[seawolferr]

I think black people are, haven't seen that many of us every argue for non egalitarian practices towards other race. Some Arabs were egalitarian than others, thats why they have more SSA DNA than other peoples.

[snunsebrugs]

I think black people are, haven't seen that many of us every argue for non egalitarian practices towards other race.

Affirmative Action is the opposite of egalitarian.

Equal opportunities - Good
Equal outcomes - Bad

[Vkowefek]

Affirmative Action.

That is to make equal what isn't equal, egalitarianism. Going against it is not egalitarian.

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Israelis are the least egalitarian in the Middle East.

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Affirmative Action is the opposite of egalitarian.

Equal opportunities - Good
Equal outcomes - Bad

What are equal outcomes bad? Well capitalism is anti egalitarian in itself.

[BokerokyBan]

That is to make equal what isn't equal, egalitarianism. Going against it is not egalitarian.

Forcing organisations to hire black people is discrimination on the grounds of race.
This is where equality of outcomes leads.

Equality of opportunity is the egalitarian option, where people are hired because they are the best person for the job, not because of their race and/or sex. Equal opportunities means that a white man and a black woman have just as much chance to get hired.

Now that won't necessarily lead to equal outcomes, but everyone had an equal chance to get the job. If we are going to force people to hire a certain amount of ethnic minorities or women or whatever, then you will I assume have no problem with NBA basketball teams being forced to pick disabled white women over the age of 50 for their team. Otherwise those basketball teams are guilty of sexism, racism and ageism, as well as discriminating against the disabled.

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Equal opportunity - work harder and you will probably get more
Equal outcome - Some people work hard and some people don't but they all get the same reward

Which is egalitarian?

[ancexttew]

I think anyone regardless of race disagrees with the concept of Affirmative Action, on the other hand, we all know what happens if Affirmative Action is removed. And by the way White women also benefit from AA (many say they are the ones benefiting the most)

[JewJoleSole]

AA never forces anyone to hire anyone else, only those most qualified are eligible.

[uneniaPhenits]

AA never forces anyone to hire anyone else, only those most qualified are eligible.

Well I don't know how it works exactly as it is illegal in the UK, but it is still favouring one group over another on the grounds of race or sex.

It's a shame that discrimination and slavery and many other things have left the impact that they have, but why limit the opportunities of white males today as a result of that? We weren't even born when those things happened.

[Queueftof]

Well I don't know how it works exactly as it is illegal in the UK, but it is still favouring one group over another on the grounds of race or sex.

It's a shame that discrimination and slavery and many other things have left the impact that they have, but why limit the opportunities of white males today as a result of that? We weren't even born when those things happened.

Its not favoring one group another.

[ClaudeMarkus]

Its not favoring one group another.

How is affirmative action not favouring certain groups over others?

[CaseyFronczek]

How is affirmative action not favouring certain groups over others?

Whiteness in itself is an advantage over other groups, the same people who are against AA are the same ones who believe and want their ethnic group or race to be dominant over other races and ethnicities so they make policies to limit the number of success ful people who are not their ethnicity or race.

[ligaliaCods]

I don't believe a egalitarian society ever existed, besides possibly nomadic groups. In other words each society or materialistic culture had some sought of hierarchical structure, where you had the elite and those in the bottom of the social or class ladder. I am talking historically both past and present, and globally.

[Juersdodfs]

Whiteness in itself is an advantage over other groups, the same people who are against AA are the same ones who believe and want their ethnic group or race to be dominant over other races and ethnicities so they make policies to limit the number of success ful people who are not their ethnicity or race.

That isn't answering the question I asked, so I will answer it myself.

Germany. Article 3 of the German Basic Law provides for equal rights of all people regardless of sex, race or social background. There are programs stating that if men and women have equal qualifications, women have to be preferred for a job; moreover, the handicapped should be preferred to healthy people. This is typical for all positions in state and university service as of 2007, typically using the phrase "We try to increase diversity in this line of work". In recent years, there has been a long public debate about whether to issue programs that would grant women a privileged access to jobs in order to fight discrimination. "if men and women have equal qualifications, women have to be preferred for a job"
Equal outcomes instead of equal opportunity, not egalitarian.

[comprar-espana]

I don't believe a egalitarian society ever existed, besides possibly nomadic groups. In other words each society or materialistic culture had some sought of hierarchical structure, where you had the elite and those in the bottom of the social or class ladder.

Egalitarianism has degrees, true. I remember some anthropologist saying that all SSA DNA in Arabs shouldn't be interpreted as slave trade because some Islamic groups were egalitarian and believed the Koranic scriptures that emphasizes equality of all humans. But that would require geneticists studying each Islamic group and time periods in detail which is time consuming to them so half the story gets told.

[tipokotap]

Sweden. Special treatments of certain groups are commonplace in Sweden. Leveraging of the opportunities of these groups is encouraged by the state. One example is the police, who give women and people from other cultural and ethnic backgrounds concessions when it comes to testing for entrance to the police academy. Did better than him in the exam? Sorry, we gave him the job because he is not white and you are.
Equality of outcomes not equality of opportunity.

[MYMcvBgl]

That isn't answering the question I asked, so I will answer it myself.



"if men and women have equal qualifications, women have to be preferred for a job"
Equal outcomes instead of equal opportunity, not egalitarian.

Yet there are still more men in positions that carry clout and influence than women and women are significantly less paid than men who have same or even less qualifications than women have. Your shit doesn't add up Jon Wayne.

[suiviouse]

Yet there are still more men in positions that carry clout and influence than women and women are significantly less paid than men who have same or even less qualifications than women have. Your shit doesn't add up Jon Wayne.

Citation needed.

[Greapyjeory]

Citation needed.

The constitution in America prohibits discrimination based on race and gender but one group still dominates the others, white males, and they argue nail and tooth against challenge to their dominance.

[golfmenorca]

The constitution in America prohibits discrimination based on race and gender but one group still dominates the others, white males, and they argue nail and tooth against challenge to their dominance.

The President of the country is black!

This proves black people have the chance to do anything they want. If they are still worse off than everyone else, who is to blame? They get the same chance as everyone else and are in the same education system and everything. Racism against Jews and Chinese people has been just as prevalent, but yet they are doing better than whites on average.

[Kayakeenemeds]

The President of the country is black!

This proves black people have the chance to do anything they want. If they are still worse off than everyone else, who is to blame? They get the same chance as everyone else and are in the same education system and everything. Racism against Jews and Chinese people has been just as prevalent, but yet they are doing better than whites on average.

Are you insinuating there is no racism because there is a black president? If you believe that shit reverse discrimination through AA doesn't exist because all of the presidents and Prime Ministers in the United States and Europe are white and male, , stop compaining about racism liar.

[euylvaygdq]

Egalitarianism has degrees, true. I remember some anthropologist saying that all SSA DNA in Arabs shouldn't be interpreted as slave trade because some Islamic groups were egalitarian and believed the Koranic scriptures that emphasizes equality of all humans. But that would require geneticists studying each Islamic group and time periods in detail which is time consuming to them so half the story gets told.

Yeah, they probably married Muslim Blacks or converts... Could you give me a source for your claim, please?