[styhorporry]

shrug, cable companies aren't going to eat that cost to put the network on a basic tier without jacking up the prices.

I have the premium package that gets me the nfl network on dish network. If i didn't want the SPEED(nascar network?) i wouldn't have gotten it. how would i possibly cope without having 16 new hours of programming each week(out of a possible 168)?

I can't see paying for the network alone, i've seen those games. They suck. madden and summerall from 30 years in the future would do a better broadcast than the shit they throw out there to cover games.

[Centurnion]

I hear what you are saying Dirk but networks do that all the time on cable, they survive on ad revenue which we already know the NFL could do.

The problem is not can the NFL be profitable while giving the games away, the answer to that is yes.

Its a question of greed, the local free networks want to pay the NFL for the rights t broadcast and collect the ad revenue (overly simplified)

The NFL is saying fuck you, we'll sell our own product and get the the ad revenue, they way they are doing it though is going to cost the fan money.

Under the current setup, if you are say a Viking fan and in first place, Fox might carry the Bear/Packer game so you can see it for free,

NFLNWK wants you to have to pay for that fucking game since you are out of the home market(s)

The divisional shit is bothering me more than the home teams, I cant imagine anyone would let them fuck with the home fan games, people would flip out

I can see the arguments being easily made...

We are going to make sure all of your home teams games are available for free in your local market, but the other games, well there is a cost associated with broadcasting them so in order for the NFL to provide you with the games and maintain the integrity of our product we have chosen to make out of market games available at affordable costs.

Transliation= Fuck you pay us

[viagra-kaufen]

I think you are going to start seeing alot of changes as to how companies bill for certain items. People are not going to be able to afford these "luxuries" anymore and will not pay for them.

why?

is the end near?

[Rellshare]

why?

is the end near?

YES, Haven t you see the guy driving around downtown Milwaukee in the van painted with bible verses and the big ass megaphone on top...

Thats what hes been trying to tell you

THE END IS NEAR






and the NFL wants to charge you for games

[Dyerryjex]

I agree there, frankly I surprised the NBA can still hand out those 60 million dollar deals the way they do. If I go to a game or two a year now thats a lot.

Unlike football where fans are climbing out of the woodwork, you have to go looking for an NBA fan

Don't look too hard for an NBA fan -- I'm right here. I think I am one of 10 people in the US that pays for NBA League Pass.

[TaxSheemaSter]

Brayn, we're lucky. Since the Packers played in Milwaukee for a number of years and a portion of their population is currently allocated season tickets, the NFL is bound to having to consider us a home market as long as that agreement stays in place.

Madison, on the other hand, won't be so lucky.

[Suvaxal]

I like how Detroit doesn't have an NFL team...

[tussinelde]

Personally i'm going to redirect my FU to the cable companies. My carrier provides NFL network so i'm not in turmoil, but its the cable companies that are keeping NFL network off the lower tier of standard channels. And this is one of the reasons the NFL keep re-upping thier sunday ticket with direct tv instead of the cable companies(separate issue i know). This is a part of an article on espn.com:


Around the time of the 2004 Sunday Ticket renewal, the NFL Network had just gone on the air, and its finances came into play. The NFL wants to charge $7 to $9 per household per year for the NFL Network on basic, a fee the carriers strongly resist. This price would make the NFL Network, a seasonal product for a specialized audience, one of the most expensive items in the national cable universe. ESPN, which is to cable what cheeseburgers are to McDonald's, charges $30 to $35 per year for multiple channels with very broad appeal. CNN charges about $5 a year to the cable carriers, NBA TV about $4, and most cable channels charge far less or nothing at all. (The ones that charge nothing subsist on advertising.) Cable carriers want the NFL Network exiled to a premium sports tier so they will meet less resistance passing the price along to consumers, but that means a far smaller audience for NFLN, and hence lower ad revenues. While the money fight was going on, Comcast founded Versus, which is vaguely a competitor to ESPN, Fox College Sports and the NFL Network. Comcast features Versus on low channels. Channel 44, where I get Versus on my Comcast system, is considered highly desirable digital real estate compared with channel 180, where NFLN dwells, and channel 263, the lowest channel where Comcast airs Fox College Sports. This low-channel treatment of Versus is driving the NFL Network crazy because Versus ratings are lower than NFL Network ratings and, needless to say, not remotely in shouting distance of ESPN ratings.
So now the NFL and the cable carriers are blasting each other in public, suing each other in court (a federal judge ruled in May that Comcast is not legally required to put NFLN on basic cable) and running to Congress for special favors. Meanwhile, Sunday Ticket remains available only to the select few whose places of dwelling have an unobstructed view of the southwest sky, where the DirecTV satellites hang. And, as TMQ endlessly complains, Sunday Ticket is offered on cable in Canada and Mexico, plus offered via Yahoo broadband everywhere in the world except the United States. So most American taxpayers who paid for the stadia that make NFL profits possible can't watch the games they choose -- but anyone in Canada, Mexico or Liechtenstein is free to watch any NFL game.
Sunday Ticket might come to cable in 2010, especially if local affiliates' ads can be inserted into out-of-market broadcasts, and out-of-market viewing can be folded into local affiliate ratings. Neither of those sounds like an insurmountable obstacle. So is the real strategy to combine Sunday Ticket and NFL Network into a new mega-channel? "I can assure you there are no plans to make Sunday Ticket an NFLN product," NFLN spokesman Seth Palansky told me. Well, there might not be plans …


the whole article is much longer but an interesting read.
http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/page2...erbrook/071030

I can tell you the part in bold is untrue.

The NFL took Direct TV's $4 billion and ran before the NFL Network existed.

And then asked for the same amount of money that ESPN was getting for their established station. And when cable providers decided to wait(and why not, the NFL Network doesn't even generate ratings, this far into their existence) they decided to ask for MORE money.

Where do you think the money to pay for the programming is going to come from? The consumer.

And when a channel that draws in less than 1% of the cable shares of ESPN is being paid as much money as ESPN, what do you think ESPN is going to do when they go back to the bargaining table?

Cable operators have offered 2 compromises to NFL Network:

1) Pay them the money they want, and put them in a tier so that the cost for the channel only goes to those who want the channel.

2) Lower the price to equivelant rated networks on the standard tier and be placed in that tier.

The NFL Network has not budged...but yeah, it's definately all the operators faults.

[Queuerriptota]

didn't I also see an ad during the world series for the new MLB network?? After that gets off the ground I can see the same thing happening with baseball games.
especially with markets that don't have big tv deals. And then after thier contracts are up whats to stop them from keeping playoff games for themselves and going with a major network.

MLB Network, on the other hand, already has an agreement with all the providers.

As does the 5 or 6 year old NBA TV.

[dodsCooggipsehome]

I can tell you the part in bold is untrue.

The NFL took Direct TV's $4 billion and ran before the NFL Network existed.

And then asked for the same amount of money that ESPN was getting for their established station. And when cable providers decided to wait(and why not, the NFL Network doesn't even generate ratings, this far into their existence) they decided to ask for MORE money.

Where do you think the money to pay for the programming is going to come from? The consumer.

And when a channel that draws in less than 1% of the cable shares of ESPN is being paid as much money as ESPN, what do you think ESPN is going to do when they go back to the bargaining table?

Cable operators have offered 2 compromises to NFL Network:

1) Pay them the money they want, and put them in a tier so that the cost for the channel only goes to those who want the channel.

2) Lower the price to equivelant rated networks on the standard tier and be placed in that tier.

The NFL Network has not budged...but yeah, it's definately all the operators faults.

REP Well done, man.

[loginptsa]

I can tell you the part in bold is untrue.

The NFL took Direct TV's $4 billion and ran before the NFL Network existed.

And then asked for the same amount of money that ESPN was getting for their established station. And when cable providers decided to wait(and why not, the NFL Network doesn't even generate ratings, this far into their existence) they decided to ask for MORE money.

Where do you think the money to pay for the programming is going to come from? The consumer.

And when a channel that draws in less than 1% of the cable shares of ESPN is being paid as much money as ESPN, what do you think ESPN is going to do when they go back to the bargaining table?

Cable operators have offered 2 compromises to NFL Network:

1) Pay them the money they want, and put them in a tier so that the cost for the channel only goes to those who want the channel.

2) Lower the price to equivelant rated networks on the standard tier and be placed in that tier.

The NFL Network has not budged...but yeah, it's definately all the operators faults.

Even though I am no big fan of the carriers, TWC,Comcast,ATT...

I agree with Mad, you can lay this big steaming dump squarely on the NFL's porch step

[KacypeJeope]

why?

is the end near?

For some of us, yes.