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Old 09-26-2006, 09:21 PM   #41
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and the opening for last night's game was in poor taste.
are you surprised?
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Old 09-26-2006, 09:21 PM   #42
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and that money wasn't going to the poor before, what makes you believe it will now?
The rich people are cleaning the rooms, mopping the floors, and driving the taxis?
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Old 09-26-2006, 09:22 PM   #43
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are you surprised?
not at all. i found it typical actually.
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Old 09-26-2006, 09:23 PM   #44
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The rich people are cleaning the rooms, mopping the floors, and driving the taxis?
those jobs will certainly provide the means to overcome losing everything you had.
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Old 09-26-2006, 09:23 PM   #45
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as for the tourist stuff needing to be open to help the rest of the displaced new orleans residents get back on their feet, working again, back in their homes, etc, that's a load of bull. that money generated from tourism didn't trickle down to those people before katrina why would it now? good to see that all those casinos and tourist attractions are getting federal money. and because poor people don't own homes and instead rent, they get nothing.
The 182 million spent on the superdome, to my knowledge, is not the only money that's been spent in New Orleans.

As for the displaced people, there's nothing down there to come back to right now. The hotel industry is slow, restaurants, tourist trap shops.

I don't think the rich people were the ones changing sheets and replacing the little soaps in the hotels.

Poverty is a problem. It shouldn't be fixed (or tried to be fixed) in lieu of fixing infrastructure, IMO.

If not fix the Superdome, what would you have done with the money? Not generic answers like "build homes" or "give it to people displaced"...what exactly should've been done?

I'm not averse to thinking there might have been a better way to spend it, but to treat reopening the Superdome as an act of evil is a little farfetched, IMO.
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Old 09-26-2006, 09:25 PM   #46
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What does tourism doing for a majority of the people there? I don't know. What is it not doing for a majority of the people there right now? A lot of the people affected by the flooding in the 9th ward and whereever you want to talk about are in Houston, Atlanta, and God knows where else in the country. How will they be affected by anything that is going on in NOLA right now, forget about football.


I didn't do a head count while watching the game, but I'm pretty sure I saw a lot of black people there. A lot of white people, too. But let's not focus on race. Let's focus on New Orleans. The city. What's going to help the city get by? Sink 182 million into houses and cleanup. Hey, I'm all for that. But who is going to live in those houses? What are they going to do for a living? What's going to keep them in NOLA? What did they say last night, just for 1 game, they estimated $12 million dollars pouring into the city. Since I've lived in Louisiana (4 years), I've been to 3 conferences in New Orleans that generated between 500 and 1000 people staying in hotels, eating at restaurants, buying souvenirs, etc for a week. What's going to draw conferences to New Orleans when there's no tourism?


You can't have a city without people, but you won't get people without a city.
Do I have all the answers about how to bring the city back? no
Do I have any? No

But these tax dollars, this tourism did nothing for the city before. How can you have that much tourism and yet have the poorest city in the U.S.?

And these little jobs that you guys talk about? They pay minimum wage. Hince why they can't afford to feed families.


Like you said the people really affected by this storm are no where near there anymore and probably won't ever be able to make it back. You hear all the time that the mayor is trying to make it a rich town with high rise condos. Thats what gets to me. America is trying to shape and mold it into the city they want it to be. Instead of the city it used to be.
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Old 09-26-2006, 09:26 PM   #47
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and that money wasn't going to the poor before, what makes you believe it will now?
The poor people were not the only ones affected
Poor people are not the only ones that live in New Orleans
Who works at the hotels, in the restaurants, in the casinos, and in the tourist trap shops? The Rockefellers?
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Old 09-26-2006, 09:27 PM   #48
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those jobs will certainly provide the means to overcome losing everything you had.
A journey of a thousand miles begins with a single step.



It's not a genie in a bottle. It's called 'work' for a reason.
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Old 09-26-2006, 09:28 PM   #49
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The 182 million spent on the superdome, to my knowledge, is not the only money that's been spent in New Orleans.

As for the displaced people, there's nothing down there to come back to right now. The hotel industry is slow, restaurants, tourist trap shops.

I don't think the rich people were the ones changing sheets and replacing the little soaps in the hotels.

Poverty is a problem. It shouldn't be fixed (or tried to be fixed) in lieu of fixing infrastructure, IMO.

If not fix the Superdome, what would you have done with the money? Not generic answers like "build homes" or "give it to people displaced"...what exactly should've been done?

I'm not averse to thinking there might have been a better way to spend it, but to treat reopening the Superdome as an act of evil is a little farfetched, IMO.
build adequate levees.
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Old 09-26-2006, 09:28 PM   #50
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those jobs will certainly provide the means to overcome losing everything you had.
If they're poor, then did they really lose much. If people are still living there, they still have a house. If they've been displaced, they have a house somewhere else. And maybe a life somewhere else, too.

I'm not trying to paint this as the best thing that could've happened...but it's what has happened. Gotta start somewhere.
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Old 09-26-2006, 09:28 PM   #51
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Do I have all the answers about how to bring the city back? no
Do I have any? No

But these tax dollars, this tourism did nothing for the city before. How can you have that much tourism and yet have the poorest city in the U.S.?


Like you said the people really affected by this storm are no where near there anymore and probably won't ever be able to make it back. You hear all the time that the mayor is trying to make it a rich town with high rise condos. Thats what gets to me. America is trying to shape and mold it into the city they want it to be. Instead of the city it used to be.
Didn't the 'city it used to be' get dunked under 12 feet of water?
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Old 09-26-2006, 09:29 PM   #52
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Didn't the 'city it used to be' get dunked under 12 feet of water?
So you agree rather then trying to bring back the people that have lived their for generations you should build high rise condos? Thats seriously what they are doing down there. Mayor Nagan even got accused of trying to make it a 'white city'. Bringing in the rich and leaving out the poor.
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Old 09-26-2006, 09:29 PM   #53
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Do I have all the answers about how to bring the city back? no
Do I have any? No

But these tax dollars, this tourism did nothing for the city before. How can you have that much tourism and yet have the poorest city in the U.S.?

And these little jobs that you guys talk about? They pay minimum wage. Hince why they can't afford to feed families.


Like you said the people really affected by this storm are no where near there anymore and probably won't ever be able to make it back. You hear all the time that the mayor is trying to make it a rich town with high rise condos. Thats what gets to me. America is trying to shape and mold it into the city they want it to be. Instead of the city it used to be.
Louisiana is known for corruption in government. That's how.
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Old 09-26-2006, 09:30 PM   #54
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Do I have all the answers about how to bring the city back? no
Do I have any? No

But these tax dollars, this tourism did nothing for the city before. How can you have that much tourism and yet have the poorest city in the U.S.?

And these little jobs that you guys talk about? They pay minimum wage. Hince why they can't afford to feed families.



Like you said the people really affected by this storm are no where near there anymore and probably won't ever be able to make it back. You hear all the time that the mayor is trying to make it a rich town with high rise condos. Thats what gets to me. America is trying to shape and mold it into the city they want it to be. Instead of the city it used to be.
I've never worked a job down there, so I don't know how much they pay.
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Old 09-26-2006, 09:30 PM   #55
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If they're poor, then did they really lose much. If people are still living there, they still have a house. If they've been displaced, they have a house somewhere else. And maybe a life somewhere else, too.

I'm not trying to paint this as the best thing that could've happened...but it's what has happened. Gotta start somewhere.
to them, i'd be willing to bet it was a lot.
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Old 09-26-2006, 09:30 PM   #56
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Didn't the 'city it used to be' get dunked under 12 feet of water?
closer to 20 in some areas.
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Old 09-26-2006, 09:31 PM   #57
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build adequate levees.
You can replace the entire levee system with $182 million?


And, the breached areas have been replaced already. And they still had $182 mil for the dome.
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Old 09-26-2006, 09:32 PM   #58
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build adequate levees.
But the superdome can withstand cat 5 hurriances now! Woohoo


Seriously though. I agree they should do that but reopening the superdome is something that should of been done and i'm glad they did. My problem lies in the fact that they make a whole huge event out of it so me and you and everyone else that didn't get a drop of rain can now feel good about ourselves and sleep at night.
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Old 09-26-2006, 09:32 PM   #59
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So you agree rather then trying to bring back the people that have lived their for generations you should build high rise condos? Thats seriously what they are doing down there. Mayor Nagan even got accused of trying to make it a 'white city'. Bringing in the rich and leaving out the poor.
Wow, that's news to me. Last I heard, he was calling for it to be a "chocolate city" again.

A black mayor beating hell to bring in whitey? Again, news to me.
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Old 09-26-2006, 09:33 PM   #60
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to them, i'd be willing to bet it was a lot.
Possibly.

If you're talking about objects with sentimental value, the poor aren't the only ones affected by sentiment.
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