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Old 12-20-2005, 11:26 PM   #1
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Default Bill Clinton Spied On Americans
Bill Clinton Signed Executive Order that allowed Attorney General to do searches without court approval...
You can find that on Drudge but it might not stay there. However, I also have the link to Slick's executive order here.
This is all a bunch of crap with the Surrendercrats wanting to make hay out of the fact that the President has to defend America and Surrendercrats really don't care about that and just care about nailing Bush with something and even more importantly regaining power.
The pox on them and their house.
The President has to do what he has to do and when it comes to defending the nation then he needs and deserves a lot of leeway. Only Surrendercrats desperate for any kind of hit points against the President don't care and would sell out to OBL if that got them some votes.
Don't care if some of you are offended by that or not, but it's obvious as hell most Surrendercrats don't care if they are supporting traitors like Kerry or fruitcakes like Dean, neither of which has shown any interest in fighting for America.
The Attorney General ought to round up a bunch of these traitors, put them on trail and give them a shot of Raid.
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Old 12-21-2005, 12:33 AM   #2
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The Attorney General ought to round up a bunch of these traitors, put them on trail and give them a shot of Raid.
I'm sure the Nazi's talked as you do about "traitors." Islammic radicals and Chinese nationalists likely do the same. You're in good company.
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Old 12-21-2005, 01:08 AM   #3
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It is interesting what people pick out of a post to respond to. The main theme was that Clinton violated Americans civil liberties and the folks on the left are now angry over President Bush's violation of the terrorists so called civil liberties. I don't recall any outrage over this when Clinton was in office and it was a well known fact that he turned the IRS onto people among other things.
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Old 12-21-2005, 03:16 AM   #4
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The main theme was that Clinton violated Americans civil liberties and the folks on the left are now angry over President Bush's violation of the terrorists so called civil liberties.
I'm not too familiar with Clinton's executive order posted by the original poster; however, you've stated that Clinton violated American's civil liberties .. Did he do something that was contrary to the guidelines provided by FISA?
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Old 12-21-2005, 07:55 AM   #5
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If a Democrat violates civil rights it's ignored and hushed up. If a Republican does it, why all hell breaks loose. This is all nonsense and that is why nothing will come of it.
The President's number one job is to protect America and in performing that duty he has immense latitude.
W.E.B.s assertian is preposterous and rather silly in light of the threat we face.
As I keep saying, the left has absolutely no interest in defending America.
Their only priority and concern is to regain power. That is the filter you have to use when analyzing their actions and claims.
The hypocricy that is shown by the Surrendercrats is astounding, because if push came to shove, if the House and the Senate had to face a showdown on the question, they would have to back the President.
So this, just like the question of cutting and running from Iraq is something the Surrendercrats hold out for their gullible sheeple, but in reality they are in lockstep with the President and if the Republicans forced a vote on this and it could happen, then the Surrendercrats after shedding many alligator tears, would no doubt throw in the towel again and vote with the President.
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Old 12-21-2005, 08:02 AM   #6
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This reeks of the old school-yard excuse: "...awww but mom, he did it first!"
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Old 12-21-2005, 08:04 AM   #7
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Did Clinton really sign an executive order that sidestepped FISA?
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Old 12-21-2005, 08:07 AM   #8
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Yes, and so did Jimmy the Peanut President.
This is all a sideshow to keep the Surrendercrat Sheeples stirred up and happy. It's all bullshit of no worth and next month the Surrendercrats will be off to a new and equally phoney outrage.
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Old 12-21-2005, 10:22 AM   #9
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Did Clinton really sign an executive order that sidestepped FISA?
No. He modified FISA (Sect. 1822) to allow physical searches without a warrant, provided that the Attorney General "makes the certifications required by that section." Those certifications are:

i) the physical search is solely directed at premises, information, material, or property used exclusively by, or under the open and exclusive control of, a foreign power or powers, and

(ii) there is no substantial likelihood that the physical search will involve the premises, information, material, or property of a United States person.

See: TITLE 50--WAR AND NATIONAL DEFENSE - CHAPTER 36--FOREIGN INTELLIGENCE SURVEILLANCE - SUBCHAPTER II--PHYSICAL SEARCHES

The electronic surveillance section of FISA (Sect. 1802) reads the same way - the President can authorize electronic surveillance without a warrant, but only for communications "among and between" foreign powers, and only when it doesn't involve U.S. persons. Once it becomes domestic, a warrant is needed (4th Amendment protection).
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Old 12-21-2005, 02:10 PM   #10
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This Drudge Report has been debunked.

Drudge is playing fast and loose with language. Any reference to the actual statutes signed into law by President Clinton and Carter (cited by Drudge on his website) - shows that Drudge is 'misrepresenting the truth' here.

Nothing unusual.

Indeed, as soon as I saw Drudge still pushing this one after it has been show to be lies, I wondered which 'rightwing idiot at USPO' was going to post Drudges lies...
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Old 12-21-2005, 02:12 PM   #11
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I'm not too familiar with Clinton's executive order posted by the original poster; however, you've stated that Clinton violated American's civil liberties .. Did he do something that was contrary to the guidelines provided by FISA?
The "executive order posted by the original poster" has been shown to be fabricated by Drudge.
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