[Rategbee]

..... you seem to know a lot about communism, could you provide some examples/history of countries that have put that political system into practice and give us the long term outcome/results of communist governments?

Yes, the african blacks and the americas/indians were communist/communal countries. They lived peacfully for long periods of time with no private property or possessions. Unfortunately, neither had the foresight to defend their way of life militarily and that was their downfall. Lenin messed up the soviet union when he used funds from the international bankers for the bolshevik revolution, then failed to ban money

Whatever you wanna believe, man. Lots of people thought Socialism sounded good on paper, but when they saw it put into action, they knew what it was really about.

We are are all entitled to our own beliefs. Variety is the spice of life. As far as the communist ideology, in the present day i beleieve it as close as we will come to a perfect system to live under. I argue it's the people who are imperfect.

[onlineslotetes]

Communism has never existed on this planet, and the label is always inapplicable. The closest we ever got was Socialist Russia, and for a very brief time. Communism is either a global system, or it cannot be. Of course every other person describes anything not hardcore Capitalist as either Socialist or communist. But then, they're clearly ignorant of what these concepts entail. 'Communist China'. 'Communist Russia'. Socialist Europe'. lulz

The best of all possible systems would be one that utilises the means of production, as they function under Capitalism, but with a view to eliminating those cyclical extremes native to it. Such as booms and depressions are the inevitable product of any system driven by competition, and oriented towards profit. As directed by Capitalism, the 'Roaring Twenties' must infallibly give way to 'The Great Depression'. From champagne soiress to dustbowls. It is the nature of the beast.

Conversely, we see that Communism's great flaw resides in it's unwillingness to acknowledge individuality. That the family of man is no bee hive, characterised by hard-wired autonomous habit. Pretence of some 'collective' is no more than blindness, and beyond Maslow, there is unique expression. Suppression of such as religion is one such manifestation; symptomatic as it is of the aforementioned.

Being that self interest and the necessity of bias acts to counter any transition, our options reside only in perpetual status as wilful victims.

It's not that we are doomed, but that we prefer the devil we know. And, as always, we inherit the leader we deserve.

So burn. And do not complain. When Christ returns, there won't be a single one of us judged worthy.

First, i would like to apologize for caling you a sock. cotton got on my nerves there and it wasn't justified.

I agree Communism needs to be global to have access to natural resources without having to issue money to pay for them, which was a weakness in the Soviet system. Communism is however revolutionary, which the Bolshevik revolution was.

Yes, i agree capitalsm has many booms and busts, which a true moneyless society would not have. If money is the root of all evil, the a moneyless society should be ideal. You do realize we can incorporate this into our Western civilization? All we have to do is ban private property and money Then we have your market/demand economy without limits because there is no debt.

[Attarderb]

What do you do to attenuate the innate desire for a person to keep the fruits of their own labor? How do you deal with people who want "more" if everybody is equal? Is this single party making the rules, or is it pure democracy at the local level?

The fruits of their labor will be limitless without money. You need to think big picture here. Right now, the US wants to build a high speed rail syatem and has a high unemployment rate. The only thing that prevents us from putting the unemployed to work building the high speed rail system is money, or lack of it. No the party is not making the rules, that is rule from the top down. The party will be an instrument of the collective councils (a new term) and there will be term limits, no money and no lobbyists. This will be local democracy and true economic freedom.

[gydrorway]

Yes, the african blacks and the americas/indians were communist/communal countries. They lived peacfully for long periods of time with no private property or possessions. Unfortunately, neither had the foresight to defend their way of life militarily and that was their downfall. Lenin messed up the soviet union when he used funds from the international bankers for the bolshevik revolution, then failed to ban money.

..... so, you are saying communism has worked in relatively small, homogenous groups of primitive tribal people ..... until it needed to be defended .....

..... and those mean old jew bankers took down the people's utopia we knew as the Soviet Union .....

..... I think most folks are aware of those failed applications of communism .....

..... I'd expect one who advocates applying such a system to the present world to cite examples of the successes of communism in the present world .....

[usaguedriedax]

Lenin messed up the soviet union when he used funds from the international bankers for the bolshevik revolution, then failed to ban money. "Money" is just a unit of exchange.. It permits someone who, say, raises chickens to buy a new suit with something other than chickens..

Because, what if the tailor doesn't want or need any chickens? In that event, there's no new suit, right?

So, in this way, money has great utility.. It lets people get the things they need without going through a lot of shit.

What's the problem with that?

[CtEkM8Vq]

..... so, you are saying communism has worked in relatively small, homogenous groups of primitive tribal people ..... until it needed to be defended .....

Yes, , but it can work in a complex, scientific societies as well. When wall st. takes a dive, everyone starts talking about confidence. That's all that keeps us afloat. In communism, confidence is knowing everyone is doing their share, and that's all that's needed to make it work and without the boom bust cycle
..... and those mean old jew bankers took down the people's utopia we knew as the Soviet Union .....

..... I think most folks are aware of those failed applications of communism .....

..... I'd expect one who advocates applying such a system to the present world to cite examples of the successes of communism in the present world .....

First, sir the Soviet system was not communism. That was a totaltarian dictatorship with a command economy which they could never get to work properly. Second, the international bankers would never allow a system like i am describing to exist. It would put them out of business. Once established as a country and with no debt, a moneyless communist country could bleed a capitalist country to death in a war via debt.

[sherrferris]

"Money" is just a unit of exchange.. It permits someone who, say, raises chickens to buy a new suit with something other than chickens..

Because, what if the tailor doesn't want or need any chickens? In that event, there's no new suit, right?

So, in this way, money has great utility.. It lets people get the things they need without going through a lot of shit.

What's the problem with that?

Okay, i'll try to explain this here. In communism, everyone should do their share. We keep track of that electronically and that input is on a personal ID card like a credit card. If everyone does their share, they can buy whatever they need just as we do today as every "purchase will require use of this personal ID card. If they don't do their share, then they will recieve only bare sustenance: food, shelter and clothing with no entertainment or ability to purchase new items for a year let's say. This is the confidence that our modern money uses, but in a different form never experimented with by any contemporary socialist or communist country. So, we would use the proven utility of plastic like we currently do, but do away with fiat money, fractional reserve banking and metal coinage. Of course, there will be isues with hackers no doubt using this electronic method. Am i making sense or am i just a utopian off his rocker?

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[gusecrync]

First, sir the Soviet system was not communism. That was a totaltarian dictatorship with a command economy which they could never get to work properly. Second, the international bankers would never allow a system like i am describing to exist. It would put them out of business. Once established as a country and with no debt, a moneyless communist country could bleed a capitalist country to death in a war via debt.

..... you cited the Soviet Union it in response to my original inquiry ..... I only mentioned it in response to that citation .....

..... you have offered no instance of communist viability in a large scale world of recent or present times .....

..... all you have is your belief in the viability of a utopian system you call communism .....

..... such systems ignore the primary law of nature and only attempt to violate/defeat that eternal law .....

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Okay, i guess that's an affirmative on the off my rocker question. Some things are just too good to be true.

[Toivaluadiora]

Okay, i'll try to explain this here. In communism, everyone should do their share. We keep track of that electronically and that input is on a personal ID card like a credit card. If everyone does their share, they can buy whatever they need just as we do today as every "purchase will require use of this personal ID card. If they don't do their share, then they will recieve only bare sustenance: food, shelter and clothing with no entertainment or ability to purchase new items for a year let's say. This is the confidence that our modern money uses, but in a different form never experimented with by any contemporary socialist or communist country. So, we would use the proven utility of plastic like we currently do, but do away with fiat money, fractional reserve banking and metal coinage. Of course, there will be isues with hackers no doubt using this electronic method. Am i making sense or am i just a utopian off his rocker?

Well, there's going to be a problem here.. Several, actually.

1) The inherent corruptibility of men.

2) The authoritarian nature of such a society.

3) The complete inability of a small group of people to intelligently, centrally plan a large economy.

4) Unrest caused by better conditions elsewhere, in capitalist economies.

5) Unrest caused by inequity.. (Because let's face it.. Someone has to mine coal, while someone else sits in an office.)

6) Unrest caused by the brightest and most productive having their natural abilities curtailed and being subject to supporting the lazy and the worthless.

This isn't going to work..

What you'll end up with is fences to keep people in.. As opposed t keeping foreigners out.

[amehoubFomo]

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[Bugamerka]

..... you cited the Soviet Union it in response to my original inquiry ..... I only mentioned it in response to that citation .....

..... you have offered no instance of communist viability in a large scale world of recent or present times .....

..... all you have is your belief in the viability of a utopian system you call communism .....

..... such systems ignore the primary law of nature and only attempt to violate/defeat that eternal law .....

Well, there's going to be a problem here.. Several, actually.

1) The inherent corruptibility of men.

2) The authoritarian nature of such a society.

3) The complete inability of a small group of people to intelligently, centrally plan a large economy.

4) Unrest caused by better conditions elsewhere, in capitalist economies.

5) Unrest caused by inequity.. (Because let's face it.. Someone has to mine coal, while someone else sits in an office.)

6) Unrest caused by the brightest and most productive having their natural abilities curtailed and being subject to supporting the lazy and the worthless.

This isn't going to work..

What you'll end up with is fences to keep people in.. As opposed t keeping foreigners out.

For now i will declare you gentlemen the victors. There are too many problems to be worked out and an online forum is not the place to do this. I maintain that capitalism is an inefficient system that pits humans against eachother instead of uniting them and this causes the either or mentality you have seen on this thread. Good day.

[Kennypor]

Okay, i'll try to explain this here. In communism, everyone should do their share. We keep track of that electronically and that input is on a personal ID card like a credit card. If everyone does their share, they can buy whatever they need just as we do today as every "purchase will require use of this personal ID card. If they don't do their share, then they will recieve only bare sustenance: food, shelter and clothing with no entertainment or ability to purchase new items for a year let's say. This is the confidence that our modern money uses, but in a different form never experimented with by any contemporary socialist or communist country. So, we would use the proven utility of plastic like we currently do, but do away with fiat money, fractional reserve banking and metal coinage. Of course, there will be isues with hackers no doubt using this electronic method. Am i making sense or am i just a utopian off his rocker?

..... I wasn't going to go there right away .....

..... but now that you have brought the question into play .....

..... that seems to be an accurate assessment .....

..... and the fact that you have recognized the possibility of your affliction is a positive development .....

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[Npbfamgt]

Okay, i'll try to explain this here. In communism, everyone should do their share. We keep track of that electronically and that input is on a personal ID card like a credit card. If everyone does their share, they can buy whatever they need just as we do today as every "purchase will require use of this personal ID card. If they don't do their share, then they will recieve only bare sustenance: food, shelter and clothing with no entertainment or ability to purchase new items for a year let's say. This is the confidence that our modern money uses, but in a different form never experimented with by any contemporary socialist or communist country. So, we would use the proven utility of plastic like we currently do, but do away with fiat money, fractional reserve banking and metal coinage. Of course, there will be isues with hackers no doubt using this electronic method. Am i making sense or am i just a utopian off his rocker?

You just described the system as it already exists. You're not off your rocker...you're just an idiot.

[st01en_lox]

It certainly wouldn't be a highly productive society.. There's no incentive.

[usaneisfiecup]

Interesting thread...

Economics in a nutshell:

"People respond to incentives, everything else is commentary."

[dasneycomrov]

All ISM's are slavery.
And all ISM's are creations of the secret ORDER.


The Sun, the Moon, and the Master of the Lodge
Masonic symbology.

Red represents Esau/Edom
Rebellion.

[huylibizonoff]

Despite typically being presented as such, communism, as outlined by the Jew Marx, has nothing to do with economics. True communism is only a theorized mechanism for destroying every established societal order. It's self-perpetuating and never ending. Mordecai only discussed how to destroy society.

True communism is alive and well today, especially in America. We commonly refer to them as the left, or liberals or libtards. Their only mission in life is to destroy traditional American values.