[luspikals]

Look at the image I posted earlier in the thread.

The left hand side is definitely the atlantic, and the right hand side is definitely the Med. People who are definitely White and people who are definitely Black exist.

That doesn't answer my question about using selected traits.

[Cgnebksb]

No it isn't, I see Elias saying stupid shit like "Negroes" never invented anything, well those called Negroes have different ethnicities so while maybe one group of Negroes have never did a certain thing another group of Negroes has.

Are you telling me that the African American community will embrace me with open arms as one of them, despite not have any SSA ancestry at all?

I have never been to a place on this planet where ethnicity isn't closely related to an idea of race.

[Aw1HhC0m]

Look at the image I posted earlier in the thread.

The left hand side is definitely the atlantic, and the right hand side is definitely the Med. People who are definitely White and people who are definitely Black exist.

Please classify these people because they pretty much live in the same country, but on different islands within the same nation state.

http://www.thecommonwealth.org/Share...eName=FileName


http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images...g2790.jpg/sr=1

http://www.flickr.com/photos/klipsph...hy/2859425108/

Are they the same race from your own standpoint or different races? inquiring minds like to know

[miel]

Are you telling me that the African American community will embrace me with open arms as one of them, despite not have any SSA ancestry at all?

I have never been to a place on this planet where ethnicity isn't closely related to an idea of race.

That's social, there are white people embraced by Aframs that never had an ounce of SSA ancestry, I can't remember her name but this white female singer is called an honorary sister by black people, she just died not long ago, pity I can't remember her name.

[derty]

Please classify these people because they pretty much live in the same country, but on different islands within the same nation state.

http://www.thecommonwealth.org/Share...eName=FileName


http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images...g2790.jpg/sr=1

http://www.flickr.com/photos/klipsph...hy/2859425108/

Are they the same race from your own standpoint or different races? inquiring minds like to know

They look similar but also different.
I will summarise what I said before in this thread.
Race exists, and some people are clearly members of one race or another, but it is almost impossible to say where one race ends and another begins.

[MpNelQTU]

They look similar but also different.
I will summarise what I said before in this thread.
Race exists, and some people are clearly members of one race or another, but it is almost impossible to say where one race ends and another begins.

Contradiction.

[Fellionas]

That's social, there are white people embraced by Aframs that never had an ounce of SSA ancestry, I can't remember her name but this white female singer is called an honorary sister by black people, she just died not long ago, pity I can't remember her name.

Sounds like Dusty Springfield.

[DenisMoor]

Sounds like Dusty Springfield.

I got it, Teena Marie.

[Mr_White]

Contradiction.

In that case the Mediterranean doesn't exist. As we can't define at which exact point the Atlantic ends.
Nice logic.

[55Beaphable]

That's social, there are white people embraced by Aframs that never had an ounce of SSA ancestry, I can't remember her name but this white female singer is called an honorary sister by black people, she just died not long ago, pity I can't remember her name.

Social is one part of it, sure - just like it is for any ethnicity. That's the cultural aspect of ethnicities.

But race is still important. Wouldn't you think it's a bit odd if I went around calling myself an african american when I have absolutely no connection to Africa whatsoever? Eminem is embracing african american culture and mannerisms 100%. But he never goes around calling black people 'niggas' which he obviously could have if he himself was black.

[truck]

saying "races don't exist" because there are ppl who can't be id-d 100%, is like saying "white and black colors don't exist" because there are transitional colors between them on the palette.
just because there's a poor sob amstaf and poodle mix puppy somewhere doesn't mean there are no poodles and amstafs. etc etc.

[TriamiCaw]

saying "races don't exist" because there are ppl who can't be id-d 100%, is like saying "white and black colors don't exist" because there are transitional colors between them on the palette.
just because there's a poor sob amstaf and poodle mix puppy somewhere doesn't mean there are no poodles and amstafs. etc etc.

No the difference between discrete and non discrete?

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Social is one part of it, sure - just like it is for any ethnicity. That's the cultural aspect of ethnicities.

But race is still important. Wouldn't you think it's a bit odd if I went around calling myself an african american when I have absolutely no connection to Africa whatsoever? Eminem is embracing african american culture and mannerisms 100%. But he never goes around calling black people 'niggas' which he obviously could have if he himself was black.

African is not a race.

[CenICrerflind]

How can you say that races don't exist in this thread and then complain about whitey keeping down the black man (despite Obama being President) in another thread?

If races don't exist, then neither does racism.

[leadmoffer]

Race is a key part of an ethnicity though, wouldn't you agree?

Or do you consider any person of any race born in Italy to be italian?

I consider any person of fully italian ancestry as Italian, no matter the colour. I also consider as Italian any European with an Italian ancestor.

[engacenus]

'American' could supposedly be considered an ethnicity. The way they've handled the race-aspect of it is by adding prefixes such as afro-american, asian-american etc.

The one prefix that they never use however is euro-american - Because it is simply assumed that the person belonging to this ethnicity is by default white. If not - then a clarification must be made.

In other words, even in the perhaps most racially diverse country in the world, the idea of ethnicity and race are still closely connected. It may change eventually, but we'll see.

[Donadoni1809]

No the difference between discrete and non discrete?

do you?
same with the mediterranean vs. the atlantic example earlier in the thread - just because you can' pinpoint exactly where one ends and another one begins that doesn't mean those are not separately identified entities.

[AllAdobeOEMSoftDownload]

do you?
same with the mediterranean vs. the atlantic example earlier in the thread - just because you can' pinpoint exactly where one ends and another one begins that doesn't mean those are not separately identified entities.

I like how he says there is no such thing as race but then calls himself black multiple times on his profile....

[ResistNewWorldOrder]

I consider any person of fully italian ancestry as Italian, no matter the colour. I also consider as Italian any European with an Italian ancestor.

But that's the thing. You can't be any color and have 'fully italian ancestry'. Someone who looks 100% chinese would never fit that. So by default you've already limited it to someone of a clearly european phenotype.

Then you must agree with me that race is considered a key part of ethnicity.

[Intory]

1. Do you believe different races of man exist?

Yes, in biological sense humans can be divided into different races (separate geographical and genetic clusters). Geneticists of today have had their fair share of today's ideological trends of some humanist studies and make unscientific and incoherent deductions when it comes to human genetics. IMO, that's also partly because they don't want to get mixed up with eugenics from the 30's.

3. Are some races "better" than others (eg. at sports) or are all races "equal"? Sure. Africans are far better runners than Europeans or Asians. The reason has been under scientific research, and the main reason was found to be that they have a lighter joint structure and their calves have much less mass which is critical for running efficiency. Muscular West Africans who have broad shoulders are made for speed whereas more slender East Africans for endurance.
Bonus Questions:

In your experience, which particular groups of persons/people are most prone to deny that Race exists ~ and why do you believe they do this? Especially those that are involved with sociology and women studies (postmodern science criticism). They are often overall biology-denialists when it comes to humans. Also, they don't approve of scientific facts when they don't back up their dogmatic beliefs.

[RG3rGWcA]

Another thread wasted.