[wmhardware]

It seems like a lot of people say this all the time as if it were some kind of fact. Where are they getting this from? Anecdotal evidence I assume. Well we all know that anecdotal evidence is no evidence at all.

According to 23andMe "While much has been written about European ancestry among African Americans what’s less well known is how many Americans, like me, who consider themselves white also have African ancestry.

Researchers at 23andMe looked at the genetic ancestry of about 78,000 customers likely to consider themselves as entirely of European ancestry and found that somewhere between 3 percent and 4 percent of those people have “hidden” African ancestry.

The percent of African ancestry is relatively low with the majority of individuals having just 0.5 percent to 0.75 percent — which suggests that those people have an African ancestor who lived about six generations, or about 200 years, ago."

That is right. Between 3 and 4 percent of European descended Americans are mixed that weren't aware of it. When you are mixed you know it typically. I wonder what the numbers are for people who think they are mixed(i.e. "my great grandfather was a Sioux") and in reality are not.

http://spittoon.23andme.com/2011/09/...try/#more-9733


White Americans are not mixed in any serious numbers at all.

[sDePrx59]

I thought I was mixed, but genetic testing shows that I am 100% European. Kinda boring actually.

[KacypeJeope]

I thought I was mixed, but genetic testing shows that I am 100% European. Kinda boring actually.

What did you think your mix was Larali? Did your husband get tested too?

I grew up being told we were part Lakota Sioux but I figured it was BS that my grandmother and mother made up because they thought Indians were cool. I was correct both by DNA and genealogy.

[mussmicky]

In this study:
http://www.disabled-world.com/health...#ixzz10xO4xTrP

48 percent of those who self-reported as Caucasian had more than 95 percent European American ancestry, meaning that 52 % of white Americans are less than 95% european genetically. As for black Americans: the study shows only 5 percent of patients who self-reported to be African American had more than 95 percent West African ancestry.

[Joesred]

White Americans are not mixed in any serious numbers at all.

Yes they are. They are mixture of various stuff that their ancestors from Europe brought with them. Only way to not make them mixed is invent something called "White" which includes all different European ethnicities.

Truth is that you all are mixture of British (which allready includes different ethnicties), German, Polish, Italian (which is two different people to beginwith), Finnish, Slovakian etc.

Baseline is: all Americans are mixed.

[k1ePRlda]

Of course they're mixed, different European ethnicity's = mixed for start, you wont hear a proud native Pole or Italian calling themselves "white" like some sort of mutt, they are Italian , Polish, Irish etc.

Then there's the native and black blood which isn't exactly unheard of, more so in certain areas.

[ClapekDodki]

Yes they are. They are mixture of various stuff that their ancestors from Europe brought with them. Only way to not make them mixed is invent something called "White" which includes all different European ethnicities.

Truth is that you all are mixture of British (which allready includes different ethnicties), German, Polish, Italian (which is two different people to beginwith), Finnish, Slovakian etc.

Baseline is: all Americans are mixed.

That's completely wrong, actually. And since when is British a mix of all those ethnicities?

[JANALA]

What did you think your mix was Larali? Did your husband get tested too?

I grew up being told we were part Lakota Sioux but I figured it was BS that my grandmother and mother made up because they thought Indians were cool. I was correct both by DNA and genealogy.

Supposedly (family lore) my maternal grandmother was part "Indian". (Nobody knew which tribe.) I grew up visiting Indian cemeteries, hearing stories and all that. But when I got the DNA test none of the genes showed up, so if it is true, then it was too far in the past to show up in my DNA.

Wutever...

[OixKKcj1]

Almost all Americans are mixed I guess besides recent immigrants. A mixture between different ethnic groups is still a mixture.

[Mimsykzr]

That's completely wrong, actually. And since when is British a mix of all those ethnicities?

I think he meant that Brits are a mix of various ethnicies (english, welsh, scottish, cornish, irish)

[RildFiemodo]

I think he meant that Brits are a mix of various ethnicies (english, welsh, scottish, cornish, irish)

O.K., then it's even more wrong the way he wrote it, all those ethnicities........I'm not, for instance. Finnish or Italian, if I have either of these ethnicities it's negligible.

[dianakroshXX]

I think he meant that Brits are a mix of various ethnicies (english, welsh, scottish, cornish, irish)

some arent, gallagher brothers strike me as pure looking native brits.

[occallExtet]

O.K., then it's even more wrong the way he wrote it, all those ethnicities........I'm not, for instance.

some arent, gallagher brothers strike me as pure looking native brits.

Gallaghers are irish and they are from UK not Amerika.
Anyway, 'Brits are a mix of various ethnicies' does not mean that every Brit is a mix of english, scottish etc, some are, some not. Its the fact that 'British' is not an ethnical category itself, but national- under name of a Brits you will find an englishman and a scotsman.

[kaiayout]

Gallaghers are irish and they are from UK not Amerika.
Anyway, 'Brits are a mix of various ethnicies' does not mean that every Brit is a mix of english, scottish etc, some are, some not. Its the fact that 'British' is not an ethnical category itself, but national- under name of a Brits you will find an englishman and a scotsman.

Actually Americans traditionally don't mix Scottish and English under British. I do, but i'm one quarter British Isles heritage, so I don't divide that up. An American Scot who knows they're Scottish would never AFAIK call themselves british. That would be rare in any case.

[alanamosteller]

Gallaghers are irish and they are from UK not Amerika.
Anyway, 'Brits are a mix of various ethnicies' does not mean that every Brit is a mix of english, scottish etc, some are, some not. Its the fact that 'British' is not an ethnical category itself, but national- under name of a Brits you will find an englishman and a scotsman.

But, Can you tell apart those Irish phenotypes in most of the UK? Therefore being hald english half scottish is way different than being half italian half finnish, the ethnic mix is only because both countries are not the same (politically) but the people living there are pretty much interchangeable.

[ZZChristopher]

ps from what I read in fact mixing was not that common as we perceive it, untill 100 years ago or in some communities maybe 50 years ago. Amerika as a complete mish-mash is just quite recent invention. For a long time members of many communities used to stick to their own kind. Scotts lived next door to Germans, but did not mix for a few generations. English stayed with english, Scandinavians were known for staying apart too. Italians were very family oriented and closed community, they at first did not even intermarry with Italians from other parts of Italy, forget foreigners. Irish, Spanish, Polish, Jewish etc thay stayed in own communities for a while too.
I was surprised myself reading that, but it sounds even rational when you analyse it. People came from various parts of the world or even Europe, various languages, habits, religions- before you get americanised, it takes a while, then your edge need to soften, openess to come up etc.

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Actually Americans traditionally don't mix Scottish and English under British. I do, but i'm one quarter British Isles heritage, so I don't divide that up. An American Scot who knows they're Scottish would never AFAIK call themselves british. That would be rare in any case.

I understand, my input was mainly in relation to what other member said and what was misread imo.

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But, Can you tell apart those Irish phenotypes in most of the UK? Therefore being hald english half scottish is way different than being half italian half finnish, the ethnic mix is only because both countries are not the same (politically) but the people living there are pretty much interchangeable.

yeah like we have these maps on this forum, there are various distances or differences between nations and all British nations, including Irish, seem to cluster close to each other, relatively, so you are quite right- but for the sake of precision you need to maintain this ethnic division. West Germans are like brothers to Dutch, but still mainiatin separate identity, its the same here.

[ftpsoft]

ps from what I read in fact mixing was not that common as we perceive it, untill 100 years ago or in some communities maybe 50 years ago. Amerika as a complete mish-mash is just quite recent invention. For a long time members of many communities used to stick to their own kind. Scotts lived next door to Germans, but did not mix for a few generations. English stayed with english, Scandinavians were known for staying apart too. Italians were very family oriented and closed community, they at first did not even intermarry with Italians from other parts of Italy, forget foreigners. Irish, Spanish, Polish, Jewish etc thay stayed in own communities for a while too.
I was surprised myself reading that, but it sounds even rational when you analyse it. People came from various parts of the world or even Europe, various languages, habits, religions- before you get americanised, it takes a while, then your edge need to soften, openess to come up etc.

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I understand, my input was mainly in relation to what other member said and what was misread imo.

Yes, that's definitely the case. A lot of it has to do with geography, actually, Germans in one area, Swedes in another, etc.

[Mearticbaibre]

I believe that at least 60% of American whites are mixed

[xsexymasterix]

I believe that at least 60% of American whites are mixed

Mixed with various West Eurasian (mostly Western European) groups, not Sub Saharan Africans or Amerindians.

[Wxrxnhar]

I believe that at least 60% of American whites are mixed

Mere speculation. Mixed what exactly?