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**Sliliashdes** · 02-14-2006, 01:50 AM

Perhaps known as one of the greatest murder mysteries of all time, the assassination of President John F. Kennedy has for years intrigued scholars, authors and the average American citizen. The assassination can be classified into two distinct categories: method and significance. Few would argue that too much emphasis has been given to the method and very little to the significance. This is exactly how the perpetrators would like it to be. Photographic evidence along with eyewitness testimony has already conclusively proven that JFK was shot by more than one assassin. The Mary Mormon photo clearly shows the profile of a shooter behind the picket fence on the grassy knoll. It is obviously someone wearing a policeman's uniform {some speculate it was J.D. Tippit}. This was the fatal head shot. Two other bullets struck the President; the first one entered at the base of the throat and the second struck him in the back. While the positions of the assassins makes for a good game of clue, the more important issue is the significance of the assassination.

Many have speculated that the former Soviet Union, Cuba, the KKK, the Mafia, LBJ, CIA and the FBI all had strong motives to attempt this. However, given the connection of Lee Harvey Oswald to the CIA and Jack Ruby to the Mafia along with the altered autopsy reports, the evidence points to a coup de' dat by the CIA. They did it because they believed JFK was taking the United States on the wrong path towards dealing with communism. That is the reason why the cover-up has been sustained for so long. The perpetrators honestly believed they were doing the right thing for the United States at the time. The will of the people was discarded in favor of preserving the nation as they saw fit. Unfortunately, they didn't realize the long term effects of the assassination. One result was the increased power of capitalism over democracy. Profit has become more important than freedom. Corporations are more concerned with increasing the wealth of a select few than with promoting the general welfare of the very nation that allows them to conduct business. A second result has been the subordination of this nation's civil liberties to the private agendas of the powers that be. The only opinions that are accepted today are those that further the bottom line. Contrary opinions are discouraged and distorted by spin doctors. The only explanation for the lack of attention given to the significance of the assassination is because the government, the military and the media all know what happened and to expose the event for what it really was goes to the central core of what constitutes the United States of America.

**BundEnhamma** · 02-22-2006, 08:14 PM

For Christmas i was visiting relatives who relocated to Texas. I had the opportunity to visit the spot where he was killed and the museum in the book depository. I am too young to have been alive at the time, so I had no preconceived notions of what exactly happened. I can tell you that after leaving that museum there was absolutely no doubt in my mind that Kennedy was killed by a conspiracy plot.

**GalasaKoll** · 02-22-2006, 08:45 PM

Maybe.

Maybe not.

It will not come to full light until not only the people, but the programs instituted by those people are no longer around.

Blaming the death/assasination as one of the reasons capitolism overcame democracy is a ludicrous statement. Capitolism has always been dominant since the industrial revolution, and it was only the mere fact that we never truly had a governmental system of absolute authority back then and enough people that were pissed off enough to form orginized labor unions that we were not dominated entirely by the textile, steel, and automotive (among other) industries.

Not saying that a lot of that has also fallen prey to greed and basic human failings, but that is another subject.

I think the one thing that this government is in danger of becoming is a government that is somehow thought to be the ruling body of the united states, not as an orginization that is intended to follow the will of the states themselves.

National security, transportation, and other programs are all within the perview of the national administration, but so many others have been adopted in there that we are at risk of becoming a voluntarily (and I do not know the proper doctrine to call it) submissive political entity.

Blaming our troubles on a JFK assasination is mindless blather that even if it were true, would do nothing more than throw one group of the power hungry out to be replaced from another. We will still be careening downhill, but we will have changed our direction only marginally.

**Tjfyojlg** · 02-22-2006, 10:13 PM

Oswald didn't act alone, you have to be pretty naive (which I don't think you are) to think otherwise. Your "maybe, maybe not" thing is precious in a sort of juvenile way, but take your head out of the sand even if it means you may have to agree with someone for once.

**D6Ri5u13** · 02-22-2006, 10:48 PM

You mean to tell me what's his face that tried to shoot Reagan was part of a conspiracy too?

**PriniMai** · 02-22-2006, 11:15 PM

Where did he say that, Ninj?

**opergolon** · 02-22-2006, 11:53 PM

Abl, I am reading his comment:

Oswald didn't act alone, you have to be pretty naive (which I don't think you are) to think otherwise To either mean that Oswald could not have gotten a gun, shot twice (sorry, was it 3 times?) and done it all by himself. I have seen other documentaries that have shown that he could, if he knew what he was doing.

OR that he meant that there definitely WAS a conspiracy and anyone thinking otherwise is a "juvenile" with "his head [in] the sand".

All I am saying is that if it wasn't proven, it isn't fact. I am not willing to give up the simple explanation, even if it happens to be the one that best fit the parties that benefited from JFK's assassination, without proof.

It also does not mean I think that all the conspiracy theories are bunk either.

BTW, they are all HYPOTHESES since none of them have really been proven, and recreated...

**bppstorr** · 02-23-2006, 12:21 AM

Ablarc was right- you're putting words in my mouth.

**outdog** · 02-23-2006, 01:32 AM

Conspiracy? In Texas, of all places???

But who would dirty their fingers with such a thing??

hmmmmm .... http://www.wirednewyork.com/forum/sh...&postcount=174

**mtvlover571** · 02-23-2006, 05:35 AM

If you visit Dealy Plaza and see the very tight configuration of the place, as opposed the the "artist's renderings" we always get, you will see how preposterous the "single gunman theory" is.

**Maserati** · 02-23-2006, 06:44 AM

One really does need to visit to get a true sense of it- I was never so adamant about this until I visited in December for myself. I was overcome with certitude.

**Anteneprorid** · 03-02-2006, 05:24 AM

good points...

**lrtoinbert** · 03-02-2006, 06:10 PM

What are the chances of getting Bush & Cheney in an open convertible in Dealy Plaza and putting a couple of armed psychotics on the roofs surrounding the area? Or does Lyndon Johnson need to be alive for something like this to succeed.

**kneexyFreedly** · 03-21-2006, 10:34 PM

Anyone interested in Oleg Cassini's connection to CIA agent
George de Mohrenschildt's ties to JFK Assassination?

If so visit http://ciajfk.com/Oleg.html

Bruce Adamson

**atmowasia** · 09-04-2006, 12:52 PM

President's Security Agent Waves Away President's Security Guards Moments Before Assassination:

http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...+assassination

That is truly shocking. Perhaps there was a good reason for it. See how the bumper riding agent shrugs (3 times) questioning why he is called to move away from JFK?

Another issue - How Connolly and Kennedy were Seated in the Limo - And the One Bullet Theory?

http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...78137045380376

**ASSESTYTEAH** · 09-11-2006, 11:45 AM

I couldn't take anyone seriously who name's themself after an airport...

**bWxNFI3c** · 03-07-2007, 02:48 AM

I couldn't take anyone seriously who name's themself after an airport...

Well, you need to try some practice runs in a 77 ton PT boat in the Pacific Ocean against 2000 ton Japanese destroyers bristling with guns bigger than your boat...at night. Kennedy had some guts as a younger man, no question.

On the topic of JFK's demise, well, from what I read on the History Channel forums, part of a documentary made recently was not being aired on the History Channel, much to the outcry of many people in the public.

If you want to see the scariest film ever made, dare to click this link,

Episode III (the most interesting)

part 1
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eaWUcyjAeIk

part 2
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=05AsvqWfzts

part 3
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XJPWhn6P5fE

part 4
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ut-4QXzNBno

part 5
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7mzZGK9tNyM

Episode I

part 1
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bNTeQ9ckmD8

part 2
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hAW-bxxZfcM

part 3
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jmMXfBgjsh0

part 4
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IO5PAmCsw0I

part 5
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WMJMqbWJLQI

Episode II

part 1
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Ry3DrsN9PY

part 2
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zRLDm7YT25w

part 3
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uBbe0jexWn4

part 4
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oGNyprupDTU

part 5
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AZyJ1APE6Lc

Er, enjoy. Be chilled to the bone. Contribute and give the forum your opinion of these allegations.

**ReggieRed** · 03-07-2007, 05:16 PM

I've seen it before. It is a strong argument and one I tend to agree with. However, as each of those historians state there are dots to connect that can be done logically, but courts require evidence. It is a frustrating history and the present administration is a continuance of that ill time. Remember George H W Bush was a CIA big wig at the time - if not its director - those men who killed JFK, in my opinion, are still running the country.

**insightmike** · 03-07-2007, 05:53 PM

I've seen it before. It is a strong argument and one I tend to agree with. However, as each of those historians state there are dots to connect that can be done logically, but courts require evidence. It is a frustrating history and the present administration is a continuance of that ill time. Remember George H W Bush was a CIA big wig at the time - if not its director - those men who killed JFK, in my opinion, are still running the country.

Actually, it was Al Queda.

You didn't hear the latest press release from the Bush WH?

He wants to invade Nantucket.

**Ztcgtqvb** · 03-07-2007, 06:58 PM

Actually Papa George Bush was first elected to Congress in 1966; he became UN Ambassador in 1971 and it wasn't until 1976 that he was named Chief of the CIA.

At the time of JFK's assassination in 1963 GHWB was a Texas businessman, the presdient of ZAPATA Off-shore Drilling Company of Houston, Texas.

It has been reported that GHWB was a CIA Operative during that time in the early to mid-1960's, and while there is evidence to support this it remains "controversial".

Go HERE: http://demopedia.democraticundergrou...ination_letter to learn more about GHWB in TE\xas in 1963 -- and to read an FBI Memoriandum dated 11.22.63 regarding GHWB and a threat to President Kennedy.

02-14-2006, 01:50 AM	#1
Sliliashdes Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 375 Senior Member	JFK Assassination Perhaps known as one of the greatest murder mysteries of all time, the assassination of President John F. Kennedy has for years intrigued scholars, authors and the average American citizen. The assassination can be classified into two distinct categories: method and significance. Few would argue that too much emphasis has been given to the method and very little to the significance. This is exactly how the perpetrators would like it to be. Photographic evidence along with eyewitness testimony has already conclusively proven that JFK was shot by more than one assassin. The Mary Mormon photo clearly shows the profile of a shooter behind the picket fence on the grassy knoll. It is obviously someone wearing a policeman's uniform {some speculate it was J.D. Tippit}. This was the fatal head shot. Two other bullets struck the President; the first one entered at the base of the throat and the second struck him in the back. While the positions of the assassins makes for a good game of clue, the more important issue is the significance of the assassination. Many have speculated that the former Soviet Union, Cuba, the KKK, the Mafia, LBJ, CIA and the FBI all had strong motives to attempt this. However, given the connection of Lee Harvey Oswald to the CIA and Jack Ruby to the Mafia along with the altered autopsy reports, the evidence points to a coup de' dat by the CIA. They did it because they believed JFK was taking the United States on the wrong path towards dealing with communism. That is the reason why the cover-up has been sustained for so long. The perpetrators honestly believed they were doing the right thing for the United States at the time. The will of the people was discarded in favor of preserving the nation as they saw fit. Unfortunately, they didn't realize the long term effects of the assassination. One result was the increased power of capitalism over democracy. Profit has become more important than freedom. Corporations are more concerned with increasing the wealth of a select few than with promoting the general welfare of the very nation that allows them to conduct business. A second result has been the subordination of this nation's civil liberties to the private agendas of the powers that be. The only opinions that are accepted today are those that further the bottom line. Contrary opinions are discouraged and distorted by spin doctors. The only explanation for the lack of attention given to the significance of the assassination is because the government, the military and the media all know what happened and to expose the event for what it really was goes to the central core of what constitutes the United States of America. Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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02-22-2006, 08:14 PM	#2
BundEnhamma Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 448 Senior Member	For Christmas i was visiting relatives who relocated to Texas. I had the opportunity to visit the spot where he was killed and the museum in the book depository. I am too young to have been alive at the time, so I had no preconceived notions of what exactly happened. I can tell you that after leaving that museum there was absolutely no doubt in my mind that Kennedy was killed by a conspiracy plot. Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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02-22-2006, 08:45 PM	#3
GalasaKoll Join Date Nov 2005 Posts 441 Senior Member	Maybe. Maybe not. It will not come to full light until not only the people, but the programs instituted by those people are no longer around. Blaming the death/assasination as one of the reasons capitolism overcame democracy is a ludicrous statement. Capitolism has always been dominant since the industrial revolution, and it was only the mere fact that we never truly had a governmental system of absolute authority back then and enough people that were pissed off enough to form orginized labor unions that we were not dominated entirely by the textile, steel, and automotive (among other) industries. Not saying that a lot of that has also fallen prey to greed and basic human failings, but that is another subject. I think the one thing that this government is in danger of becoming is a government that is somehow thought to be the ruling body of the united states, not as an orginization that is intended to follow the will of the states themselves. National security, transportation, and other programs are all within the perview of the national administration, but so many others have been adopted in there that we are at risk of becoming a voluntarily (and I do not know the proper doctrine to call it) submissive political entity. Blaming our troubles on a JFK assasination is mindless blather that even if it were true, would do nothing more than throw one group of the power hungry out to be replaced from another. We will still be careening downhill, but we will have changed our direction only marginally. Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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02-22-2006, 10:13 PM	#4
Tjfyojlg Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 405 Senior Member	Oswald didn't act alone, you have to be pretty naive (which I don't think you are) to think otherwise. Your "maybe, maybe not" thing is precious in a sort of juvenile way, but take your head out of the sand even if it means you may have to agree with someone for once. Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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D6Ri5u13 Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 561 Senior Member	You mean to tell me what's his face that tried to shoot Reagan was part of a conspiracy too? Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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PriniMai Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 356 Senior Member	Where did he say that, Ninj? Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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opergolon Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 489 Senior Member	Abl, I am reading his comment: Oswald didn't act alone, you have to be pretty naive (which I don't think you are) to think otherwise To either mean that Oswald could not have gotten a gun, shot twice (sorry, was it 3 times?) and done it all by himself. I have seen other documentaries that have shown that he could, if he knew what he was doing. OR that he meant that there definitely WAS a conspiracy and anyone thinking otherwise is a "juvenile" with "his head [in] the sand". All I am saying is that if it wasn't proven, it isn't fact. I am not willing to give up the simple explanation, even if it happens to be the one that best fit the parties that benefited from JFK's assassination, without proof. It also does not mean I think that all the conspiracy theories are bunk either. BTW, they are all HYPOTHESES since none of them have really been proven, and recreated... Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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02-23-2006, 12:21 AM	#8
bppstorr Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 511 Senior Member	Ablarc was right- you're putting words in my mouth. Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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02-23-2006, 01:32 AM	#9
outdog Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 390 Senior Member	Conspiracy? In Texas, of all places??? But who would dirty their fingers with such a thing?? hmmmmm .... http://www.wirednewyork.com/forum/sh...&postcount=174 Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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02-23-2006, 05:35 AM	#10
mtvlover571 Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 408 Senior Member	If you visit Dealy Plaza and see the very tight configuration of the place, as opposed the the "artist's renderings" we always get, you will see how preposterous the "single gunman theory" is. Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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02-23-2006, 06:44 AM	#11
Maserati Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 436 Senior Member	One really does need to visit to get a true sense of it- I was never so adamant about this until I visited in December for myself. I was overcome with certitude. Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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03-02-2006, 05:24 AM	#12
Anteneprorid Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 489 Senior Member	good points... Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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03-02-2006, 06:10 PM	#13
lrtoinbert Join Date Nov 2005 Posts 380 Senior Member	What are the chances of getting Bush & Cheney in an open convertible in Dealy Plaza and putting a couple of armed psychotics on the roofs surrounding the area? Or does Lyndon Johnson need to be alive for something like this to succeed. Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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03-21-2006, 10:34 PM	#14
kneexyFreedly Join Date Nov 2005 Posts 372 Senior Member	Anyone interested in Oleg Cassini's connection to CIA agent George de Mohrenschildt's ties to JFK Assassination? If so visit http://ciajfk.com/Oleg.html Bruce Adamson Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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09-04-2006, 12:52 PM	#15
atmowasia Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 416 Senior Member	President's Security Agent Waves Away President's Security Guards Moments Before Assassination: http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...+assassination That is truly shocking. Perhaps there was a good reason for it. See how the bumper riding agent shrugs (3 times) questioning why he is called to move away from JFK? Another issue - How Connolly and Kennedy were Seated in the Limo - And the One Bullet Theory? http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...78137045380376 Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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09-11-2006, 11:45 AM	#16
ASSESTYTEAH Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 540 Senior Member	I couldn't take anyone seriously who name's themself after an airport... Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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03-07-2007, 02:48 AM	#17
bWxNFI3c Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 539 Senior Member	I couldn't take anyone seriously who name's themself after an airport... Well, you need to try some practice runs in a 77 ton PT boat in the Pacific Ocean against 2000 ton Japanese destroyers bristling with guns bigger than your boat...at night. Kennedy had some guts as a younger man, no question. On the topic of JFK's demise, well, from what I read on the History Channel forums, part of a documentary made recently was not being aired on the History Channel, much to the outcry of many people in the public. If you want to see the scariest film ever made, dare to click this link, Episode III (the most interesting) part 1 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eaWUcyjAeIk part 2 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=05AsvqWfzts part 3 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XJPWhn6P5fE part 4 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ut-4QXzNBno part 5 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7mzZGK9tNyM Episode I part 1 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bNTeQ9ckmD8 part 2 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hAW-bxxZfcM part 3 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jmMXfBgjsh0 part 4 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IO5PAmCsw0I part 5 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WMJMqbWJLQI Episode II part 1 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Ry3DrsN9PY part 2 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zRLDm7YT25w part 3 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uBbe0jexWn4 part 4 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oGNyprupDTU part 5 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AZyJ1APE6Lc Er, enjoy. Be chilled to the bone. Contribute and give the forum your opinion of these allegations. Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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03-07-2007, 05:16 PM	#18
ReggieRed Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 491 Senior Member	I've seen it before. It is a strong argument and one I tend to agree with. However, as each of those historians state there are dots to connect that can be done logically, but courts require evidence. It is a frustrating history and the present administration is a continuance of that ill time. Remember George H W Bush was a CIA big wig at the time - if not its director - those men who killed JFK, in my opinion, are still running the country. Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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03-07-2007, 05:53 PM	#19
insightmike Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 529 Senior Member	I've seen it before. It is a strong argument and one I tend to agree with. However, as each of those historians state there are dots to connect that can be done logically, but courts require evidence. It is a frustrating history and the present administration is a continuance of that ill time. Remember George H W Bush was a CIA big wig at the time - if not its director - those men who killed JFK, in my opinion, are still running the country. Actually, it was Al Queda. You didn't hear the latest press release from the Bush WH? He wants to invade Nantucket. Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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03-07-2007, 06:58 PM	#20
Ztcgtqvb Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 528 Senior Member	Actually Papa George Bush was first elected to Congress in 1966; he became UN Ambassador in 1971 and it wasn't until 1976 that he was named Chief of the CIA. At the time of JFK's assassination in 1963 GHWB was a Texas businessman, the presdient of ZAPATA Off-shore Drilling Company of Houston, Texas. It has been reported that GHWB was a CIA Operative during that time in the early to mid-1960's, and while there is evidence to support this it remains "controversial". Go HERE: http://demopedia.democraticundergrou...ination_letter to learn more about GHWB in TE\xas in 1963 -- and to read an FBI Memoriandum dated 11.22.63 regarding GHWB and a threat to President Kennedy. Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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