[klnbgqr]

Are you happy with the terms Australoids, Melanesians, Negritos, Papuans, Orang Aslis, Tasmanians, Veddoids, etc. in describing these various people? I know these were made in earnest, but given the knowledge that we have today, what terms would you use instead that would better describe these people?

[cakaeroryrere]

Ancestral Tropical Asians is a good one.ATA's.Heck,we have ASI
(Ancestral South Indian).Why not ATA,the term makes more sense than Australoid.

[PharmaDrMan]

Good point. Naming someone according to tribe is the better way of doing things for me but I understand that this isn’t an option for everyone.

What I am less happy with though, is when people think that all Australoids have to look a certain way. What comes to thought in most people’s minds at the mention of the term is either some Indian Tribal people group or a picture of a group of Australian aboriginal children sitting somewhere out there in the Australian desert.

If people are adamant in their minds that this be the Australoid-look, than why not go ahead and cut out Australomelanesia from the spectrum? This is because the Melanesians really do mess up the 'standard' Australoid phenotype. They don’t just mess up the Australoid spectrum, in some ways they are also messing up other things pertaining to race and phenotype on a wider scale.

Take a look at the photos I posted about New Guinea. http://www.forumbiodiversity.com/sho...t=31997&page=2

How many of these people would pass/qualify in the minds of most people as being Australoid ? Some would I guess, but I doubt all of them could. None of the photos are mixed people; but that is just the way we look. We have looked this way for thousands of years and are not some recent triracial or biracial mix. We had this look when the Europeans where still not yet out of Africa and we looked this way when the Chinese forbearers were still milking yaks in Mongolia.

An everyday example would be when I am outside of Oceania: nobody (except my own people), I repeat nobody ever gets my ethnicity correct. I have to fight to be an Australoid because people think that if you do not look close to an Australian Aboriginal than you cannot make the cut. It’s crazy because I am as pure as it comes.

So where would I fit? In the other three groups? Nope, I fit under the Australoid umbrella. That umbrella really needs fixing as has been suggested but before that happens; the world must know that we range a lot in looks - and I mean a whole lot when you honestly including Melanesians/Papuans/Oceanians.

I guess the closest would be Asian but they are still are not the same as us.

Look at my avatar: 100 % Australomelanesian child – I guess that is also another example of a spanner being thrown into the ‘Australoid phenotype’ works isn’t it?






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[Qzmsdoem]

Good point. Naming someone according to tribe is the better way of doing things for me but I understand that this isn’t an option for everyone.

What I am less happy with though, is when people think that all Australoids have to look a certain way. What comes to thought in most people’s minds at the mention of the term is either some Indian Tribal people group or a picture of a group of Australian aboriginal children sitting somewhere out there in the Australian desert.

If people are adamant in their minds that this be the Australoid-look, than why not go ahead and cut out Australomelanesia from the spectrum? This is because the Melanesians really do mess up the 'standard' Australoid phenotype. They don’t just mess up the Australoid spectrum, in some ways they are also messing up other things pertaining to race and phenotype on a wider scale.

Take a look at the photos I posted about New Guinea. http://www.forumbiodiversity.com/sho...t=31997&page=2

How many of these people would pass/qualify in the minds of most people as being Australoid ? Some would I guess, but I doubt all of them could. None of the photos are mixed people; but that is just the way we look. We have looked this way for thousands of years and are not some recent triracial or biracial mix. We had this look when the Europeans where still not yet out of Africa and we looked this way when the Chinese forbearers were still milking yaks in Mongolia.

An everyday example would be when I am outside of Oceania: nobody (except my own people), I repeat nobody ever gets my ethnicity correct. I have to fight to be an Australoid because people think that if you do not look close to an Australian Aboriginal than you cannot make the cut. It’s crazy because I am as pure as it comes.

So where would I fit? In the other three groups? Nope, I fit under the Australoid umbrella. That umbrella really needs fixing as has been suggested but before that happens; the world must know that we range a lot in looks - and I mean a whole lot when you honestly including Melanesians/Papuans/Oceanians.

I guess the closest would be Asian but they are still are not the same as us.

Look at my avatar: 100 % Australomelanesian child – I guess that is also another example of a spanner being thrown into the ‘Australoid phenotype’ works isn’t it?






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I think maybe the reason why the Australoid category is so diverse is because Australoids evolved in their own direction for a very,very long time(first out of Africa,anyone?).They also partially helped give birth to the East Asian,Indian subcontinental, and Southeast Asian races today.But there has to be something that connects all these Australo Melanesian groupings together and distinguishes them.I notice the non stereotypical "Australoid" you post have a very ambigious,non "specialized" phenotype.But,the South Pacific and in fact the tropical regions of South and Southeast Asia is a goldmine of non documented racial phenotypes from a variety of Australoid ancestors,maybe with mixing,or not.I know there is a lot more going on than "Indid" and especially the idiotic "Paleo-Mongoloid".

Btw,what are you taken as outside of Oceania or by people unaware of Oceanians?I recall your photos from a while back,and over here(the Americas) you would probably be mistaken as "Hispanic" of Caribbean or South American origins(the terms Zambo and Triracial come to mind),by people unaware of Oceanians.

[en-druzhba]

Btw,what are you taken as outside of Oceania or by people unaware of Oceanians?I recall your photos from a while back,and over here(the Americas) you would probably be mistaken as "Hispanic" of Caribbean or South American origins(the terms Zambo and Triracial come to mind),by people unaware of Oceanians.

Here are some of them:

Indonesian – and that’s the closest guess. I don’t mind it at all.

Indian as in Desi – I don’t know which parts of India they are referring to but it may be because I have a tonne of Indian friends and if I am with them, this is what other people might assume. I used to be called “little Indian boy” growing up too. (That’s another story)

Sri Lankan – well I really don’t know how that happened there but I got called it several times. I am still unsure about it especially considering that I am built according to the ‘typical Pacific Islander Specifications’ (muscles and all). Maybe they were refereeing to my face? I don’t know.

Sudanese – by someone who had worked in Khartoum and had never been to Oceania. We met somewhere and he asked if I was Sudanese so I had to explain to him. Sudanese are slender. I’m not thin and also not fat. I am built wide from shoulder to shoulder and my arms and legs carry a whole lot more flesh (in the muscle sense).

I went to get a haircut. There was an Arab barber there. I don’t know his specific country of origin. And although he didn’t say where he thought I was from, he started speaking Arabic to me. He was trying to ask about how short I wanted my hair and also which part (of his world) that I came from.

But there are also instances of other pacific Islanders , however, that would walk up to me and just plainly ask me about the island in the Pacific I originate from. I guess I can’t hide from my own kind.

My mom would probably pass as an exotic black women and my dad gets called Eurasian on his travels so I would like to exaggerate it further and say that he could pass as a handsome Eurasian guy.

I am the product of that.









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[Corryikilelet]

Here are some of them:

Indonesian – and that’s the closest guess. I don’t mind it at all.

Indian as in Desi – I don’t know which parts of India they are referring to but it may be because I have a tonne of Indian friends and if I am with them, this is what other people might assume. I used to be called “little Indian boy” growing up too. (That’s another story)

Sri Lankan – well I really don’t know how that happened there but I got called it several times. I am still unsure about it especially considering that I am built according to the ‘typical Pacific Islander Specifications’ (muscles and all). Maybe they were refereeing to my face? I don’t know.

Sudanese – by someone who had worked in Khartoum and had never been to Oceania. We met somewhere and he asked if I was Sudanese so I had to explain to him. Sudanese are slender. I’m not thin and also not fat. I am built wide from shoulder to shoulder and my arms and legs carry a whole lot more flesh (in the muscle sense).

I went to get a haircut. There was an Arab barber there. I don’t know his specific country of origin. And although he didn’t say where he thought I was from, he started speaking Arabic to me. He was trying to ask about how short I wanted my hair and also which part (of his world) that I came from.

But there are also instances of other pacific Islanders , however, that would walk up to me and just plainly ask me about the island in the Pacific I originate from. I guess I can’t hide from my own kind.

My mom would probably pass as an exotic black women and my dad gets called Eurasian on his travels so I would like to exaggerate it further and say that he could pass as a handsome Eurasian guy.

I am the product of that.









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Eurasian as in an East Asian and European mixture?That's pretty interesting and unexpected.What kind of Indonesian are you mixed up with usally?I assume maybe Moluccan?

[elektikaka]

Eurasian as in an East Asian and European mixture?That's pretty interesting and unexpected.What kind of Indonesian are you mixed up with usally?I assume maybe Moluccan?

Yeah, I think they mean like Asian + European mix when speaking of my father.

For me the Indonesian I am taken for would be Moluccan, and Flores Islander. But at other times I am not quite sure because they just speak the language to me and I respond back in kind. I could alternatively give a blank stare but that’s rude considering that Indonesians generally are very nice people.

I have been mistaken for Timorese too.

BTW do you get mistaken for anything? Sometimes you look ambiguous and at other times you look totally…..COUGH!....Headhunter in appearance . What have you been mistaken for IRL? Do you have any such instances?




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[loyalgagora]

Yeah, I think they mean like Asian + European mix when speaking of my father.

For me the Indonesian I am taken for would be Moluccan, and Flores Islander. But at other times I am not quite sure because they just speak the language to me and I respond back in kind. I could alternatively give a blank stare but that’s rude considering that Indonesians generally are very nice people.

I have been mistaken for Timorese too.

BTW do you get mistaken for anything? Sometimes you look ambiguous and at other times you look totally…..COUGH!....Headhunter in appearance . What have you been mistaken for IRL? Do you have any such instances?




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Hmmm,good question.Since I am ambigious looking,I get a variety of different guesses.Usually I get mistaken as generic Latino,often Mexican,Central American or Puerto Rican.Another that I get very frequently is South Asian,often Pakistani but also Indian(not sure what kind).In middle school I remember more than one incidence where the gym teacher mixed up me and a Saudi kid by name.I have gotten "Arabian" or Arab too.

With long hair since my hair is straight until it gets near my ears,then which it turns into frizzy "skater boy hair",I would get Native American(I actually got guessed that by a Hawaiin woman),Hawaiin,or Filipino.Or I would still get South Asian.

Or my favorite guess:"What the hell are you!?"

I have been spoken to and approached in Spanish too many times to count,and once in Hindi(I'm just assuming since I am not sure about their languages) at an Indian grocery store.