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**sterofthemasteool** · 09-21-2006, 04:24 PM

The poll question is which 0-2 team is the most surprising, but I'm going to take the subject a bit further.

Current 0-2 teams:

Oakland (no real surprise)
Kansas City (Pretty surprising, but not with Green getting hurt and LJ being so grossly overrated in the preseason)
Tennessee (Vince Young can surely get better than a 1.9 rating)
Houston (Nice job on that 1st round pick)
Cleveland (I definitely thought they'd have more success)
Miami (That run defense needs a serious overhaul)
Carolina (Losing Smith just demoralized that offense)
Tampa Bay (When you are not a threat on the ground, your passing game just can't be successful.)
Detroit (Same ol crap, different year)
Green Bay (No surprise here. Shoulda went out when you had the chance, Brett)
Washington (The perennial pre-season favorites just don't have it on offense)

0-2 teams' week 3 matchups:

Washington at Houston (One of these teams will come out 0-3, and to be honest, I am at a loss when trying to predict who it will be)

Green Bay at Detroit (See above. On paper, I think Detroit is better, and I honestly don't see Brett and Co having any better luck than Seattle against Detroits defense)

Tennessee at Miami (I don't have much doubt that at the end of this one, we'll see Vince Young crowned the starter, and Tennessee 0-3)

Carolina at Tampa Bay (Carolina should win this one. But they should have beat Minnesota, too)

Baltimore at Cleveland (I don't see the Browns standing much of a chance here, but there IS room for an upset)

Kansas City and Oakland have BYE weeks this week.

So, in the end, there will be at least 4 teams at 0-3 going in to week 4, possibly 5 teams. For me, this is how I see it shaking down:

Cleveland - Baltimore will focus on Droughns and force Frye to beat them in the air. He won't be able to, and Cleveland will find themselves yet again searching for answers
Carolina - They will find a way to win this game, but will it matter in terms of them being in contention in December? I don't think so.
Tennessee - Happy trails, Kerry Collins. To the bench you will go.
Green Bay - Despite my above comments, I do think Green Bay will win this one, but only if Ahman Green can be effective both rushing and receiving.
Houston - Even though they're 0-2, they have managed to score 34 points against two quality football teams. I think they pull this one out at home.

0-3 teams after Sunday:

Washington
Tennessee
Detroit
Cleveland
Tampa Bay

Just my take.

**Vomephems** · 09-21-2006, 04:34 PM

And, for what it's worth, New Orleans is definitely my most surprising 2-0 team.

**KitRittyTug** · 09-21-2006, 04:36 PM

I went with Miami, I thought they were going to be good this year. All they have done is dissapointed. Carolina was a choice but without Smith they aren't that good, look at last years NFC Championship game. Seattle shut him down and Carolina could do very little.

**Mboxmaja** · 09-21-2006, 04:39 PM

Easily Carolina.

ditto

**chujwduperjadzi** · 09-21-2006, 04:39 PM

I went with Miami, I thought they were going to be good this year. All they have done is dissapointed. Carolina was a choice but without Smith they aren't that good, look at last years NFC Championship game. Seattle shut him down and Carolina could do very little.

Basically my exact logic. I considered Carolina, but like you said, they've NEVER been good without Smith, so it's no surprise that they're 0-2 without him.

Foster has been quite the disappointment too. 2.9 yards per carry is terrible.

**VladFal** · 09-21-2006, 04:39 PM

Easily Carolina.

**AnriXuinriZ** · 09-21-2006, 04:42 PM

ditto

Why?

Isn't and hasn't it been painfully obvious that without Smith, that entire offense crumbles? Delhomme isn't shit without Smith, and without the passing threat, Foster isn't good enough to make plays happen on his own.

When a one-dimensional offense loses their only dimension, it's no surprise when they lose.

**Breevereurl** · 09-21-2006, 04:44 PM

Why?

Isn't and hasn't it been painfully obvious that without Smith, that entire offense crumbles? Delhomme isn't shit without Smith, and without the passing threat, Foster isn't good enough to make plays happen on his own.

When a one-dimensional offense loses their only dimension, it's no surprise when they lose.

Haven't look that deep into the details.....just all the preseason hype and what they left on the table last year.

**Lyikmcmb** · 09-21-2006, 04:47 PM

Haven't look that deep into the details.....just all the preseason hype and what they left on the table last year.

Well you could make that same argument for the Redskins, too.

**gogFloark** · 09-21-2006, 04:48 PM

better yet, who's the most disappointing 2-0 team?

**freflellalafe** · 09-21-2006, 04:50 PM

better yet, who's the most disappointing 2-0 team?

Seattle, easily.

**ElcinBoris** · 09-21-2006, 04:50 PM

better yet, who's the most disappointing 2-0 team?

Saints.......or should I say most unexpected?

**Viyzarei** · 09-21-2006, 04:52 PM

Well you could make that same argument for the Redskins, too.

Certainly.......Danny always does a great propaganda job.

**LxtdK9i4** · 09-21-2006, 04:53 PM

Saints.......or should I say most unexpected?

Initially I agreed. Then I thought deeper. Drew Brees. Reggie Bush. Duece McAllister. Beating Green Bay and Cleveland.

No longer surprising.

**bWxNFI3c** · 09-21-2006, 04:53 PM

Saints.......or should I say most unexpected?

I think a 2-0 Saints team is anything but disappointing.

The Seahawks were my call, too.

**ibupronec** · 09-21-2006, 04:54 PM

Initially I agreed. Then I thought deeper. Drew Brees. Reggie Bush. Duece McAllister. Beating Green Bay and Cleveland.

No longer surprising.

If New Orleans wants to surprise me, stop Vick and Dunn and beat the Falcons.

Then they'd be my pick for most surprising 3-0 team.

**epPtsDno** · 09-21-2006, 04:54 PM

Initially I agreed. Then I thought deeper. Drew Brees. Reggie Bush. Duece McAllister. Beating Green Bay and Cleveland.

No longer surprising.

But counter that in that it's the saints.

Same defense as last year minus Darren Howard.

And, it's the saints.

**violetgorman** · 09-21-2006, 04:55 PM

If New Orleans wants to surprise me, stop Vick and Dunn and beat the Falcons.

Then they'd be my pick for most surprising 3-0 team.

Home game wins within a division, IMO, should not be too surprising.

**Immerymopay** · 09-21-2006, 04:57 PM

Home game wins within a division, IMO, should not be too surprising.

But it's the Saints.

**TZids16I** · 09-21-2006, 04:57 PM

But counter that in that it's the saints.

Same defense as last year minus Darren Howard.

And, it's the saints.

Amazing what having Bush will do for ya. McAllister is able to be successful, and when Bush is on the field, things open up for Brees.

But yes, allowing 41 points from the Browns and Packers is cause for concern. Which is why I think the Falcons will have their way with them.

09-21-2006, 04:24 PM	#1
sterofthemasteool Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 455 Senior Member	NFL 0-2 Teams The poll question is which 0-2 team is the most surprising, but I'm going to take the subject a bit further. Current 0-2 teams: Oakland (no real surprise) Kansas City (Pretty surprising, but not with Green getting hurt and LJ being so grossly overrated in the preseason) Tennessee (Vince Young can surely get better than a 1.9 rating) Houston (Nice job on that 1st round pick) Cleveland (I definitely thought they'd have more success) Miami (That run defense needs a serious overhaul) Carolina (Losing Smith just demoralized that offense) Tampa Bay (When you are not a threat on the ground, your passing game just can't be successful.) Detroit (Same ol crap, different year) Green Bay (No surprise here. Shoulda went out when you had the chance, Brett) Washington (The perennial pre-season favorites just don't have it on offense) 0-2 teams' week 3 matchups: Washington at Houston (One of these teams will come out 0-3, and to be honest, I am at a loss when trying to predict who it will be) Green Bay at Detroit (See above. On paper, I think Detroit is better, and I honestly don't see Brett and Co having any better luck than Seattle against Detroits defense) Tennessee at Miami (I don't have much doubt that at the end of this one, we'll see Vince Young crowned the starter, and Tennessee 0-3) Carolina at Tampa Bay (Carolina should win this one. But they should have beat Minnesota, too) Baltimore at Cleveland (I don't see the Browns standing much of a chance here, but there IS room for an upset) Kansas City and Oakland have BYE weeks this week. So, in the end, there will be at least 4 teams at 0-3 going in to week 4, possibly 5 teams. For me, this is how I see it shaking down: Cleveland - Baltimore will focus on Droughns and force Frye to beat them in the air. He won't be able to, and Cleveland will find themselves yet again searching for answers Carolina - They will find a way to win this game, but will it matter in terms of them being in contention in December? I don't think so. Tennessee - Happy trails, Kerry Collins. To the bench you will go. Green Bay - Despite my above comments, I do think Green Bay will win this one, but only if Ahman Green can be effective both rushing and receiving. Houston - Even though they're 0-2, they have managed to score 34 points against two quality football teams. I think they pull this one out at home. 0-3 teams after Sunday: Washington Tennessee Detroit Cleveland Tampa Bay Just my take. Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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Vomephems Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 727 Senior Member	And, for what it's worth, New Orleans is definitely my most surprising 2-0 team. Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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KitRittyTug Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 475 Senior Member	I went with Miami, I thought they were going to be good this year. All they have done is dissapointed. Carolina was a choice but without Smith they aren't that good, look at last years NFC Championship game. Seattle shut him down and Carolina could do very little. Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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Mboxmaja Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 510 Senior Member	Easily Carolina. ditto Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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chujwduperjadzi Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 438 Senior Member	I went with Miami, I thought they were going to be good this year. All they have done is dissapointed. Carolina was a choice but without Smith they aren't that good, look at last years NFC Championship game. Seattle shut him down and Carolina could do very little. Basically my exact logic. I considered Carolina, but like you said, they've NEVER been good without Smith, so it's no surprise that they're 0-2 without him. Foster has been quite the disappointment too. 2.9 yards per carry is terrible. Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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VladFal Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 510 Senior Member	Easily Carolina. Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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AnriXuinriZ Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 434 Senior Member	ditto Why? Isn't and hasn't it been painfully obvious that without Smith, that entire offense crumbles? Delhomme isn't shit without Smith, and without the passing threat, Foster isn't good enough to make plays happen on his own. When a one-dimensional offense loses their only dimension, it's no surprise when they lose. Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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Breevereurl Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 427 Senior Member	Why? Isn't and hasn't it been painfully obvious that without Smith, that entire offense crumbles? Delhomme isn't shit without Smith, and without the passing threat, Foster isn't good enough to make plays happen on his own. When a one-dimensional offense loses their only dimension, it's no surprise when they lose. Haven't look that deep into the details.....just all the preseason hype and what they left on the table last year. Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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Lyikmcmb Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 480 Senior Member	Haven't look that deep into the details.....just all the preseason hype and what they left on the table last year. Well you could make that same argument for the Redskins, too. Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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gogFloark Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 425 Senior Member	better yet, who's the most disappointing 2-0 team? Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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freflellalafe Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 661 Senior Member	better yet, who's the most disappointing 2-0 team? Seattle, easily. Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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ElcinBoris Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 505 Senior Member	better yet, who's the most disappointing 2-0 team? Saints.......or should I say most unexpected? Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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Viyzarei Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 404 Senior Member	Well you could make that same argument for the Redskins, too. Certainly.......Danny always does a great propaganda job. Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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LxtdK9i4 Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 433 Senior Member	Saints.......or should I say most unexpected? Initially I agreed. Then I thought deeper. Drew Brees. Reggie Bush. Duece McAllister. Beating Green Bay and Cleveland. No longer surprising. Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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bWxNFI3c Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 539 Senior Member	Saints.......or should I say most unexpected? I think a 2-0 Saints team is anything but disappointing. The Seahawks were my call, too. Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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ibupronec Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 365 Senior Member	Initially I agreed. Then I thought deeper. Drew Brees. Reggie Bush. Duece McAllister. Beating Green Bay and Cleveland. No longer surprising. If New Orleans wants to surprise me, stop Vick and Dunn and beat the Falcons. Then they'd be my pick for most surprising 3-0 team. Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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epPtsDno Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 414 Senior Member	Initially I agreed. Then I thought deeper. Drew Brees. Reggie Bush. Duece McAllister. Beating Green Bay and Cleveland. No longer surprising. But counter that in that it's the saints. Same defense as last year minus Darren Howard. And, it's the saints. Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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violetgorman Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 491 Senior Member	If New Orleans wants to surprise me, stop Vick and Dunn and beat the Falcons. Then they'd be my pick for most surprising 3-0 team. Home game wins within a division, IMO, should not be too surprising. Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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Immerymopay Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 492 Senior Member	Home game wins within a division, IMO, should not be too surprising. But it's the Saints. Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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TZids16I Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 448 Senior Member	But counter that in that it's the saints. Same defense as last year minus Darren Howard. And, it's the saints. Amazing what having Bush will do for ya. McAllister is able to be successful, and when Bush is on the field, things open up for Brees. But yes, allowing 41 points from the Browns and Packers is cause for concern. Which is why I think the Falcons will have their way with them. Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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