Women & Self Defense
 

4 Women in Assault Case Say They Acted in Defense

By ANEMONA HARTOCOLLIS
Published: April 12, 2007

The lawyers for four lesbians accused in the beating and stabbing of a film director on a Greenwich Village street last August told a jury in Manhattan yesterday that they were defending themselves against an anti-gay attack.
The women felt they had no choice but to defend themselves when the filmmaker, Dwayne Buckle, now 29, made sexual advances to one of them and refused to accept their demurrals that they were gay, the lawyers said on the opening day of the trial of the four women in State Supreme Court.
“He was enraged that he had been rejected,” Michael Phillip Mays, one of the defense lawyers, said in his opening statement, “enraged that these young ladies told him that they were gay and that they were not interested in him.”
Mr. Mays said Mr. Buckle, who lives in Queens, boasted that he could convert one of the women to heterosexuality through his sexual prowess, and tried to choke her.
“These young ladies defended themselves,” Mr. Mays said. “They fought back. They didn’t acquiesce, they didn’t cower. If that’s a crime, then they’re guilty.”
The prosecutor, Sharon Laveson, told the jury that Mr. Buckle was punched, kicked, spat at and stabbed in the abdomen in “a vicious and unprovoked attack” by the women.
Ms. Laveson did not characterize the women as lesbians in her opening statement. The defense argued, though, that their being lesbians was precisely the point, and that if this were a case in which the women were the ones injured, it would have been a bias crime.
Mr. Mays said the women were part of a group of seven lesbians from New Jersey who had gone to the Village that night to listen to music and socialize.
They traveled in a group, according to Nina Remson, another defense lawyer, because they had been harassed over their sexual orientation in the past. “They were not Crips, not Bloods, not any sort of gang,” she added. “They were simply a group of friends.”
Mr. Buckle, the first prosecution witness, said he was handing out DVDs of his latest film, an independent production called “The Minority,” in front of the Independent Film Center on Sixth Avenue at West Third Street just before 2 a.m. on Aug. 18, when the women walked by.
“One was slightly pretty, so I said ‘Hi’ to her,” he testified.
He said that the woman’s friend, a heavier woman, “just started to dog me out.”
Justice Edward J. McLaughlin asked if he could, “perchance,” be more specific about the meaning of “dog me out.”
“Talking about how I looked, what I had on,” he replied. “The No. 1 thing she did say was I was never going to make it. I remember that crystal clear.”
Mr. Buckle, who has worked on many films, mostly as a sound mixer, said that insult to his career struck him to the core because he felt he had already made it. “I think I called her an elephant,” he said of the woman, Venice Brown.
He recalled telling another defendant, Terrain Dandridge, that she “looked like a man.” He told the jury that she had a “low haircut,” by which he seemed to mean extremely short, and that she was wearing a “wife beater,” or tank top.
Ms. Dandridge, he said, told him his sneakers were cheap. “I paid 100 bucks for them, so I knew they weren’t cheap,” he said indignantly.
As the dispute grew, Mr. Buckle testified, he was stabbed in the abdomen. He said he spent five days in a hospital, where he underwent surgery, and one month recuperating from liver and stomach wounds.
Prosecutors say Mr. Buckle was stabbed by Patreese Johnson, 19, the woman he first tried to approach. Ms. Johnson is charged with attempted murder, while the other defendants, Ms. Brown, 19, Ms. Dandridge, 20, and Renata Hill, 25, are charged with gang assault.
The defense argued that Mr. Buckle was actually stabbed by a man in a pink shirt who came to the aid of the women, and Mr. Buckle conceded under cross-examination that he could not be sure who had stabbed him.
Three other women in the group pleaded guilty to attempted assault in January and were sentenced to six months in jail and five years’ probation, the Manhattan district attorney’s office said.
http://www.nytimes.com/2007/04/12/ny...12assault.html
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Whenever my girlfriend goes out, I am always worried for her safety. I tell her to use deadly force if necessary. Women should be allowed to defend themselves from assault, rape, robbery, etc. If some stranger grabbed my girls arm, she has every right to stab him in the abdomen.

How would you word this law?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Self-defense_%28theory%29

No matter what was going on, stabbing in the abdomen was going too far.

This guy did not seem like a threat to these women, just (possibly) an arse.

You do not beat a guy AND stab him (or vice versa) unless you are trying to hurt him. This defense line is BS.

How about a kick in the arse with a big foot?

The really need to publish a picture of this "slightly pretty" girl.

So far in my life of 45 years, a few thousand strangers in the city and in crowds have grabbed my arm.
Would you have given me carte blanche to stab them all?
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Perplexed Punzi

Rapunzel are you serious?? You let a few thousand strange men grab you? Now I dont mean in clubs or social gatherings. I mean on the streets! What if they grab you and start dragging you somewhere?? I grew up with my single mom and my younger sister and I fear for them all the time. They are really tough ladies and dont take crap from anybody. I can just imagine some strange guy grabbing my sisters arm while shes walking and getting knocked in the face and kicked in the groin and the guy says " I just wanted to ask you the time!!" LOL. But seriously, ladies. Dont be lenient about these things. Safety first.

(1) You and I have a different definition of "stranger". Your definition is a male in a certain age category. My definition is "somebody I don't know."

For purposes of self-defense, I "counted" anybody who's about my size or larger. I have always been very petite. Thus, it has included almost all men; most women; most teens; large children; even very elderly people of both genders.

(2) I didn't "let" them grab me. They just did it. Most times it was on crowded streets or in crowded social scenes. Many more times than not they were accidents. Sometimes it was an elderly person who was losing her (or his) footing.

(3) The grabbing was primarily on my arms, shoulders, sides, and long hair. (Of course, some purposeful grabs were in more outre~ locations.)


After 45 years of city streets and crowds, this adds up to a lot of grabbing! That's why I said "thousands".

Whenever I have been grabbed, the first second it has always seemed like a "wrong-doing". (Elderly people behind me who lose their footing tend to get me the worst.) Thus, if I had a "strike/stab first, see who it is later" attitude, I believe that I would have badly injured and killed quite a few people by now.

Of course, if somebody (either gender, any age) nabbed me and tried to drag me away, I'd fight to the death. Luckily, it hasn't happened.

Punz is right.

Pushing shoving and grabbing are part of living in the city, catching the subway, going to a club, being at a crowded party. I guess thats what you mean Punz?

As for the case of these women, I really don't know enough about it to comment. Stabbing someone means you carried a knife. That's something you needn't do.

Krav Maga is brutal enough. In fact, after even my first Krav lesson some years ago I thought that it shouldn't be used except in life threatening situations.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QnwroUXFtvc