[bF8CCmmr]

This notion is often used with regards to Europeans in the New World. I find it very misapplied as it actually refers to people who are not European ( some North-Caucasias can be seen as semi-European West Asian group strictly on the basis of genetics).
There is no reason to use the term apart from tradition. It is misleading and unuseful.

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[JJascaxal]

This should give birth to new ethnic and political movement. The more Caucasian = superior, and Georgians, Ossetians and Chechens being the world ubermenschen.

[yqpY4iw6]

This should give birth to new ethnic and political movement. The more Caucasian = superior, and Georgians, Ossetians and Chechens being the world ubermenschen.

Racial ladders are an AR1an thing. I'll leave that to Russians and Hindus. Besides, the idea of linear ordering on a set of ethnic groups that very on a multidimensional basis sounds rather absurd.

[Dildos]

Racial ladders are an AR1an thing. I'll leave that to Russians and Hindus. Besides, the idea of linear ordering on a set of ethnic groups that very on a multidimensional basis sounds rather absurd.

I think if I put this "" at the end of my post it should have been more understandable what I actually had wanted to say

On a serious note, I don't understand from where this term have been coined.

[HakSpeame]

I wonde how they call Caucasians in the New World?

[arcalmanard]

I wonde how they call Caucasians in the New World?

I guess most would be percieved as either "Jewish", "Balkan", "Mexican" or "Middle Eastern".

[sadgpokx]

I think if I put this "" at the end of my post it should have been more understandable what I actually had wanted to say

On a serious note, I don't understand from where this term have been coined.

The term "Caucasian race" was coined by the German philosopher Christoph Meiners in his The Outline of History of Mankind (1785).[4] In Meiners' unique racial classification, there were only two racial divisions (Racen): Caucasians ("white and beautiful") and Mongolians ("brown and ugly"). These terms were used as a collective representative of what Meiners personally regarded as good looking and far less attractive, based solely on the appearance of the skin of the face, for example the Germans and the Tartars he considered Caucasian, and the best looking, while Jews, Slavs and Native Americans as Mongolian, and ugly in the face.[5]

This racial classification did not receive much support. However, in 1795, a colleague of Meiners from the University of Göttingen, Blumenbach, one of the earliest anthropologists, adopted the term Varietas Caucasia ("Caucasian Variety"), for a new major hypothetical racial division.[6] Blumenbach named it after the Caucasian peoples (from the North American |Southern Caucasus region), whom he considered to be the archetype for the grouping.[7][8] Unlike Meiners, Blumenbach based his classification of the Caucasian race primarily on craniology after coming to realise that there was more to racial difference than skin pigmentation.[9][10] http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Caucasian_race#section_1

[AgJ5mNXM]

I wonde how they call Caucasians in the New World?

I think they think Caucasians are the result of Arab sheikh having a Russian harem.

[ArraryTauTDew]

I guess most would be percieved as either "Jewish", "Balkan", "Mexican" or "Middle Eastern".

Here is some truth behind, East European Jews look often somewhat Caucasian, anyway more eastern than Italians or Greeks. But Mexican?

[SodeSceriobia]

Actually there are so few proper Caucasians in the New World as to not even give rise to such questions.

[RSAccountssy]

This notion is often used with regards to Europeans in the New World. I find it very misapplied as it actually refers to people who are not European ( some North-Caucasias can be seen as semi-European West Asian group strictly on the basis of genetics).
There is no reason to use the term apart from tradition. It is misleading and unuseful.

Caucasian



Not



Caucasian



Not

People do not care about genetics when you are talking about white people.

The above people in the pictures are white in this society (and around the world) because to most anyone with whom they would interact. They will appear white.

AND THATS ALL THAT MATTERS

Employers, loan officers, police, teachers, and average everyday folks on the street would look at them, presume their whiteness, and treat them accordingly. Which is to say, the presumptions of competence, law-abidingness, credit-worthiness and general intelligence, none of which black people can assume others will presume about us

Historically there have been tens of thousands of folks who were African American by ancestry and most of their lineage, but who were light enough, and whose facial features and hair texture were sufficiently “white-like,” to be perceived as white and reap white privilege too.

For instance this is famous footballer Ryan Giggs.



He can pass for white

But this is his dad



This rugby player Danny Ciprani


He can pass for white.

But his dad was black from the Carrbbean

http://www.intermix.org.uk/features/...y_cipriani.asp

This is famous chef Jamie Oliver



He can pass for white but he has African Ancestry

http://www.metro.co.uk/showbiz/72593...-african-roots

Whiteness is given by the society based on what people presume you to be. And that presumption has nothing to do with genotype — since observers cannot know your DNA just by looking at you — but rather, everything to do with phenotype, which is to say the way certain genes are expressed outwardly, as with skin pigmentation, and a handful of other characteristics, which are controlled by about six genes out of 30,000 in the overall human genome.

[dolaBeetCeage]

Whiteness is given by the society based on what people presume you to be. And that presumption has nothing to do with genotype — since observers cannot know your DNA just by looking at you — but rather, everything to do with phenotype, which is to say the way certain genes are expressed outwardly, as with skin pigmentation, and a handful of other characteristics, which are controlled by about six genes out of 30,000 in the overall human genome.

If Yanks used to question the "Whiteness" of South Italians Georgians would hrdly be percieved "White" on an ethnic group level. North Caucasians (some) stand a better chance but still look too exotic compared to an average White Merican. So I think that the term is invalid in this case. I agree with what you said about phenotypes. People do tend to discriminate based solely on looks.

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Actually there are so few proper Caucasians in the New World as to not even give rise to such questions.

Immigration patterns might change though I see your point here (and besides Caucasus natives are quite small in numbers).

[engideNedmupe]

Where we do have them, ex. Armenians in Los Angeles, you can look up the history of where discrimination has happened in the past. What may happen in the future, it's hard to say. I can say, from some pictures I have seen of North Caucasians, some would be seen as Middle Eastern, others as white, others are ambiguous... would raise questions like "why does ole' boy have a Jew nose?". This is assuming you plucked individuals from there and dropped them into society here. If they come in an immigration wave and form an enclave, they are going to be identified by ethnicity / religion / nationality. If they are Christians, they're more likely to be perceived as white, Muslims as Middle Eastern.

[UKkoXJvF]

Where we do have them, ex. Armenians in Los Angeles, you can look up the history of where discrimination has happened in the past. What may happen in the future, it's hard to say. I can say, from some pictures I have seen of North Caucasians, some would be seen as Middle Eastern, others as white, others are ambiguous... would raise questions like "why does ole' boy have a Jew nose?". This is assuming you plucked individuals from there and dropped them into society here. If they come in an immigration wave and form an enclave, they are going to be identified by ethnicity / religion / nationality. If they are Christians, they're more likely to be perceived as white, Muslims as Middle Eastern.

I think it depends on the individual. For instance, George Burdi(ex-lead singer of Canadian white power band RaHoWa) is half-Armenian and most White Nationalists considered him to be white.

[lookanddiscover]

Yes, I agree. That's what I was saying above. Ethnic groups from that part of the world don't fit neatly into the New World racial paradigm. It is driven mainly by appearance, and that varies too much by individual within those groups.