[espabamar]

Race Denial is frequent on ABF. People opine that: "Race does not exist!" or "We are all human, all equal!" This is a very dangerous belief; this belief is also unscientific and anti-intellectual.

I question you this: how can Race Denial persist on a "Race Forum"?

It would be like posters posting on a football forum: "The game of football does not exist!"




You should consider these questions before responding:

1. Do you believe different races of man exist?

2. If yes then how many different races of man exist?

3. Are some races "better" than others (eg. at sports) or are all races "equal"?

4. Can a group of policemen put out a fire better than a group of firemen?

5. Can a group of firemen stop a crime better than a group of policemen?

6. Are policemen "better" than firemen, or firemen "better" than policemen?

7. Are policemen "equal" to firemen, or firemen "equal" to policemen?

8. Are policemen and firemen different races of men, if no then why not?


Policemen and firemen are separated by specialization of occupation. But there are behavioral differences between these groups of men. A person afraid of fire makes a poor fireman. The same, a person afraid of guns makes a poor policeman. There is a behavioral difference between policemen and firemen. Is this not the same for races of man? Do different races of men act and behave in different ways from each-other? Or do you believe 'race' (if you believe race exists) only is superficial and has nothing to do with behavior?




Bonus Questions:

In your experience, which particular groups of persons/people are most prone to deny that Race exists ~ and why do you believe they do this?

Is denying 'race' on a "race forum" trolling ~ should it become a bannable offense? Or is it just a "matter of personal opinion", protected by free speech, that race exists or not? If race is a matter of "personal opinion" then is Science, or a scientific approach to Anthropology, also a matter of personal opinion?

Ultimately is Race a matter of fact or opinion?

[sasaderesada]

Race exists but is difficult to define.


Where does the Mediterranean end and the Atlantic begin?

[RichardFG435]

Where does the Mediterranean end and the Atlantic begin?

[bZEUWO4F]

Exactly. You can't specify that a specific drop of water is definitely the Atlantic while an adjacent one is not, even though you can say that a drop of water further away definitely is Atlantic.

[realnilkless]

Unome, to look at a super-scandinavian girl and say "this is a white person" - that's the easy part. The hard part is to draw lines.

- When does someone become too dark or too non-european to be considered white? Are all europeans white?

- How do we handle race-mixes? Someone who's 1/4 or 1/8 of another race is non-white?

[Necedofer]

Exactly. You can't specify that a specific drop of water is definitely the Atlantic while an adjacent one is not, even though you can say that a drop of water further away definitely is Atlantic.

So you believe race does not exist? Alright, you should vote in the poll.

[gerturiotf]

So you believe race does not exist? Alright, you should vote in the poll.

I believe it does exist.
Some people are definitely white. Some people definitely aren't.

[EbrsaRynleot]

Good questions, 2kayglobal, I will think about those…

Are all europeans white?

No, in fact, the term "white" specifically refers to an early aspect of British colonization of the United States. It referred to wealthy (ie. rich) white-skinned, Anglo-Saxon Protestants. If you use this term today then many people, including Irish and Italians, even Germans, are not "white". This term is in fact politickal, yes.

But in terms of Race, would people disagree about general difference between Europeans, Afrikans, or East Asians… or other various peoples around the world?

[giDdfezP]

Good questions, 2kayglobal, I will think about those…

But in terms of Race, would people disagree about general difference between Europeans, Afrikans, or East Asians… or other various peoples around the world?

Well those generic terms e.g. "Africans" are even worse. I use them quite often myself, but still. You can see the difference between an arab, a chinese, and a person from India can't you? They all live in Asia and are "asians". Africa has at least 2-3 different types of blacks, and north of sahara they are of middle-eastern decent. Not all Africans are the same. As for Europe, I can see a clear difference between North, South, and East europeans.

If we want to be serious about race then the best thing to do is probably to refer directly to the ethnic group.

[FinanseMikky]

I don't really know, what I do believe is that there are more "races" than just Caucasoid, Negroid, Mongoloid etc...

[gvataler]

If it exists then how many?
And which one is this?

http://www.thecommonwealth.org/Share...eName=FileName

[bingookenoo]

Well those generic terms e.g. "Africans" are even worse. I use them quite often myself, but still. You can see the difference between an arab, a chinese, and a person from India can't you? They all live in Asia and are "asians". Africa has at least 2-3 different types of blacks, and north of sahara they are of middle-eastern decent. Not all Africans are the same. As for Europe, I can see a clear difference between North, South, and East europeans.

If we want to be serious about race then the best thing to do is probably to refer directly to the ethnic group.

Perfect answer and very good reply. Ethnicity is what counts the most, and not one physical makeup.

[HQTheodore]

Race Denial is frequent on ABF. People opine that: "Race does not exist!" or "We are all human, all equal!" This is a very dangerous belief; this belief is also unscientific and anti-intellectual.

I question you this: how can Race Denial persist on a "Race Forum"?

Anthropology forum.

It would be like posters posting on a football forum: "The game of football does not exist!"

More like on a football forum saying: there isn't feet or balls. Obiviously diversity excists in both higher or lower levels, it would be silly to disagree with that.

You should consider these questions before responding:

1. Do you believe different races of man exist?

Yes in some manner.

2. If yes then how many different races of man exist?

Rather relative. More than two, less than a hundred.

3. Are some races "better" than others (eg. at sports) or are all races "equal"?

Some might be better at some tasks, all are not equal in those tasks but has equal human worth.

4. Can a group of policemen put out a fire better than a group of firemen?

Probably not.

5. Can a group of firemen stop a crime better than a group of policemen?

Probably not.

6. Are policemen "better" than firemen, or firemen "better" than policemen?

Probably not.

7. Are policemen "equal" to firemen, or firemen "equal" to policemen?

Probably not.

8. Are policemen and firemen different races of men, if no then why not?

They can be. Depends doesn't it?

Policemen and firemen are separated by specialization of occupation. But there are behavioral differences between these groups of men. A person afraid of fire makes a poor fireman. The same, a person afraid of guns makes a poor policeman. There is a behavioral difference between policemen and firemen. Is this not the same for races of man? Do different races of men act and behave in different ways from each-other? Or do you believe 'race' (if you believe race exists) only is superficial and has nothing to do with behavior?

Not all facts are in to answer this question honestly, I think a lot has to do with ones genes correlate upon how you act.

Bonus Questions:

I'll save the bonus quiz for later.

[MichaelfromSpace]

If it exists then how many?
And which one is this?

http://www.thecommonwealth.org/Share...eName=FileName

Exactly and which race does these kids belong to as well, since they belong to the same group you posted according to some scientist. Maybe the poster can inform us otherwise.

http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images...g2790.jpg/sr=1

http://www.flickr.com/photos/klipsph...hy/2859425108/

To the poster, race is a little more complicated than you believe, in other words, it not alway neatly passage, and there are other variables to consider as well.

[Jambjanatan]

Race doesn't exist, no one can say where Negroid starts and where Australoid ends when you compare the two despite some differences because they share similarity, you can even find similarities between Negroids and some Mediterraneans, Negroids and East Asians, east African Negroids and MIddle East-North Africans and similarities the latter two with West and central Africans. People who want to believe in race give more importance to differences than similarities but with no good reasons. Race can only exist with 100% dissimilarities and when they do occur they are so rare that they statistically insignificant.

[fruttomma]

Races do exist. The problems begin when people try to correlate races to ethnicities: all Spaniards are white, all Turks are not white,...

[fkisjjdhh]

Races do exist. The problems begin when people try to correlate races to ethnicities: all Spaniards are white, all Turks are not white,...

If you can't delineate where one starts and ends how can you say it exists? If I measure skulls and use more traits that discriminate and exclude those that overlap more am I proving race exist? Would that be an honest and accurate picture?

[Sakkola]

Races do exist. The problems begin when people try to correlate races to ethnicities: all Spaniards are white, all Turks are not white,...

Race is a key part of an ethnicity though, wouldn't you agree?

Or do you consider any person of any race born in Italy to be italian?

[JessiPollo]

Race is a key part of an ethnicity though, wouldn't you agree?

Or do you consider any person of any race born in Italy to be italian?

No it isn't, I see Elias saying stupid shit like "Negroes" never invented anything, well those called Negroes have different ethnicities so while maybe one group of Negroes have never did a certain thing another group of Negroes has.

[N9NACzws]

If you can't delineate where one starts and ends how can you say it exists? If I measure skulls and use more traits that discriminate and exclude those that overlap more am I proving race exist? Would that be an honest and accurate picture?

Look at the image I posted earlier in the thread.

The left hand side is definitely the atlantic, and the right hand side is definitely the Med. People who are definitely White and people who are definitely Black exist.