let's get rid of a genocidal Islamist state that is now trying to test the waters on imposing sharia punishment on a British citizen. Sudan can deport her with no punishment or get obliterated. That's what Britain's message should be. God help me, I'm agreeing with all of this. I can't remember when I've ever called for war.
Britain, you gotta take a stand here.

Lynchings are extra-legal. It has nothing to do with how state sanctioned executions are regarded by the population.

It's when they grab someone officially and threaten punishment for such a small infraction that hurts noone.

This is not like caning of whats-his-face in (Shanghai) for, was it littering? That act, although equally minor, was still something commited with little regard to others and when confronted with it, the snot thought himself above th elaw.

But a teacher?

These guys are seriously skewed if they are calling for her death. Something has to be done to see where this is coming from, the root, and efforts need to be made to remove it.

You can burn a dandelion, but unless you:

Pull the root

or

Turn the ground to glass

It will only come back later.


I think one of the main problems was the forced modernizations of these areas. They are going through a technological evolution in a hundred years that took us thousands. Some areas are going from farmers to aremd fighters in one generation!

Imagine what would have happened if we dropped a bunch of automatic weapons on central Europe in the 9th century!

Now imagine if there were people making money off of doing so.

Maybe the aliens will come and drop nano-tech on us so we can all kill ourselves faster. http://www.discussworldissues.com/fo...ies/tongue.png

Pardon possible for British teacher imprisoned in Sudan over bear named Muhammad

THE ASSOCIATED PRESS
Saturday, December 1st 2007, 12:04 PM
KHARTOUM, Sudan - Visiting British parliament members met Saturday with a British teacher imprisoned in Sudan for allegedly insulting Islam by letting her students name a teddy bear Muhammad and they said she was in good spirits.

The two Muslim members of Parliament's upper house also met with Sudanese officials and said afterwards that the government in Khartoum wants to resolve the case.
A lawyer for Gillian Gibbons said President Omar al-Bashir could inform the visiting parliamentarians that he had pardoned the teacher.
Labour peer Lord Ahmed and Baroness Warsi, a Conservative, arrived in Sudan Saturday on what the British Foreign Office called a private visit to meet with Sudanese officials and seek the release of Gibbons. They visited Gibbons in prison for more than an hour.

"Gillian was surprisingly in good spirits considering the last seven days," Warsi told Sky News.
Warsi said she and Ahmed met Sudanese officials Saturday morning and more meetings were scheduled later.
"The Sudanese government do want to resolve this matter. ... (We) hope we can come to an amicable resolution soon," she said.
Gibbons' lawyer Kamal al-Gizouli said Sudan's president could deliver news of a pardon when he meets the British visitors. But it was not immediately clear when they would meet.

"I would not be surprised if president of the republic will tell delegation we have dropped this charge," al-Gizouli told The Associated Press.
Gibbons, 54, was sentenced Thursday to 15 days in jail and deportation for insulting Islam by naming a teddy bear Muhammad - the name of Islam's prophet. The naming was part of a class project for her 7-year-old students at a private school in Sudan.
Al-Gizouli said only the president has the power to lift Gibbons' 15-day sentence which runs until Dec. 9.

Gibbons was moved from the Omdurman women's prison to a secret location on Friday after thousands of Sudanese, many armed with clubs and swords and beating drums, burned pictures of her and demanded her execution.
There was no overt sign that the government organized the protest, but such a rally could not have taken place without at least official assent.
The teacher's conviction under Sudan's Islamic Sharia law shocked Britons, and the British government has said it was working with Sudan's regime to win her release.

Gibbons escaped harsher punishment that could have included up to 40 lashes, six months in prison and a fine. Her time in jail since her arrest Sunday counts toward the sentence.
During her trial, the weeping teacher said she had intended no harm. Her students, overwhelmingly Muslim, chose the name for the bear, and Muhammad is one of the most common names for men in the Arab world. Muslim scholars generally agree that intent is a key factor in determining if someone has violated Islamic rules against insulting the prophet.

But the case was caught up in the ideology that al-Bashir's Islamic regime has long instilled in Sudan, a mix of anti-colonialism, religious fundamentalism and a sense that the West is besieging Islam.
The uproar comes as the U.N. is accusing Sudan of dragging its feet on the deployment of peacekeepers in the western Sudanese Darfur region.

This incident combined with the persecution and execution of homosexuals in Iran, the recent sentencing of a woman and who were VICTIMS of rape in Saudia Arabia represent my end point with erring on the side of caution.

The teacher did not name that teddy bear - her students did - the sons and daughters of those calling for HER death.

I find it outrageous, maddening, and it moves me toward supporting multilateral actions.

The only counter argument I have in my head to these incredibly sick and offensive acts is the fact that we have religious extremists on the Christian right and an equally obnoxious group of PC folks on the left who attempt and in some cases undertake similar actions. Before this country and its leaders speak out against this kind of "extremism" we ought to end it domestically as well. It is dangerous from any quarter.

The key thing here is that 90% of the people out there do not take any of these positions.

We only hear from those that are shouting the most.

Even online in conversations with like minded people, you are portrayed as "one of them" if you do not agree on this issue or that.

It is like people forgot how to come to an agreement and work with each other.

Or did we never really know how in the first place?

Well Ninja, that is a very good point of view. Even though we are saying many things in different ways, still all we want to say is that we don't like it and it just wasn't right.