[DfrtYhyu]

All his co defendents have now agreed to a plea agreement and to testify against vick. Add that to the 3/4 witnesses they already had.

Vick may have no choice but to plead guilty at this point

[Luisabens]

All his co defendents have now agreed to a plea agreement and to testify against vick. Add that to the 3/4 witnesses they already had.

Vick may have no choice but to plead guilty at this point

I'll wait til his defense team makes a statement on their stance before I believe he'll be going to jail for a long time.

If anything, he'll end up pleading no contest and taking some sort of deal, but in the end his football career will be over and Roger Goodell will not have to do anything about it, making him look like even more of that ass he already looks like to many folks.

[AnneseeKels]

Vick is a sick fuck, but does anyone else find this a bit nuts if he never plays again, considering that a guy like Leonard Little is?

As far as I'm concerned, the NFL is a privelege and not a right.

I'd just like to see some consistency in how things are handled in the NFL front office.

Maybe with Goodell that'll happen.

Clearly Vick was in trouble before. Now he's definitely fucked one way or another.

[CGH1KZzy]

Vick is a sick fuck, but does anyone else find this a bit nuts if he never plays again, considering that a guy like Leonard Little is?

As far as I'm concerned, the NFL is a privelege and not a right.

I'd just like to see some consistency in how things are handled in the NFL front office.

Maybe with Goodell that'll happen.

Clearly Vick was in trouble before. Now he's definitely fucked one way or another.

not sure if you read the article i did on yahoo sports about the oddness that leonard little killed a women and didnt get much and vick is getting much more for dogs, i agree to some extent

i think vick is getting what he deserves, and little got off too easy

[lYVgWWcP]

not sure if you read the article i did on yahoo sports about the oddness that leonard little killed a women and didnt get much and vick is getting much more for dogs, i agree to some extent

i think vick is getting what he deserves, and little got off too easy

I agree.

I'm not really saying to lighten up on Vick, but that guys like Little still have a job as well.

[Squeernemergo]

In a way this is kinda fucked. Mike funded the ops, and it probably went like this

Vick: Hey, I'm going to get you a house and a 100k to start a pit bull breeding program, we're gonna fight them too
Guy: Alright Mike, let me know

And correct me if I'm wrong, but they haven't put Vick at the scene of electrocuting, hanging, and drowning these dogs right? So - as I see it, the three guys really responsible for the day to day operation, the ears on the ground, the guys that knew it all and did it all, are going to get away pretty scott free while mike is going to take a hard fall.

I think the guy deserves penalty, no doubt. But he sure as hell is taking the brunt of this for a lot of people and a ring of dog fights across the country. I sure as hell hope prosecutors go after EVERY dog fight conspirator with this much fever....yeah right, who am I kidding.

It's a little much IMO

[prkddfokic]

In a way this is kinda fucked. Mike funded the ops, and it probably went like this

Vick: Hey, I'm going to get you a house and a 100k to start a pit bull breeding program, we're gonna fight them too
Guy: Alright Mike, let me know

And correct me if I'm wrong, but they haven't put Vick at the scene of electrocuting, hanging, and drowning these dogs right? So - as I see it, the three guys really responsible for the day to day operation, the ears on the ground, the guys that knew it all and did it all, are going to get away pretty scott free while mike is going to take a hard fall.

I think the guy deserves penalty, no doubt. But he sure as hell is taking the brunt of this for a lot of people and a ring of dog fights across the country. I sure as hell hope prosecutors go after EVERY dog fight conspirator with this much fever....yeah right, who am I kidding.

It's a little much IMO

I absolutely agree to some extent, but think of it this way.

If its a gambling or a drug ring do they go after the guy buying the dime bags, or the one who has a shipload coming into Miami?

Vick knew about this I am sure of. He funded the entire thing. I'm sure of that too.

They are going after him b/c shutting him down makes a much bigger statement than slapping a couple random Vick friends or cousins on the wrist.

[fedelwet]

I agree.

I'm not really saying to lighten up on Vick, but that guys like Little still have a job as well.

Shit like this concerning Vick and Little shows what kind of values Americans really have.

With Little, it was probably a case of the jock figured out the bitch was just a lying slut and she deserved what she got, but to avoid making a complete mockery of the US justice system we need to give the man a little slap on the wrist and basically send him on his way.

With Vick, OMG!!!! If you hurt one hair on the back of Rin Tin Tin, Lassie, Bengie, Old Yeller, or Beethoven you got a lotta 'splainin' to do mister!!!!! That's man's best friend you know.

I don't discount the travesty of Vick's actions, but it seems we hold the life of an animal without the ability to reason higher than that of another human being. Has the prosecution and penalty of killing another human being become so common place that the consequences are not even of second thought anymore?

[JANALA]

Shit like this concerning Vick and Little shows what kind of values Americans really have.

With Little, it was probably a case of the jock figured out the bitch was just a lying slut and she deserved what she got, but to avoid making a complete mockery of the US justice system we need to give the man a little slap on the wrist and basically send him on his way.

With Vick, OMG!!!! If you hurt one hair on the back of Rin Tin Tin, Lassie, Bengie, Old Yeller, or Beethoven you got a lotta 'splainin' to do mister!!!!! That's man's best friend you know.

I don't discount the travesty of Vick's actions, but it seems we hold the life of an animal without the ability to reason higher than that of another human being. Has the prosecution and penalty of killing another human being become so common place that the consequences are not even of second thought anymore?

Yeah, I know.

I was thinking about this when the whole Benoit thing was going on.

Many people in the media were saying they could never understand how Benoit could kill his own child.

I took it as if they were saying that his wife Nancy's life wasn't as valuable.

I know that's not what they really meant, but that's how I viewed it.

In a way you're saying, maybe she deserved it, but there's no reason to kill a kid.

How about there's no reason to kill anyone?

[Cabinanteerip]

I absolutely agree to some extent, but think of it this way.

If its a gambling or a drug ring do they go after the guy buying the dime bags, or the one who has a shipload coming into Miami?

Vick knew about this I am sure of. He funded the entire thing. I'm sure of that too.

They are going after him b/c shutting him down makes a much bigger statement than slapping a couple random Vick friends or cousins on the wrist.

Cat in the hat - great post, I agree with you man.

Sportz -
I'm saying he knew about it - no way he didn't know about the dog fighting and the betting - however the "atrocities" that have people going nuts (the drowning, hanging, rape stands, etc), I'm not so sure what he really knew of - because he didn't have too.

Your point is well taken on the dime bag business, but the feds better sure as hell be working as hard to nail sports bookie's and shit. I understand Vick is the shark, and is the guy you want to get - I get that, but there are greater things going on (I'll try to keep this from being political) that our attention (as a society) can and should be devoted too.

I think this is a case of how organizations when they really want to dial in on somebody, can be ridiuclously influental.

Again, Vick is at fault and whatever comes to him he deserves, I just think this is getting ridiculous and I'd hope that every major player in teh dogfighting world has the wrath of Peta and every other organization that has come down on Vick, get down on them

[Innoloinarp]

Yeah, I know.

I was thinking about this when the whole Benoit thing was going on.

Many people in the media were saying they could never understand how Benoit could kill his own child.

I took it as if they were saying that his wife Nancy's life wasn't as valuable.

I know that's not what they really meant, but that's how I viewed it.

In a way you're saying, maybe she deserved it, but there's no reason to kill a kid.

How about there's no reason to kill anyone?

Exactly. However, without violating T.O.S. I'm not sure I could give any valid reasons as to why there is a reason to kill someone aside from self-defense.

[XIMHOTEP-X]

Cat in the hat - great post, I agree with you man.

Sportz -
I'm saying he knew about it - no way he didn't know about the dog fighting and the betting - however the "atrocities" that have people going nuts (the drowning, hanging, rape stands, etc), I'm not so sure what he really knew of - because he didn't have too.

Your point is well taken on the dime bag business, but the feds better sure as hell be working as hard to nail sports bookie's and shit. I understand Vick is the shark, and is the guy you want to get - I get that, but there are greater things going on (I'll try to keep this from being political) that our attention (as a society) can and should be devoted too.

I think this is a case of how organizations when they really want to dial in on somebody, can be ridiuclously influental.

Again, Vick is at fault and whatever comes to him he deserves, I just think this is getting ridiculous and I'd hope that every major player in teh dogfighting world has the wrath of Peta and every other organization that has come down on Vick, get down on them

I guess my problem with all these cases of everyone ratting Vick out is that they get a deal and it will seem that Vick will get shit on. To me, being the fact that he is the financier of this horrible thing (and I believe he did participate in some of the dog tortures/killings) he obviously deserves what he gets as we all seem to agree on. However, why the hell are these guys getting deals, when they are the one's who directly carried out these acts of perversion? They are the ones who did this day in and day out without Vick's direct knowledge of every detail. Putting a historical angle on this, it's like the Nuremburg Trials and if all the generals and Hitler's cabinet were getting off with a perverbial slap on the wrist so they would rat out the one's they were really after. I forget the names of the one's who were ultimately hanged instead of committing suicide. I liken it to that. These guys should also be shown very little mercy if any at all.

[Adamdjeffe]

I guess my problem with all these cases of everyone ratting Vick out is that they get a deal and it will seem that Vick will get shit on. To me, being the fact that he is the financier of this horrible thing (and I believe he did participate in some of the dog tortures/killings) he obviously deserves what he gets as we all seem to agree on. However, why the hell are these guys getting deals, when they are the one's who directly carried out these acts of perversion? They are the ones who did this day in and day out without Vick's direct knowledge of every detail. Putting a historical angle on this, it's like the Nuremburg Trials and if all the generals and Hitler's cabinet were getting off with a perverbial slap on the wrist so they would rat out the one's they were really after. I forget the names of the one's who were ultimately hanged instead of committing suicide. I liken it to that. These guys should also be shown very little mercy if any at all.

Agreed through and through - you captured what was in my head.

[CitsMoise17]

I guess my problem with all these cases of everyone ratting Vick out is that they get a deal and it will seem that Vick will get #### on. To me, being the fact that he is the financier of this horrible thing (and I believe he did participate in some of the dog tortures/killings) he obviously deserves what he gets as we all seem to agree on. However, why the hell are these guys getting deals, when they are the one's who directly carried out these acts of perversion? They are the ones who did this day in and day out without Vick's direct knowledge of every detail. Putting a historical angle on this, it's like the Nuremburg Trials and if all the generals and Hitler's cabinet were getting off with a perverbial slap on the wrist so they would rat out the one's they were really after. I forget the names of the one's who were ultimately hanged instead of committing suicide. I liken it to that. These guys should also be shown very little mercy if any at all.

These are Fed deals. Meaning, these guys still get nailed hard. just not as hard as they would've had they not turned evidence. So instead of, say 5 counts, they now each face 4 counts. Maybe save themselves 5 years.

[valentinesdayyy]

These are Fed deals. Meaning, these guys still get nailed hard. just not as hard as they would've had they not turned evidence. So instead of, say 5 counts, they now each face 4 counts. Maybe save themselves 5 years.

I know what you're saying, but to the average Joe, who doesn't necessarily know much about the whole process, it looks like these guys are getting off relatively easily just to sing a song of testimony against their friend and relative. It appears to be just an easy way out without any real repentance of sins commited so-to-speak.

[Mugflefusysef]

From what I know, Little accidentally killed a woman. Correct?

Vick knowingly funded and condoned the intentional and brutal killing of animals.

There's a big fucking difference. People aren't saying animals are more valuable than people. It's all about the way in which it is done.

[draigenia]

From what I know, Little accidentally killed a woman. Correct?

Vick knowingly funded and condoned the intentional and brutal killing of animals.

There's a big fucking difference. People aren't saying animals are more valuable than people. It's all about the way in which it is done.

If accidentally is driving wasted and killing a pedestrian...sure.

How about Ray Lewis then? Or Jamaal Lewis setting up a drug deal - while Vick is more of a name than Jamaal, it wasn't nearly this bad for him.

[FrassyLap]

From what I know, Little accidentally killed a woman. Correct?

Vick knowingly funded and condoned the intentional and brutal killing of animals.

There's a big fucking difference. People aren't saying animals are more valuable than people. It's all about the way in which it is done.

I agree with Puke here. As accidental as it seems, driving drunk and killing someone is no real accident. It's not like something malfunctioned on the guys vehicle and being sober, it caused him to go off road careening into an innocent bystander killing her. That then becomes some sort of civil case not against the driver. Anytime a person gets into a car drunk and ends up killing a person because he/she wasn't good enough to drive it's not an accident. That drunk driver had no regard for anyone's life let alone his or her's at that point. That becomes Man2 at the minimum as intention to kill was more than likely not there.

[pharmacologist30]

From what I know, Little accidentally killed a woman. Correct?

Vick knowingly funded and condoned the intentional and brutal killing of animals.

There's a big fucking difference. People aren't saying animals are more valuable than people. It's all about the way in which it is done.

First of all, getting behind the wheel while you're drunk and killling someone is no accident.

Secondly, are you suggesting if a person accidently kills a human being, but purposely kills an animal, they should suffer a worse punishment for killing the animal?

Just want to be clear, b/c that's what it sounds like you're saying.