[crestorinfo]

But you can't discount the success either. Joe Montana playing 4 Super Bowls, throwing 11 TDs, 0 picks, and winning all 4 of them shouldn't be ignored.

Exactly. People act like Montana was chopped liver or something.

He EXCELLED in the big games.

He ALSO threw for over 40K yards in the REGULAR SEASON.

[TodeImmabbedo]

It was 22-17 until Rex Grossman threw a Pick 6. Manning didn't dominate that team.

Manning didn't dominate that game with his passing but with his willingness to use the running game and ability to pick up key 3rd down conversions. I will say he was basically a game manager instead of being an impact player for most of the game.

The running game accounted for 191 yards in that game, and they got a defensive TD as well.

Manning had 1 TD and 1 INT. His impact in that SB really was minimal compared to the rushing attack, and defense.

He didn't lose it, but he didn't do anything special either.

The rushing attack and not kicking to Hester is what won them the game. Nobody expect the Bears offense to do much in that game and the defense held serve while their offense completely controlled the game.

[portoskins]

But you can't discount the success either. Joe Montana playing 4 Super Bowls, throwing 11 TDs, 0 picks, and winning all 4 of them shouldn't be ignored.

I never said you should discount the success. The problem is when people put players like Phil Simms in the area code of how good Marino was simply because one guy has a superbowl win and the other does not.

[sat23neus2]

I'm not going to disagree that at this point, Montana may be rated higher than Manning.

My biggest beef is that the amount of weight put on Super Bowl Rings is disproportianate to the quarterbacks entire body of work.

Not to me it isn't.

I consider Marino and Favre two of the great QBs, but I refuse to ignore what they've done in the playoffs as well.

To me, that's going to put them a notch below guys like Elway (5 SB appearances) and Montana, along with other guys I'm too young to remember like Graham, Unitas, and Starr.

I just think if you put everyone's stats next to each other, you need something to decipher between one or the other.

I will always compare playoff stats over what a guy did in the regular season against many inferior opponents.

[BloofPailafum]

Manning didn't dominate that game with his passing but with his willingness to use the running game and ability to pick up key 3rd down conversions. I will say he was basically a game manager instead of being an impact player for most of the game.



The rushing attack and not kicking to Hester is what won them the game. Nobody expect the Bears offense to do much in that game and the defense held serve while their offense completely controlled the game.

colts turned it over 3-4 times though.

[WomanBreast40356]

My list:
1) Joe Montana
2) Peyton Manning
3) Dan Marino
4) Tom Brady
5a) Brett Favre
5b) Elway

[swwatch]

My list:
1) Joe Montana
2) Peyton Manning
3) Dan Marino
4) Tom Brady
5a) Brett Favre
5b) Elway

To be fair, I'm only going to rank the QBs I've seen with my own eyes.

That will leave out many of the alltime greats b/c I don't think I should be ranking guys I've never seen.

1. Montana
2. Elway
3. Manning
4. Marino
5. Brady
6. Favre

Manning could easily be #1 by the time his career is over.

[Amoniustauns]

as much as i hate favre anybody that doesn't have him in their top five is full of shit

Bull.... top 10 for many due to the longevity and all the stats. Thats it. 8-10 in my mind. Long career, stayed strong even through this year.

But, when history remembers things he will be dinged for also having the career record for interceptions and for throwing those dumb ass interceptions time and again. Three times since 2003 (four if you count the INT last year against the Dolphins in the last game that shut the Jets down) he has thrown away his teams season. Two times were in the NFCCG. I think it is fair to say at least one of those three could have been a third SB appearance and than.... who knows.

He has had chance and again to overcome that gunslinger reputation and be a QB who can stand with the top 5 and he has failed every time for years now.

[dosugxxx]

colts turned it over 3-4 times though.

It was a sloppy game as you would expect given the rain and number of turnovers the Bears defense forced that year. The Colts offense dominated that game by holding the ball for over 38 minutes. Alot of that time of possesion was due to their ability to get 5+ on seemingly every carry but some of it was the passing games ability to complete short passes when needed.

[seawolferr]

Bull.... top 10 for many due to the longevity and all the stats. Thats it. 8-10 in my mind. Long career, stayed strong even through this year.

But, when history remembers things he will be dinged for also having the career record for interceptions and for throwing those dumb ass interceptions time and again. Three times since 2003 (four if you count the INT last year against the Dolphins in the last game that shut the Jets down) he has thrown away his teams season. Two times were in the NFCCG. I think it is fair to say at least one of those three could have been a third SB appearance and than.... who knows.

He has had chance and again to overcome that gunslinger reputation and be a QB who can stand with the top 5 and he has failed every time for years now.

Exactly right. Favre isn't even top 5 amongst the QBs I've seen play, let alone when you add the old timers. He's top 10, but not top 5. He comes up WAY short in the playoffs.

[Rurcextedutty]

Not to me it isn't.

I consider Marino and Favre two of the great QBs, but I refuse to ignore what they've done in the playoffs as well.

To me, that's going to put them a notch below guys like Elway (5 SB appearances) and Montana, along with other guys I'm too young to remember like Graham, Unitas, and Starr.

I just think if you put everyone's stats next to each other, you need something to decipher between one or the other.

I will always compare playoff stats over what a guy did in the regular season against many inferior opponents.

John Elway was 2-3 in the Super Bowl. He didn't do dick in the one that they beat the Packers. He was 12 of 22 for 112 yards, no TD's, and one interception. T Davis. ran for 150+ yards and the defense held down Favre and the Packers offense.

That right there is why counting super bowl success as such a huge chunk of the picture is flawed.

[Karensmith]

John Elway was 2-3 in the Super Bowl. He didn't do dick in the one that they beat the Packers. He was 12 of 22 for 112 yards, no TD's, and one interception. T Davis. ran for 150+ yards and the defense held down Favre and the Packers offense.

That right there is why counting super bowl success as such a huge chunk of the picture is flawed.

He also singlehandedly got them to 3 SBs by himself with crappy teams.

I don't discount he didn't win until TD was there, but getting to 5 is impressive to me.

[myspacepro]

He also singlehandedly got them to 3 SBs by himself with crappy teams.

I don't discount he didn't win until TD was there, but getting to 5 is impressive to me.

Their first three super bowls, the Bronco's D was top 10 in the league (as high as 3rd rated defense in '91) every time they went.

[XVzrlWIv]

He also singlehandedly got them to 3 SBs by himself with crappy teams.

I don't discount he didn't win until TD was there, but getting to 5 is impressive to me.

Kelly got to 4 in a row. Elway's 5 over 2 decades in the league is only more impressive because his team actually won a couple.

[TeksPaisimi]

Their first three super bowls, the Bronco's D was top 10 in the league (as high as 3rd rated defense in '91) every time they went.

I remember those teams as being dreadful. I stand corrected.

[M_Marked]

I remember those teams as being dreadful. I stand corrected.

Orange Crush?

[uchetrip]

Kelly got to 4 in a row. Elway's 5 over 2 decades in the league is only more impressive because his team actually won a couple.

Kelly had a LOT more help than Elway, and couldn't win in 4 straight tries.

I see that as a major strike on his over talent, which is underrated by many.

[Sillaycheg]

Orange Crush?

I just remember he didn't have shit on offense.

[Promotiona]

I just remember he didn't have shit on offense.

They had a good offensive line, an average rushing attack. Vance Johnson and Mark Jackson, and Clarence Kay were not at all bad targets in the passing game.

The Broncs had a very good QB, a good to great defense, and were pretty much average on the rest of the field in that era. In the AFC west at the time, it was usually enough to win 11-12 games and get into the playoffs. If Earnest Byner doesn't fumble on the goal line, and then they got the 8-7 SD Chargers in the 87 AFC championship tilt, there's 2 less SB's they even get to, let alone get demolished in.

[southernplayer99]

My list:
1) Joe Montana
(lots of space here)
2) Johnny U
3) Peyton Manning
4) Dan Marino
5) Brett Favre
6) Tom Brady
Honorable mention: Bob Griese, John Elway, Terry Bradshaw, Joe Namath, Bart Starr, Roger Staubach, Fran Tarkenton, Otto Graham, Steve Young