[Indidockobeni]

No, that is also reality.

Which is fine and good, until reality changes. The reality is that nine teams valued other players more than Crabtree. Where the other 23 teams valued Crabtree isn't part of the equation.

[Lidawka]

Which is fine and good, until reality changes. The reality is that nine teams valued other players more than Crabtree. Where the other 23 teams valued Crabtree isn't part of the equation.

Sure it is (well one of those 23 teams.) How much the 49ers value him is certainly part of the equation. And there is no doubt that they value him more than Darius Heyward-Bey.

[chuecaloversvv]

Here's a novel idea. Instead of bitching about how much more money you should make because you think you are better than someone who was drafted before you, just sign the contract and play. Crabtree will be making more than 90% of the population will in their whole life, and also more than most of the established players at his position, by just signing on the dotted line. And what does he have to do to make all of this money? Play a game that he likes to play. Wah-friggin-wah, cry me a river. Sign the contract and play instead of looking like a tool.

[Jifyicyfuhpop]

Sure it is (well one of those 23 teams.) How much the 49ers value him is certainly part of the equation. And there is no doubt that they value him more than Darius Heyward-Bey.

And you know this how? Did you look up Gresh and find out he works for the 9er's now?

[immelawealecy]

Crabtree will be making more than 90% of the population will in their whole life,

that's a bit light

[Trebbinsa]

And you know this how? Did you look up Gresh and find out he works for the 9er's now?

Don't be ridiculous.

[toopyimport]

We won't really know who's the best until they play in the NFL, right now both perceptions are just perceptions.

[DrKirkNoliss]

Sure it is (well one of those 23 teams.) How much the 49ers value him is certainly part of the equation. And there is no doubt that they value him more than Darius Heyward-Bey.

Do they? Your argument has one huge gaping hole. Heyward-Bey was off the board before the 49ers could pick. Without San Fran actually coming out and saying they valued one player higher than the other, we don't know who was valued higher. Had both been on the board when San Fran picked, who really would have been picked? Popular perception of the talent each player possesses made it almost a no-brainer, but perception and will is different than reality.

A first round player gets paid according to where they were picked. If they were picked later they get less. It's not a huge graduation from those picked a few spots higher or lower, but different none-the-less.

Crabtree needs to get his head out of his ass, quit taking the shit his people are feeding him as gospel, and get to camp to prove he's the next Jerry Rice or Randy Moss. Then he can get paid more later.

If I were Goodell, I'd be telling Crabtree to hit the road if he's gonna act like a whiney little bitch. I personally don't agree that a player should be able to re-enter the draft if he doesn't like where he was picked the year before.

On the other hand, it might seem San Fran is perhaps being a bit cheap and needs to cough up a little more dough.

If the two parties can't come together to reach an agreement, it would seem San Fran is essentially screwed out of its first round pick. Is there any compensation for this? I'm guessing not, which doesn't necessarily seem fair when the team really did nothing wrong.

[rushiddink]

There is no system. That's how negotiations usually work. It doesn't mean that's how they always have to work.

usually? 99% of the time is more than "the usual". why would anyone be in favor of fucking up the system?

[c2siOlIk]

I'm laying blame on the agent. He most likely promised Crabby something like top 5 money, and when he slipped had to compensate for that.

[Spalax]

Fucking spoiled athletes wanting the moon and more. Screw 'em all!

There's children in Africa looking for their next meal.

[TaxSheemaSter]

Sure it is (well one of those 23 teams.) How much the 49ers value him is certainly part of the equation. And there is no doubt that they value him more than Darius Heyward-Bey.

Whether the Niners value Crabtree more than Heyward-Bey is irrelevant. Teams draft guys they value more than someone else drafted before them all the time. The value of a player's contract is determined by his position selected, not by his perceived ranking by the mediots.

Crabtree MIGHT have a gripe if the Niners swapped picks with Oakland to allow the Raiders to take Heyward-Bey. Whether or not the Niners would've drafted Crabtree before Heyward-Bey doesn't matter, because that's not what happened.

[Cd9JfGHR]

Fucking spoiled athletes wanting the moon and more. Screw 'em all!

There's children in Africa looking for their next meal.

what does that have to do with price of tea in China?

[searkibia]

Here's what Crabtree ought to do to solve this:

Offer to take an incentives-based contract.

Working from the baseline of his slot, set a few incentives where if he outperforms Heyward-Bey, he gets enough salary increase (and this can be a 2 or 3 year incentive) to have an increase in his base + bonus.

And when he publicly mentions that he's put this offer out there, in effect putting his money where his mouth is, the 49ers will have little choice but to accept.

[pooncophy]

Here's what Crabtree ought to do to solve this:

Offer to take an incentives-based contract.

Working from the baseline of his slot, set a few incentives where if he outperforms Heyward-Bey, he gets enough salary increase (and this can be a 2 or 3 year incentive) to have an increase in his base + bonus.

And when he publicly mentions that he's put this offer out there, in effect putting his money where his mouth is, the 49ers will have little choice but to accept.

Would probably be a good idea but would Crabtree actually want to do that? Maybe not. But it'd put the 49ers in a tough place.

[qikolax]

Whether the Niners value Crabtree more than Heyward-Bey is irrelevant. Teams draft guys they value more than someone else drafted before them all the time. The value of a player's contract is determined by his position selected, not by his perceived ranking by the mediots.

Crabtree MIGHT have a gripe if the Niners swapped picks with Oakland to allow the Raiders to take Heyward-Bey. Whether or not the Niners would've drafted Crabtree before Heyward-Bey doesn't matter, because that's not what happened.

I don't see how much a team values a player is irrelevant to contract negotiations. That makes no sense.

[7UENf0w7]

I don't see how much a team values a player is irrelevant to contract negotiations. That makes no sense.

As we all know rookies are unproven at the pro level. Obviously. Really a rookie contract is based on where selected and how much potential the team who drafted the player feels the rookie player has. If you want to consider how much potential a team feels the player has to be like how much the value him, then yes, there is little irrelevance.

[drugimpotence]

This is one time where if Crabtree sits out because he thinks his value will increase that i hope he learns a hard and fast lesson. He's playing Russian Roulette with his future and other teams are taking notice even if he does decide to report to the Niner's training camp.

[casinobonusa]

Right, but the fact remains that two other teams passed on Crabtree's services, so he obviously isn't worth that much money.

How did this work for Brady Quinn?

Is that even a valid example?

Have any other #22 picks received deals up to $30mil in value?

[shenacatro]

And he's still sitting. The 49ers won't budge paying him above what #9 got paid and I dont blame them.


Meanwhile he wants more than DHB got paid at 7