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Old 01-28-2010, 06:50 PM   #21
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To a certain extent I would agree.

Reed was more of a gamechanger in that most of his skillset is coverage. He was more of a product of changes in the game that started with moving a vet CB (such as Rod Woodson or Tory Vincent) over to FS most guys that played that spot were in the box safeties.

I don't see Dawkins or Polamalu changing the game much outside of having more coverage ability than someone like Darren Woodson or Steve Atwater did.
Lewis plays the middle, LT was on the outside. I don't think the impact they can have on any given game is comparable, in all honesty.
Here's a crazy question; Would LT have been so innovative if he were a MLB?
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Old 01-28-2010, 06:58 PM   #22
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Here's a crazy question; Would LT have been so innovative if he were a MLB?
No.
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Old 01-28-2010, 06:58 PM   #23
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Here's a crazy question; Would LT have been so innovative if he were a MLB?
No, but then, he never would have been an MLBer. He was built and suited to play OLB. He did one thing (rush the passer) and did it better than any LBer before him had ever done.
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Old 01-28-2010, 07:07 PM   #24
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No, but then, he never would have been an MLBer. He was built and suited to play OLB. He did one thing (rush the passer) and did it better than any LBer before him had ever done.
No.
Point taken. But with that being said, here's another question; would Ray have been more innovative had he been an OLB?
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Old 01-28-2010, 07:11 PM   #25
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Point taken. But with that being said, here's another question; would Ray have been more innovative had he been an OLB?
No.
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Old 01-28-2010, 07:12 PM   #26
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No.
How?
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Old 01-28-2010, 07:17 PM   #27
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How?
Ray's a run stopper and pass defender. He's a read and react guy. He moves to where the ball is. He makes open field tackles in one on one situations where others might not. I don't think Lewis has that upfield burst like LT had. You'd be wasting Lewis' skill set if you were using him strictly as a pass rusher.
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Old 01-28-2010, 07:19 PM   #28
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Scott Studwell was better then both of them
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Old 01-28-2010, 07:20 PM   #29
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Scott Studwell was better then both of them
Step 1: Take the needle out of your arm.
Step 2: Check yourself into rehab.

... saying anyone is better than LT. you MUST be on crack.
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Old 01-28-2010, 07:29 PM   #30
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Ray's a run stopper and pass defender. He's a read and react guy. He moves to where the ball is. He makes open field tackles in one on one situations where others might not. I don't think Lewis has that upfield burst like LT had. You'd be wasting Lewis' skill set if you were using him strictly as a pass rusher.
I was going to put see Seau, Junior but this is better.
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Old 01-28-2010, 07:31 PM   #31
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I'm not going to read through all of this.

Lewis was a MLB. He was often a product of two DTs in front of him taking up space.

He was a playmaker, but not innovative.

LT definitely was innovative, and so was Reggie White, on a slightly lesser scale.

You always had to find those guys, as they moved around quite a bit.
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Old 01-28-2010, 07:31 PM   #32
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Step 1: Take the needle out of your arm.
Step 2: Check yourself into rehab.

... saying anyone is better than LT. you MUST be on crack.
i was only kidding.

Studwell was a fine LB, but not an all time great.
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Old 01-28-2010, 07:33 PM   #33
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Also, if you want to go the route of who on defense changed the game, I don't think anyone tops LT, but you have to mention Deion Sanders.
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Old 01-28-2010, 07:34 PM   #34
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Also, if you want to go the route of who on defense changed the game, I don't think anyone tops LT, but you have to mention Deion Sanders.
Deion was so good at covering that it didn't matter that he couldn't tackle for shit. Teams didn't even bother throwing in his direction.
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Old 01-28-2010, 07:36 PM   #35
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Deion was so good at covering that it didn't matter that he couldn't tackle for shit. Teams didn't even bother throwing in his direction.
Exactly, there have been some great CBs since Deion, but noone that teams completely ignored. He was so good with his makeup speed, and coverage skills, that he essentially eliminated 1/3-1/2 the field.
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Old 01-28-2010, 07:37 PM   #36
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Step 1: Take the needle out of your arm.
Step 2: Check yourself into rehab.

... saying anyone is better than LT. you MUST be on crack.
Lawrence Taylor: Which brings me to my second point, kids. Don't do crack.
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Old 01-28-2010, 07:57 PM   #37
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Step 1: Take the needle out of your arm.
Step 2: Check yourself into rehab.

... saying anyone is better than LT. you MUST be on crack.
Lawrence Taylor: Which brings me to my second point, kids. Don't do crack.
LMBO
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Old 01-28-2010, 08:03 PM   #38
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Larry Wilson invented the safety blitz. So he may have had more than 20 sacks but they didn't keep track.
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Old 01-28-2010, 08:09 PM   #39
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I'm not going to read through all of this.

Lewis was a MLB. He was often a product of two DTs in front of him taking up space.

He was a playmaker, but not innovative.

LT definitely was innovative, and so was Reggie White, on a slightly lesser scale.

You always had to find those guys, as they moved around quite a bit.
You beat me to it. LT was sometimes difficult to find and could cause havoc from anywhere on the field. And when the Giants had you in passing mode the game was over. LT changed the game.

Reggie was the first DE to line up at any position. I remember one time him lining up behind Jerome Brown and tackling the QB before he could hand the ball off.
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Old 01-28-2010, 08:14 PM   #40
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Lawrence Taylor: Which brings me to my second point, kids. Don't do crack.
I found that line to be pretty ironic and I'm kind of surprised he even went along with it.
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