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**capeAngedlelp** · 12-20-2010, 09:30 PM

Why? Vick makes up for the flaws in Andy Reid's gameplan. Bill Belichick makes up for the flaws in Tom Brady's ability.

im not sure, but iirc, belicheck isnt even paying attention when the offense is on the field. he is playing with his D. and the way you word this, you make it sound like vick doesnt have any flaws which is obviously incorrect. unrelated question to the mvp races but would you rather have vick than brady?

**IoninnyHaro** · 12-20-2010, 09:30 PM

Wrong.

Right.

**gechaheritt** · 12-20-2010, 09:31 PM

How could anyone vote Rodgers after Flynn last night?

System quarterback TBH.

*waits for cheesehead noggins to explode*

**sessoorale** · 12-20-2010, 09:41 PM

brady has beaten the top 6 defenses and miami who is T-7. impressive imo.

I just don't know about some of those defenses.

Brady looked decent against the Jets but the Jets also let up Chad Henne throw for 363 yards and 2 TDs on them. Stafford put up 240 and 2 TDs on that defense, too. I'm not saying the Jets have a bad defense but I'm not sure how much we should read into Brady doing well against them.

The Dolphins are a good defense but Brady didn't really do anything against them. He had like 150 yards passing.

The Chargers have a good defense but Brady put up another 150 yard performance there.

I'll give you the Steelers (even though they went through a little defensive slump there in the middle of the season.)

And the Bears let up 300 yards to Ryan Fitzpatrick. What was more impressive about Brady's performance against the Bears, I guess, was the weather conditions there. You don't typically see the ball getting aired out like that in icy conditions.

Are those defenses good? Yeah. But I don't know how much I'd read into Brady playing well against them when it comes to MVP voting.

**suingincentix** · 12-20-2010, 09:43 PM

im not sure, but iirc, belicheck isnt even paying attention when the offense is on the field. he is playing with his D. and the way you word this, you make it sound like vick doesnt have any flaws which is obviously incorrect. unrelated question to the mvp races but would you rather have vick than brady?

On the Eagles? Vick.

**QbCp7LaZ** · 12-20-2010, 09:45 PM

I just don't know about some of those defenses.

Brady looked decent against the Jets but the Jets also let up Chad Henne throw for 363 yards and 2 TDs on them. Stafford put up 240 and 2 TDs on that defense, too. I'm not saying the Jets have a bad defense but I'm not sure how much we should read into Brady doing well against them.

The Dolphins are a good defense but Brady didn't really do anything against them. He had like 150 yards passing.

The Chargers have a good defense but Brady put up another 150 yard performance there.

I'll give you the Steelers (even though they went through a little defensive slump there in the middle of the season.)

And the Bears let up 300 yards to Ryan Fitzpatrick. What was more impressive about Brady's performance against the Bears, I guess, was the weather conditions there. You don't typically see the ball getting aired out like that in icy conditions.

Are those defenses good? Yeah. But I don't know how much I'd read into Brady playing well against them when it comes to MVP voting.

Well if the teams the Eagles opponents had faster defenses, they would have been able to stop Vick.

Or some other excuse.

**halyshitzob** · 12-20-2010, 09:45 PM

im not sure, but iirc, belicheck isnt even paying attention when the offense is on the field. he is playing with his D. and the way you word this, you make it sound like vick doesnt have any flaws which is obviously incorrect. unrelated question to the mvp races but would you rather have vick than brady?

Of course Vick has flaws but he can take a totally broken play and turn it into a gain -- and sometimes a really big gain. A lot of QBs can do that here and there. Vick does it consistently.

**blodwarttufla** · 12-20-2010, 09:53 PM

Well if the teams the Eagles opponents had faster defenses, they would have been able to stop Vick.

Or some other excuse.

You can only play the defenses you're faced with. Vick has beaten every NFC East opponent where he played the entire game. The Giants have a pretty good defense. Vick totally dominated them in 7 and a half minutes yesterday.

**Peter Hill** · 12-21-2010, 01:23 AM

I just don't know about some of those defenses.

Brady looked decent against the Jets but the Jets also let up Chad Henne throw for 363 yards and 2 TDs on them. Stafford put up 240 and 2 TDs on that defense, too. I'm not saying the Jets have a bad defense but I'm not sure how much we should read into Brady doing well against them.

The Dolphins are a good defense but Brady didn't really do anything against them. He had like 150 yards passing.

The Chargers have a good defense but Brady put up another 150 yard performance there.

I'll give you the Steelers (even though they went through a little defensive slump there in the middle of the season.)

And the Bears let up 300 yards to Ryan Fitzpatrick. What was more impressive about Brady's performance against the Bears, I guess, was the weather conditions there. You don't typically see the ball getting aired out like that in icy conditions.

Are those defenses good? Yeah. But I don't know how much I'd read into Brady playing well against them when it comes to MVP voting.

top defenses are gonna be able to hold you in check somewhat. finding a way to win, and not losing the games is impressive to me. especially when having to play on the road in lots of those games.

**CamVideoQl** · 12-21-2010, 01:24 AM

On the Eagles? Vick.

lol. that's what i was expecting. amazing stuff. but i respect your honesty and loyalty to your guy.

**GrottereewNus** · 12-21-2010, 01:29 AM

Of course Vick has flaws but he can take a totally broken play and turn it into a gain -- and sometimes a really big gain. A lot of QBs can do that here and there. Vick does it consistently.

totally broken plays dont worry me. they dont happen enough to make a huge difference and the best qb's just flick it into the seats and come back the next play.

does brady come back against the giants like vick just did? prolly not, but the stars aligned more than just vick having a great 8 minutes. definitely fun to see. and i doubt brady puts them in that position down so much against that giants team.

**Mymnnarry** · 12-21-2010, 01:35 AM

Sooooo, Vick is more valuable because Andy Reid is a shitty coach?

I see.

Brady makes the system just as much as the system makes Brady. That argument is silly.

Matt Cassell went 11-5 in that system in his first year starting.

**Info-phone** · 12-22-2010, 02:01 AM

Should be an interesting vote to say the least. I am on the fence over which one I'd vote for.

**MadMark** · 12-29-2010, 08:40 AM

Anyone want to change their vote?

**AlexDatig** · 12-29-2010, 08:43 AM

Brady I think wins it hands down this year

**Quvwcxqx** · 12-29-2010, 07:40 PM

Anyone want to change their vote?

nope, i had the winner pegged before vick sucked last night.

**Zjohkrbi** · 12-29-2010, 07:43 PM

Joe Webb.

**Loxaeed** · 12-29-2010, 07:47 PM

nope, i had the winner pegged before vick sucked last night.

How did it change? Tell me that. Who am I speaking to? How did it change?

**womberte** · 12-29-2010, 07:49 PM

How did it change? Tell me that. Who am I speaking to? How did it change?

it never did to me. prolly changed for the eagles fans out there that can put their homer opinions aside. but id imagine that most of the country had the right guy before last night. that game was just the final nail.

**Dfvgthyju** · 12-29-2010, 07:51 PM

it never did to me. prolly changed for the eagles fans out there that can put their homer opinions aside. but id imagine that most of the country had the right guy before last night. that game was just the final nail.

Sorry...

You were just fodder for perhaps my favorite coach press conference of the season....

http://www.jsonline.com/blogs/sports/112614714.html

12-20-2010, 09:30 PM	#61
capeAngedlelp Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 538 Senior Member	Why? Vick makes up for the flaws in Andy Reid's gameplan. Bill Belichick makes up for the flaws in Tom Brady's ability. im not sure, but iirc, belicheck isnt even paying attention when the offense is on the field. he is playing with his D. and the way you word this, you make it sound like vick doesnt have any flaws which is obviously incorrect. unrelated question to the mvp races but would you rather have vick than brady? Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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12-20-2010, 09:30 PM	#62
IoninnyHaro Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 377 Senior Member	Wrong. Right. Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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12-20-2010, 09:31 PM	#63
gechaheritt Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 450 Senior Member	How could anyone vote Rodgers after Flynn last night? System quarterback TBH. waits for cheesehead noggins to explode Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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12-20-2010, 09:41 PM	#64
sessoorale Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 463 Senior Member	brady has beaten the top 6 defenses and miami who is T-7. impressive imo. I just don't know about some of those defenses. Brady looked decent against the Jets but the Jets also let up Chad Henne throw for 363 yards and 2 TDs on them. Stafford put up 240 and 2 TDs on that defense, too. I'm not saying the Jets have a bad defense but I'm not sure how much we should read into Brady doing well against them. The Dolphins are a good defense but Brady didn't really do anything against them. He had like 150 yards passing. The Chargers have a good defense but Brady put up another 150 yard performance there. I'll give you the Steelers (even though they went through a little defensive slump there in the middle of the season.) And the Bears let up 300 yards to Ryan Fitzpatrick. What was more impressive about Brady's performance against the Bears, I guess, was the weather conditions there. You don't typically see the ball getting aired out like that in icy conditions. Are those defenses good? Yeah. But I don't know how much I'd read into Brady playing well against them when it comes to MVP voting. Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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12-20-2010, 09:43 PM	#65
suingincentix Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 461 Senior Member	im not sure, but iirc, belicheck isnt even paying attention when the offense is on the field. he is playing with his D. and the way you word this, you make it sound like vick doesnt have any flaws which is obviously incorrect. unrelated question to the mvp races but would you rather have vick than brady? On the Eagles? Vick. Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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12-20-2010, 09:45 PM	#66
QbCp7LaZ Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 490 Senior Member	I just don't know about some of those defenses. Brady looked decent against the Jets but the Jets also let up Chad Henne throw for 363 yards and 2 TDs on them. Stafford put up 240 and 2 TDs on that defense, too. I'm not saying the Jets have a bad defense but I'm not sure how much we should read into Brady doing well against them. The Dolphins are a good defense but Brady didn't really do anything against them. He had like 150 yards passing. The Chargers have a good defense but Brady put up another 150 yard performance there. I'll give you the Steelers (even though they went through a little defensive slump there in the middle of the season.) And the Bears let up 300 yards to Ryan Fitzpatrick. What was more impressive about Brady's performance against the Bears, I guess, was the weather conditions there. You don't typically see the ball getting aired out like that in icy conditions. Are those defenses good? Yeah. But I don't know how much I'd read into Brady playing well against them when it comes to MVP voting. Well if the teams the Eagles opponents had faster defenses, they would have been able to stop Vick. Or some other excuse. Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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12-20-2010, 09:45 PM	#67
halyshitzob Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 340 Senior Member	im not sure, but iirc, belicheck isnt even paying attention when the offense is on the field. he is playing with his D. and the way you word this, you make it sound like vick doesnt have any flaws which is obviously incorrect. unrelated question to the mvp races but would you rather have vick than brady? Of course Vick has flaws but he can take a totally broken play and turn it into a gain -- and sometimes a really big gain. A lot of QBs can do that here and there. Vick does it consistently. Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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blodwarttufla Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 430 Senior Member	Well if the teams the Eagles opponents had faster defenses, they would have been able to stop Vick. Or some other excuse. You can only play the defenses you're faced with. Vick has beaten every NFC East opponent where he played the entire game. The Giants have a pretty good defense. Vick totally dominated them in 7 and a half minutes yesterday. Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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12-21-2010, 01:23 AM	#69
Peter Hill Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 558 Senior Member	I just don't know about some of those defenses. Brady looked decent against the Jets but the Jets also let up Chad Henne throw for 363 yards and 2 TDs on them. Stafford put up 240 and 2 TDs on that defense, too. I'm not saying the Jets have a bad defense but I'm not sure how much we should read into Brady doing well against them. The Dolphins are a good defense but Brady didn't really do anything against them. He had like 150 yards passing. The Chargers have a good defense but Brady put up another 150 yard performance there. I'll give you the Steelers (even though they went through a little defensive slump there in the middle of the season.) And the Bears let up 300 yards to Ryan Fitzpatrick. What was more impressive about Brady's performance against the Bears, I guess, was the weather conditions there. You don't typically see the ball getting aired out like that in icy conditions. Are those defenses good? Yeah. But I don't know how much I'd read into Brady playing well against them when it comes to MVP voting. top defenses are gonna be able to hold you in check somewhat. finding a way to win, and not losing the games is impressive to me. especially when having to play on the road in lots of those games. Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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12-21-2010, 01:24 AM	#70
CamVideoQl Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 459 Senior Member	On the Eagles? Vick. lol. that's what i was expecting. amazing stuff. but i respect your honesty and loyalty to your guy. Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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12-21-2010, 01:29 AM	#71
GrottereewNus Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 397 Senior Member	Of course Vick has flaws but he can take a totally broken play and turn it into a gain -- and sometimes a really big gain. A lot of QBs can do that here and there. Vick does it consistently. totally broken plays dont worry me. they dont happen enough to make a huge difference and the best qb's just flick it into the seats and come back the next play. does brady come back against the giants like vick just did? prolly not, but the stars aligned more than just vick having a great 8 minutes. definitely fun to see. and i doubt brady puts them in that position down so much against that giants team. Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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12-21-2010, 01:35 AM	#72
Mymnnarry Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 641 Senior Member	Sooooo, Vick is more valuable because Andy Reid is a shitty coach? I see. Brady makes the system just as much as the system makes Brady. That argument is silly. Matt Cassell went 11-5 in that system in his first year starting. Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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12-22-2010, 02:01 AM	#73
Info-phone Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 465 Senior Member	Should be an interesting vote to say the least. I am on the fence over which one I'd vote for. Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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12-29-2010, 08:40 AM	#74
MadMark Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 491 Senior Member	Anyone want to change their vote? Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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12-29-2010, 08:43 AM	#75
AlexDatig Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 400 Senior Member	Brady I think wins it hands down this year Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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12-29-2010, 07:40 PM	#76
Quvwcxqx Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 402 Senior Member	Anyone want to change their vote? nope, i had the winner pegged before vick sucked last night. Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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12-29-2010, 07:43 PM	#77
Zjohkrbi Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 437 Senior Member	Joe Webb. Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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12-29-2010, 07:47 PM	#78
Loxaeed Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 481 Senior Member	nope, i had the winner pegged before vick sucked last night. How did it change? Tell me that. Who am I speaking to? How did it change? Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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12-29-2010, 07:49 PM	#79
womberte Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 408 Senior Member	How did it change? Tell me that. Who am I speaking to? How did it change? it never did to me. prolly changed for the eagles fans out there that can put their homer opinions aside. but id imagine that most of the country had the right guy before last night. that game was just the final nail. Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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12-29-2010, 07:51 PM	#80
Dfvgthyju Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 548 Senior Member	it never did to me. prolly changed for the eagles fans out there that can put their homer opinions aside. but id imagine that most of the country had the right guy before last night. that game was just the final nail. Sorry... You were just fodder for perhaps my favorite coach press conference of the season.... http://www.jsonline.com/blogs/sports/112614714.html Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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