overall pop is increasing - BUT, as the report stated, the people coming in are either illegals or those making 15-20% LESS than those leaving.

What that means is the tax base will shrink even further, putting NY State in a worse position than it already is. It cannot even pay its bills now; do you think that a state with obscene regulation levels and the nation's highest tax rate (12.62% in NYC) are going to improve the economy?

These are crucial issues that need addressing, and not just here, but elsewhere too. Otherwise, we are going to end up like a larger version of Detroit:

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1000...636077732.html

"Yet Mr. Bing is a realist, something Detroit hasn't had at the helm for a long time. "We've been paralyzed by a culture in the city of Detroit, and maybe the state of Michigan, of entitlement," by which he means ever-rising union wages. "Our people, I don't believe, truly understand how dire the situation is. There are ugly decisions that need to be made and I'm surely not going to be popular for making them. But I didn't take this job based on popularity."

One group that surely isn't a fan is the public employee unions. He grumbles that there are 17 unions with over 50 separate bargaining units. "I can give you a data sheet that will show you we've got several of those bargaining units with less than 100 people, and each one of them has a president that's paid by the city to negotiate against the city," he says. "Coming from the private sector, I find that insane."

Mr. Bing's gladiator-like brawls with the union bosses have drawn national attention. Earlier this year, he forced nonunionized city workers to take a 10% pay cut and unpaid furloughs. Now he's demanding the same pay concession from the unions. At one point the union got so fed up with Mr. Bing's refusal to buckle to their demands that they asked the courts to toss him in jail for violating their contracts. That didn't happen, but the unions did win a court challenge when the mayor refused to collect union dues out of city paychecks.

"Today in the city of Detroit," he tells me, "our union employee benefits cost 68% of what their base wage is. I don't think that happens in any other place in the country." To give a sense of how excessive those pay packages are, he adds: "When you look at one of the most dominant labor unions in the world, the UAW, they're nowhere close to what we give our city workers.""

[BEyng6hj]

Infoshare, I appreciate the sentiment. If you can clean up the board, and get the nonsense off topic stuff dealt with, I will bring over ALOT of people from other poli forum discussion boards that would increase traffic here substantially. Oh Jesus, no. If we want to drown in dummy talk we can go over to Free Republic ourselves.

[MizzDaizzy]

Perhaps a scout ... sent out to look for points of incursion

Man the battlements, friends!

[fedelwet]

And woman them too, while you're at it -

[newwebstar]

All able posters to the fore!