[Wvq9InTM]

Please remember in the city in the last ten years you have not recruited the cream of the crop.......you could almost call them square badges a term we use for cops who might be suited elsewhere

Haven't figured it out. Is this supposed to be an argument for the use of tasers?

[EzekelEnzino]

I see how your thinking to this topic is, you did.t answer the question I had previously asked you so your non answer is your answer.

You asked a question?

[Impariclainna]

When asked what he was doing, the man told the officer, “Allah told me to watch a Bruce Willis movie and walk the dog,” McCranie said.

“He was obviously having some sort of emotional distress,” he said. “It was unfortunate we had to use the Taser. … It was the only way we could subdue him without having to hurt him.”

The man was then sent for mental-health evaluation and treatment.

HMMMMMMMM... MAYBE HIMSELF

And he was a danger to whom?

Bruce Willis?

this maybe the sillyist thing I have read on this forum...period no wait no I am right

[daguy]

Reduce Suspect Injuries By Up To 80%

While most people know that a TASER ECD is certainly far safer to the recipient than a bullet from a firearm, many people do not realize that a TASER device exposure represents a significantly lower risk of injury than traditional hands-on force tactics. When faced with a violent, resistant subject – the use of a TASER device reduces the risk of injury not only to the officers involved, but the offender as well. (See Figure 1.3).


Figure 1.1 Figure 1.2 Figure 1.3
Zippy overall the use of the taser is far more effective than you care to agree....And of course the incident in the Village was wrong, but the incident with the naked man walking was absolutely right on. If things were done on a case by case basis we still would be using rubberbands.
I see how your thinking to this topic is, you did.t answer the question I had previously asked you so your non answer is your answer.

What he is asking is whether or not the incidents outlined were proper use or not. Not the effectiveness of the instrument itself.

The main issue is not rubber bands (a blackjack maybe?) but rather, do cops have a proper understanding of this instruments, or arethey viewing it like a phaser set to stun with no real ramifications?

Are they taking it on a level with LESS severity because, as you just said, "the chances of hurting someone with it are less than conventional physical means" (paraphrase).

So, if a cop thinks that he has less chance of hurting someone with it than with something liek a billyclub, would he be more likely to use it than a billyclub? Probably.

That is the problem. This weapon needs to be respected, not used at the drop of a hat (or a naked guy from a rooftop). That incident with the man on the roof killed him. Next time just shoot him in the head and see how well peopel receive that.

Same result, right?

[foltdan]

When asked what he was doing, the man told the officer, “Allah told me to watch a Bruce Willis movie and walk the dog,” McCranie said.

Did he hurt anyone?

Was he ranting, swinging thnigs around? I am confused, if you came to NYC and tasered everyone that talked to themselves while walking down the street, well, you would have your hands full!!!

Hell, even tasering those that make no SENSE while walking down the street, you would still run out of juice pretty darned fast!

“He was obviously having some sort of emotional distress,” he said. “It was unfortunate we had to use the Taser. … It was the only way we could subdue him without having to hurt him.” I have not read the full article, but why did he need to be subdued?

The man was then sent for mental-health evaluation and treatment.

HMMMMMMMM... MAYBE HIMSELF Ah, so in order to save someone who is aimlessly wandering around the streets talking about Bruce Willis, we have to shock him and throw him in the looney bin?

Also, small point, you seem to have gotten your response a little skewed. I assume "to himself" was in answer to Zip's question "And he was a dange to whom?"

this maybe the sillyist thing I have read on this forum...period no wait no I am right Um, you are getting defensive. Zip is asking a pointed question to get you to see the direction he is pointing.

It does not matter if you see him down the street pointing down the block he is standing at if you do not come over to him and look at what he is pointing to.

Right now you are looking ni the direction he is pointing and all you see is Duane Reede. You know?

The key point here is that cops are starting to lose appreciation for what the Taser actually is. A potentially lethal method for subduing a suspect/threat.

Is it better than a gun? Yep. Better than a nightstick? In some situations, yess. Should it be used at the drop of a hat when the police feel it easier to shock a guy than to talk him down? No.

Cops are starting to lose respect for this weapon. They have to be reminded, just like any other human, what using that device really stands for.

Absolute enforcement. This thing really is not a "humanitarian aid". It is just a gun that is less likely to kill someone. (slight exaggeration for illustration? Yes, but until they start seing it as such, you will see abuses of it regularly).

[Flirigor]

“He was obviously having some sort of emotional distress,” he said. “It was unfortunate we had to use the Taser. … It was the only way we could subdue him without having to hurt him.”

The man was then sent for mental-health evaluation and treatment.

HMMMMMMMM... MAYBE HIMSELF

And he was a danger to whom?

Bruce Willis?

this maybe the sillyist thing I have read on this forum...period no wait no I am right

Silly begets silly. Look up sarcasm.

You accept the police explanation of why they used a taser as proof that it was necessary to use a taser? That's rich.

"He was under some sort of emotional distress." A person who sits in his home all day, and can't summon the will to do carry on with life is suffering from clinical depression. He can be describes as being "under some sort of emotional distress." We don't expect the police to taser him.

There was nothing in the police account that indicated he was an immediate danger to himself or anyone else. He could have been taken into custody without applying electro-shock.

[snunsebrugs]

Zippy
I see no further response from me it seems this will not get us anywhere.

I guess giving a 19 year old a badge and gun or taser is necessary but in the wrong circumstances, a problem.

Thankfully an independent judiciary, with people who have relatives and friends on the street who could easily be victims of brutality, have the final say.

However, every compensation award the city has to pay for the overreaction of a rookie means that we all pay as taxpayers.

Thats why the city has the right, which it often exercises, to recover the amounts paid from the offending officer for acting on a frolic. Consequently, they dont always get their pension funds.

It is a tough job.

[Saad Khan]

Eyewitness News
NEW YORK (WABC) -- The NYPD lieutenant who authorized the fatal use of a taser stun gun on a naked Brooklyn psychiatric patient committed suicide at Floyd Bennett Field this morning.
Eyewitness News has learned Lt. Michael Pigot reported to Floyd Bennett Field in Brooklyn, where he took his life shortly after 6 a.m.
Another police officer reportedly sustained a non-life threatening injury during the incident.
Authorities say the 45-year-old Pigot directed a fellow Emergency Services Unit officer to use his Taser on 35-year-old Iman Morales as he teetered on a Brooklyn building's ledge.
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The 50,000-volt shock reportedly caused Morales, a troubled psychiatric patient, to topple 10 feet headfirst onto the sidewalk, killing him.
Pigot, a 21-year veteran who lives in Suffolk County, told a reporter earlier this week that he was "truly sorry for what happened."
Pigot was one of two officers disciplined by NYPD commanders for violating Taser-use guidelines.
The NYPD released the following statement:
"An NYPD police lieutenant was killed this morning, apparently as a result of a self-inflicted gun shot wound. Identification is being withheld pending family notification," said Deputy Commissioner Paul J. Browne
Pigot's gun and badge were taken away and he was placed on modified duty.
Police say the officer who used the taser, Nicholas Marchesona, was placed on desk duty.
The Brooklyn district attorney's office and the NYPD are investigating.
"Upon behalf of all of the members of the New York City Police Department, I extend deepest condolences to the family and friends of Lt. Michael W. Pigott who served with dedication for 21 years." said Police Commissioner Raymond W. Kelly
Floyd Bennett Field is the base for the 400 officers in the NYPD's Emergency Service Unit. All ESU officers are undergoing retraining there this week to reinforce the proper use of Tasers when dealing with the mentally ill.
Funeral services will be held for Morales later today at Our Lady of Pompeii in Greenwich Village.


Please say a prayer for both of these famalies

[esconsise]

Flat out, that sucks.

He knew he made the wrong decision and cost this man his life. And it seems like the guilt was too much for him. I do not believe that this was something he deserved because of his poor judgement though.


Sad all the way around.

[uMG6uOSo]

Nija,
This incident must have trobuled the LT to do this to himself, we are all human and as human's that we are we must be forgiven.
Wired Forumer's
Keep all parties in your prayers.