[tilmprarnerit]

Fire all the NYC sanitation workers. The illegals would be doing the work for free.

Give 75% of the savings for Wall Street to invest. This would pump up the financial district and have the potential to yield a much greater return than municipal bonds.

Use the remaining 25% for new employment for sanitation workers: baking white bread to feed the illegals.

Keep them from revolting by sending them to circuses, but be warned that some may join and leave this country for good.

[Marlboro-oroblraM]

In an article in the Journal of the American Medical Assn., Dr. Reuben Granich, a lead investigator for the CDC commented on MDR-TB:

"Evidence of it has surfaced in 38 of 61 California health jurisdictions, and it could ‘threaten the efficacy of TB control efforts,' Granich said. The infected were said to be four times as likely to die from the disease and twice as likely to transmit the disease to others ... Reluctant to label the infected as ‘illegal' or even ‘undocumented' aliens, the report notes that of the 407 known cases of MDR-TB, 84% were ‘foreign-born' patients, mainly from Mexico and the Philippines who'd been in the U.S. less than five years.The percentage of TB cases among the ‘foreign-born' jumped from 29% in 1993 to 53% as of last year."
Also see: Is CDC covering up skyrocketing TB rate?

One thing is certain though: Amnesty (S. 1348 )is a threat to the general welfare of the United States! Those who have invaded our borders will not be checked for contagious diseases!

JWK

[grizolsemn]

You've taken your own thread off-topic.

Your premise is not about the threat of illegal aliens in the US, but what you say is a relatively simple solution - a sort of self check-out lane for deportation.

All replies to you have addressed this premise. Your links about TB, leprosy, etc, are not relevant, and in my opinion, only mask your inability to defend a flawed approach to controlling illegal aliens already living in the country.

[BodoidearoLew]

John- Re: Your latest post:

Amnesty is a threat to America's general welfare!

I find the subject interesting because almost 100 years ago, some of my ancestors sneaked into the U.S. when they were ill. If you started a topic about this, I would subscribe to it.

[mirvokrug]

You've taken your own thread off-topic.

Your premise is not about the threat of illegal aliens in the US, but what you say is a relatively simple solution - a sort of self check-out lane for deportation.

All replies to you have addressed this premise. Your links about TB, leprosy, etc, are not relevant, and in my opinion, only mask your inability to defend a flawed approach to controlling illegal aliens already living in the country.

Mask my inability to defend a flawed approach to controlling illegal aliens already living in the country?

I already said I agree 100% with Mr. Sowell on this and dont believe it's "flawed":

Just as people can do many things better for themselves than the government can do those things for them, illegal aliens could begin deporting themselves if they found that their crime of coming here illegally was being punished as a serious crime, and that they themselves were no longer being treated as guests of the taxpayers when it comes to their medical care, the education of their children, and other welfare state benefits. As a matter of fact, there is historical evidence which supports Mr. Sowell.

OPERATION WETBACK.


Operation Wetback deported approximately 80,000 Mexican nationals in the space of almost a year, although local INS officials claimed that an additional 500,000-700,000 had fled to Mexico before the campaign began. The INS estimates rested on the claim that most undocumented people, fearing apprehension by the government, had voluntarily repatriated themselves before and during the operation.
I believe Thomas Sowell is correct. I believe Illegal aliens who are caught on our soil, prosecuted and found to have violated our immigration law must be punished with a minimum one year sentence to hard labor…cleaning our roadways, painting our public buildings, maintaining our city parks, etc., and then deported. When the word gets our that getting caught means a jail term and then deportation, instead of medical care, education of their children and other welfare benefits, self deportation will quickly start.

Now Zippy, do you have a better solution to "controlling illegal aliens already living in the country"? And, just what is the flaw you assert exists in Sowell's approach?


JWK

[cokLoolioli]

Now Zippy, do you have a better solution to "controlling illegal aliens already living in the country"? And, just what is the flaw you assert exists in Sowell's approach?

I never offered a solution; unlike you, I don't buy the argument that the solution is easy.

I already told you what the flaw is. I'm sure Sowell is aware of it too, although he omitted it from his analysis.

He wants you to regard these millions of illegal aliens as solitary individuals. In reality, many have developed complex social ties, with children who are citizens attending school.

Rounding up and incarcerating a small percentage as an example, thinking the rest would just pack up and leave is unrealistic. And if they did, you would still have broken families to contend with, children as you put it, "in the custody of the state." One wonders what sort of citizens they will become as adults.

This heavy-handed approach would further erode our standing as an enlightened democracy, making it difficult to impact world events - but somehow, I doubt you give a damn about that.

In which case, Edward's solution is the most practical: just shoot them all. I can live with dirty highways.

[djmassk]

OK- Let's say JWK's idea went through Congress and became law. -illegal immigrants, if caught, must submit to a minimum of one year labor & study. After the year of labor, we should have every illegal immigrant (already in the U.S.) take a test. If you pass, you stay. If you fail, you get deported. And the illegal immigrants will start to come out, with hope and determination. But, we need to solidify our borders first. Or all is fruitless.

and JWK- stop repeating slogans. leave it on your car bumper

[Guloqkcm]

I never offered a solution; unlike you, I don't buy the argument that the solution is easy.

I already told you what the flaw is. I'm sure Sowell is aware of it too, although he omitted it from his analysis.

He wants you to regard these millions of illegal aliens as solitary individuals. In reality, many have developed complex social ties, with children who are citizens attending school.

Rounding up and incarcerating a small percentage as an example, thinking the rest would just pack up and leave is unrealistic. And if they did, you would still have broken families to contend with, children as you put it, "in the custody of the state." One wonders what sort of citizens they will become as adults.

This heavy-handed approach would further erode our standing as an enlightened democracy, making it difficult to impact world events - but somehow, I doubt you give a damn about that.

In which case, Edward's solution is the most practical: just shoot them all. I can live with dirty highways.

No one on this end said the solution was “easy “. Those are your words, Zippy, and those words are used by you to make an exaggeration and then attack the exaggeration ___ a very stupid and dishonorable debating trick.

Seems to me you are more concerned about “broken families” of illegal aliens which may be created by those who invade our borders, than the families of American Citizens who are suffering the effects of those who invade our borders and are bringing deadly commutable diseases into America.

The flaw you elude to is in fact not a “flaw‘, and that was established in a previous post of mine:

I would image children of those who commit a crime and are incarcerated, under existing case law, are either ordered by the court to be placed in the hands of relatives or taken into custody by the state. I would imagine a mother and father who cares about their children would quickly offer to the court the name of a relative in Mexico, or a close friend or relative who may be on America soil legally, and, who would take care of their children.

I don’t know how other people feel who object to the amnesty bill, but I have no objection to people coming to America to make their lives better ___ that is what America is all about, and that’s what my dad did! But he came here according to laws which were established to protect America from predictable and deadly consequences of an open border policy.

I wonder how many Americans have been infected this Memorial Day weekend with a commutable disease from those who have invaded our borders. This is the problem we face, and this is the problem which must be immediately addressed!

Since you care about THE CHILREN, Zippy, I wonder how many parents who are a citizen of the united States and have had their child infected with a commutable disease transmitted by someone who has crossed our borders illegally? Do you care about those children Zippy?

Finally, your comment about Edward's solution is adolescent to say the least.

JWK

[JeremyBalll]

OK- Let's say JWK's idea went through Congress and became law. -illegal immigrants, if caught, must submit to a minimum of one year labor & study. After the year of labor, we should have every illegal immigrant (already in the U.S.) take a test. If you pass, you stay. If you fail, you get deported. And the illegal immigrants will start to come out, with hope and determination. But, we need to solidify our borders first. Or all is fruitless.

I agree the borders must be attended to immediately, but making it impractical an unrewarding for foreigners to invade our borders via domestic policy is equally important!


JWK

[cliceperperIa]

I agree the borders must be attended to immediately, but making it impractical an unrewarding for foreigners to invade our borders via domestic policy is equally important!

dude that doesnt make sense. You can't make America unattractive for foreigners, it lowers American standards. And America =equals= The Country of Foreigners. Every human being in America is a foreigner (excluding Native Americans).
The aliens are going to continue coming in- inevitable. We need to block our borders. We need to help the illegal aliens already inside by educating them. Basic American History, political science, possibly business management skills, whatever it is, we should educate them. Instead of complaing that illegal aliens are harmful to society, they are mostly good people who are willing to learn and prosper, America can help them reach these goals through basic govt process.

[thushioli]

No one on this end said the solution was “easy “. Those are your words, Zippy,

Of course it's my word, my descriptive of what you and Sowell will think will not be , um, difficult or unrealistic.

But Sowell would not do something so idiotic as cite a program called Operation Wetback, implemented in the McCarthy era, where a few border states swept the area with random checks of people who were "Mexican looking," and not just escorting them across the border, but taking them by ship over 500 miles down the coast of Mexico.

Finally, your comment about Edward's solution is adolescent to say the least.

JWK

I guess you didn't get the sarcasm of either post.

Wear a hat in sunny Florida.

[MFSSCW2c]

And be sure to wear some mosquito repellent -- I hear they can spread disease

[acneman]

I'm glad I no longer have a lawn, or I'd have to shoot the illegal-alien-gardener before he infected my spouse with a communicable disease.

[RsQhyZyR]

dude that doesnt make sense. You can't make America unattractive for foreigners, it lowers American standards. And America =equals= The Country of Foreigners.

Dude, do you have a reading comprehension problem?

making it impractical and unrewarding for foreigners to invade our borders via domestic policy is equally important! The operative word is "invade", as in sneaking into our country and ignoring our immigration laws which were created to promote the general welfare of the United States and keep America attractive with high standards..

Tell me clubBR, do you leave the door to you home open and allow anyone who wants to enter, to enter?

We have a very real medical problem brewing in America ___ contagious diseases being spread within our borders by people who have entered our country illegally and have not been screened for such diseases.

Dr. William Levis, head of the New York Hansen's Disease Clinic said not too long ago in an article about leprosy, "It's creeping into the U.S. ... This is a real phenomenon. “It's a public health threat. New York is endemic now, and nobody's noticed." In the same article, Dr. Terry Williams, who runs a Houston-based clinic serving leprosy patients across southern Texas, said that the bulk of the cases treated by his clinic were immigrants. " A lot of our cases are imported," he said. "We see patients from everywhere--Africa, the Philippines, China, South America."

Do you now understand the threat which 20 million aliens who have invaded our borders pose to the general welfare of the united States?

Why are you so compassionate toward people who have broken our laws and ignore the grief and sorrow inflicted upon American Families across America brought on by the actions of some illegal alien?

JWK

[induffike]

The U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention reported in its June 16, 2006, analysis, "Summary of Notifiable Diseases – United States, 2004, that "[t]he number of reported cases of Hansen's Disease (HD aka LEPROSY) in the United States peaked at 361 in 1985 and has declined since 1988." The CDC's website points to the website of the U.S. Department of Health and Human Services' National Hansen's Disease Program. According to the HHS, 166 new cases of leprosy were reported in the United States in 2005. The 2007 Statistical Abstract of the United States reports that there were 70 cases in 2001; 96 in 2002; 95 in 2003; and 105 in 2004 ).

http://www.splcenter.org/news/item.jsp?aid=254

[ZZtop]

Nearly everyone on this thread is an intelligent, rational person- I can't believe that you're letting the likes of JohnWK drag you into a discussion of leprosy in the US.

[Madjostok]

Luckily, I've collected a large sack of stones to ward off any lepers that cross my path.

[Nesskissabe]

Luckily, I've collected a large sack of stones to ward off any lepers that cross my path.

Atlantan quarantined with deadly TB strain

Why worry about this one individual when we have 10-20 million illegal aliens who have immigrated to the united States but have avoided being screened for TB which is one of the steps in legal immigration?

The very purpose of Congress being granted power to “establish a uniform rule of naturalization“, is to enact laws beneficial for America’s public interests, not the interests of Mexico’s government, its illegal aliens or international corporate giants.

Some of the diseases carried into our country by illegal aliens who would be granted amnesty under (S. 1348 )are Tuberculosis, hepatitis, dengue fever, chagas, Hansen's disease (leprosy), not to mention an influx of AIDS!

For background information see: U.S. immigrants pose TB threat

Also see: Is CDC covering up skyrocketing TB rate?


One thing is certain: Amnesty (S. 1348 ) is a threat to the general welfare of the United States!


Regards,

JWK

[Idorsearogele]

Atlantan quarantined with deadly TB strain

This news has already been posted in a New York Times article on this thread: Sick Passengers on Plane Flights

Please continue your discussion about this topic on that thread. Thank you.

[Sandvikla]

Here's one for you, John WK:

--So Mr. Dobbs was flat-out wrong. And when I spoke to him yesterday, he admitted as much, sort of. I read him Ms. Romans’s comment — the one with the word “suddenly” in it — and he replied, “I think that is wrong.” He then went on to say that as far as he was concerned, he had corrected the mistake by later broadcasting another report, on the same night as his on-air confrontation with the Southern Poverty Law Center officials. This report mentioned that leprosy had peaked in 1983.

Of course, he has never acknowledged on the air that his program presented false information twice. Instead, he lambasted the officials from the law center for saying he had. Even yesterday, he spent much of our conversation emphasizing that there really were 7,000 cases in the leprosy registry, the government’s 30-year database. Mr. Dobbs is trying to have it both ways.--

http://www.nytimes.com/2007/05/30/bu...in&oref=slogin