[freediscountplanrrxip]

No. He came up as a 3rd rd pick drafted as a qb. He earned the nickname slash for his ability at wr and maybe even a few punt returns though i may be mistaken on that. He was never an RB though.

Obviously my memory is spotty. Who did Kordell replace at QB?

[WepKeyday]

I'm gonna have to say Jeter is overrated for no other reason than the fact that he is called the best shortstop in baseball. Last year, and I don't have the numbers on this, I don't think he was in the top five for batting average, fielding percentage or RBIs. The RBI part is especially bad since he has so many other talented players around him.

Actually, I do have the statistics:

Fifth in average
Fifth in RBIs
Sixth in hits
I couldn't find fielding percentage, but I couldn't see it being great because he has been knocked for his fielding his entire career.

Also, for those who point to that catch where he jumped into the stands as being great, I would have to say that it was only a routine pop fly. If he would have slid or dived when trying to make the catch, he wouldn't have had to take the extra steps into the stands. It looked like a great play, but I don't think he should have had to take those extra steps and dive into the stands.

With that said, I agree that Jeter is a good shortstop, but he is overrated because he is often called the best in the leauge when he isn't the best at anything.

[kSmica]

Aand wasn't that after ODonnell won a super bowl with....the Giants?

O Donnell never won a SB, though his steelers lost to the Boys in 95. He was never even on the NYG. He was on NYJ for a while and sucked there too.

The only 2 Qbs who won with the NYG were simms vs denver and Jeff Hostetler (who replaced an injured simms late in the '90-91 season).

[chuecaloversvvp]

He is so ridiculously overhyped by the New York and nationwide media it isn't even funny. That one play he made this year, where he went crashing into the stands... not too many other shortstops go crashing into the stands, because most of them are camped under the ball.

If Derek Jeter played in Minnesota, no one would even consider him to be one of the best shortstops in the game. But he's the captain of the Yankees, and he's been hyped into a first ballot Hall of Famer.

How the hell can you say alot of SS are camped under that ball?

[FsQGF1Mp]

And I agree on that totally...he's got a lot to grasp before he's a good "QB".

And as far as Bonds goes, we're talking in the here & now...he's slowed a lot and he hasn't impressed me with his fielding...and like I said, his HRs are so fake...he should definately have an asterisk next to his total.

And like I said, his average is inflated because all the walks he gets gives him less at-bats.

I guarantee if this guy was actually pitched to and feared less, his numbers would go down so far...again, that's not even taking into account the "juice" factor.

just in case you don't realize, walks don't inflate a hitting average. If he hits an average of 30 out of 100, then even if they pitch 1000 times that percent would still be somewhat constant , but he is on the juice, and vick is more overrated purely because of his speed. He has shown little talent in throwing the ball up to this point in his career.

[Phassetus]

huh??? you deleted something i wrote because it was a political statement? WTF? i can't even remember what I typed that might have been borderline. i'm not known for posting distasteful stuff. what did I type that warranted a deletion???

My guess is that you posted something that had to do with politics and since there is a zero-tolerance policy for that here, it got deleted.

[giturbewan]

After another. . .*ahem*. . ."breathtaking" performance today, the question needs to be asked.

Jue. People kiss his ass and he sucks balls.
Sharper. See previous.

Gary "Crybaby" Sheffpuke. The antithesis of a team-first player.

Shall I name more?

[actioliGalm]

How can you call Jeter overrated when he's been a mighty big cog in the Yankees' World Series victories?

The greatest players show up when the pressure is at its highest and the spotlight is the brightest.

Gotta disagree with you on this one. And I hate the Yankees.

He is so ridiculously overhyped by the New York and nationwide media it isn't even funny. That one play he made this year, where he went crashing into the stands... not too many other shortstops go crashing into the stands, because most of them are camped under the ball.

If Derek Jeter played in Minnesota, no one would even consider him to be one of the best shortstops in the game. But he's the captain of the Yankees, and he's been hyped into a first ballot Hall of Famer.

[babopeddy]

I'm surprised nobody has brought up Alge Crumpler for the Falcons. I mean, he is a pro bowl TE, after all.

[TepSteade]

Michael vick : the new Kordell Stewart

[Dstyeglm]

But didn't he come up with Pittsburgh as a RB?

No. He came up as a 3rd rd pick drafted as a qb. He earned the nickname slash for his ability at wr and maybe even a few punt returns though i may be mistaken on that. He was never an RB though.

[Hammaduersnes]

Kordell sucked period.

Sucky QB - Slash - Sucky RB - Slash Sucky WR

He wasnt bad at wr. i always thought he was better there than qb ..... which kinda tells you what I think of his QB skills.

[sauppyshurb]

Roy Jones and Oscar De La Hoya

roy made a career out of beating scrubs.

and the highest grossing pay per view matches were all oscar LOSSES (tyson had a claim in that highest grossing losses on ppv too). who has oscar beaten worth mentioning in a while? Vargas was the last notable one. Where is Vargas now?before that the biggest name was Camacho...as an old fart. 2 of oscars 'wins' over notables (Quarte and Whittaker) were extremely suspect at best. he REALLY lost both of those fights. as a matter of fact, stevie wonder could see that he REALLY lost that fight before his loss to Hopkins. What was that guys name? that's the point exactly


**Edited--political statement deleted by Treypops**

[zilsolley3]

And I agree on that totally...he's got a lot to grasp before he's a good "QB".

And as far as Bonds goes, we're talking in the here & now...he's slowed a lot and he hasn't impressed me with his fielding...and like I said, his HRs are so fake...he should definately have an asterisk next to his total.

And like I said, his average is inflated because all the walks he gets gives him less at-bats.

I guarantee if this guy was actually pitched to and feared less, his numbers would go down so far...again, that's not even taking into account the "juice" factor.

I agree with you jayglo that if people werent so fricking afraid of him that he would bat a little over .300 and have an OBP of maybe a little over .400. Since they are so intimidated by him they tend to give him meat when they actually decide to pitch to him.

[OWV9LSxH]

I'm not discounting the Falcons D at all, they have been a huge reason for the Falcons turn around this year. Rod Coleman was the best player acquisition this past off-season (and yes I'm including TO in that).

Now let's look at what Michael Vick is facing here.
- He's learning a new offensive system

- He's the team's leading rusher, which is just as much a reflection of his skills as it is of Dunn and Duckett's lack of skills

- His wide receivers are: Peerless Price, Dez White, Brian Finneran, and Michael Jenkins

- His offensive line consists of: Kevin Shaffer, Roberto Garza, Todd McClure, Kynan Forney, and Todd Weiner. Yet people want him to be a pocket passer. What pocket? These guys couldn't block me, let alone NFL defensive linemen.

The only QB in the NFL that has a worse supporting cast is A.J. Feeley. Even the 49ers have better offensive personnel than the Falcons.

I don't know how many Falcons games you've seen this year, but I've seen all of them. Vick has the worst offensive line in football hands down. He's running for his life almost every play. I would be shocked if less than three O-line starters are replaced this off-season. The opposing defenses know his WRs aren't going to be able to beat one-on-one coverage, so the safeties are able to crowd the box and spy Vick. The only weapon Vick has is Crumpler, and while a very good weapon, one TE isn't enough to support an offense.

Is Vick Manning or Marino when it comes to throwing the ball? Obviously not, and he probably never will be. But even though he's not a great passer he's still a good QB. He does what it takes to win, and he's a leader. His teammates (both offensive and defensive) believe they have a chance to win every game if Vick is playing. This was clearly evident in the change in the Falcons when Vick came back at the end of last season. If you give this guy an NFL caliber supporting cast (especially O-line) he'll bring a Super Bowl trophy to Atlanta.

[Lorionasodi]

The last time I check hitting over 700 homeruns is a pretty hard thing to do. So, even if he did do roids' he still had to swing the bat. If they want to take his record away then lets take Ruth and Aaron because they played in a era where the ballparks were smaller, and then take away McGuires because he was a user of roids'. The most overrated player in sports is Tom Brady. He would not have any super bowl wins with out a kicker and defense. Any Qb could win a super bowl with that style of offense and that defense that they had when they won both super bowls.

Brady still needed to execute to win the games. He made the plays when they counted. Thats not overrated; thats clutch. And P.S. Im a phins fan so if you think I have any love for the pats think again.

[Amirmsheesk]

Obviously my memory is spotty. Who did Kordell replace at QB?

It's cool... Neil O Donnell is the guy he replaced.

[yarita]

vince "vinsanity" carter

he is just really athletic and has sweet dunks. his teams are always bad.

[Boripiomi]

After another. . .*ahem*. . ."breathtaking" performance today, the question needs to be asked.

[Amfdaaandhaq]

It's almost as if Vick was trying to show us how bad of a QB he is.

Against one of the NFL's worst defenses, he went a pathetic 7/21... That's a 33% completion percentage against a porous, bad defense. Oddly enough, his offense only put up 3 points today.

I've said it before and I'll say it again... He's a running back that just happens to line up under center.