[TorryJens]

My comments on post 18 & 19

அன்று தலை மேல் குடுமி
இன்று தலை மேல் குடி?
நம் சமூகத்தின் தலையில் இடி !!

நெஞ்சு பொறுக்குதில்லையே....

வாஸ்தவம் தான்!!!!

அன்றும் பிராமணர்கள் கூடி வாழ்ந்தது இல்லை
இன்றும் பிராமணர்கள் ஒன்றாய் சேர்வது இல்லை
யாருக்கு யாரோ போய்விட்டோம்
அடியாளம் கான்ன மறுத்து விட்டோம்

வாழ்கையின் போராட்டத்தில் மாரி விட்டோம்
மற்ற கோஷ்டிகல்லால் நசுக்க பட்டோம்
அன்று சாதித்த அறிவு சான்ற உரிமை இன்றில்லை
இன்று ஹரிஜன்னாய் மாரி கூடநியாய் போராடுவதும் இல்லை

[9mm_fan]

The write up sends out strong signals to the entire community and warns of what is in store for us if we don't wake up.Thank God as the software opens avenues of employment and the lite only are benefited.Days are not far off when our children become beggars in the days to come.
I am a retied college professor and my experience is that most of the brahmin students coming from the lower strata are not hard working and they are interested in seeing films , smoking , drinking etc.I was helping some poor Brahmin boys financially to prosecute their studies but I stopped helping them as they misused the funds for amusement purposes. To make matters worse our girls are marrying outside the community leaving us doubt whether there will be a community 0of brahmins.God alone can help us.
sundarrajan.

Sri. Sundarrajan, Greetings.

I read this part of the first sentence with interest.."...warns of what is in store for us if we don't wake up". Can you kindly elobarate what you meant by "wake up", please? I am sure you may have some action in your mind for this community to adopt. I am very interested to know, please.

Personally, I am intersted in every community. Since this is Tamil Brahmin's forum, my messages are in encouragement for Tamil Brahmin communities development. Personally I don't folow any culture. If someone calls me "cultureless brute!", I wouldn't debate on the word 'culturless', but only on the word 'brute!' ( possibly I may loose that debate too! ).

Mostly the persons from lower socio-economic background face identity problems and self-esteem problems. All the persons wish to belong to some community or some group. When the persons from lower socio-economic background gets rejected by rich and affluent persons in their own community, they are forced to find a community in some common grounds; they end up with persons with low self-esteem. One may wonder, such persons from lower socio-economic backgrounds are not ill treated by everyone; that is true, but such persons due to their low self esteem, usually find fault in simple conversations. They not only require upliftment, but also psycho education to boost up their self-esteem. Not an easy task, but can be done. But importantly, the larger community should not extend cold-shoulder treatment towards them.

Girls will go where they are pampered. To start with, girls come across about 97 NB boys to every about 3 brahmin boys. Odds are ridiculously stacked against the brahmin boys anyway. I don't know how many brahmin boys take the trouble to pamper girls ( not necessarily brahmin girls). Girls don't really care for politically correct, tradition following boys.... most of them dream of boys with animal instincts. It is up to the parents to educate boys to win girls. Girls want to be won, not to be given on a plate; at the same time they want to win their partner too... so the boys have to worth that. It is not about money).

This huge setback to the Brahmin community can be counted as a blessing in disguise. Such setbacks would seperate boys from men. Those boys will be lost on the way; those emerging men can bring a very powerful society.

Cheers!

[Raj_Copi_Jin]

Dear Sri. Naina, Greetings.

I refer to your message in post #19. There was one gentleman in this forum who actually took the initiative to screen deserving candidates. Once I had the previlege of watching his selfless efforts to identify, screen and organise help to a deserving candidate. I am confident, he will spare time from his very busy schedule to implement such an excercise, if it means helping someone in the Tamil Brahmin community ( No, unlike me, he is very much attached to the development Tamil Brahmin community in particular. That is good too; still he is helping someone based on humanity).

Cheers!

[S.T.D.]

Sri. Sundarrajan, Greetings.

I read this part of the first sentence with interest.."...warns of what is in store for us if we don't wake up". Can you kindly elobarate what you meant by "wake up", please? I am sure you may have some action in your mind for this community to adopt. I am very interested to know, please.

Personally, I am intersted in every community. Since this is Tamil Brahmin's forum, my messages are in encouragement for Tamil Brahmin communities development. Personally I don't folow any culture. If someone calls me "cultureless brute!", I wouldn't debate on the word 'culturless', but only on the word 'brute!' ( possibly I may loose that debate too! ).

Mostly the persons from lower socio-economic background face identity problems and self-esteem problems. All the persons wish to belong to some community or some group. When the persons from lower socio-economic background gets rejected by rich and affluent persons in their own community, they are forced to find a community in some common grounds; they end up with persons with low self-esteem. One may wonder, such persons from lower socio-economic backgrounds are not ill treated by everyone; that is true, but such persons due to their low self esteem, usually find fault in simple conversations. They not only require upliftment, but also psycho education to boost up their self-esteem. Not an easy task, but can be done. But importantly, the larger community should not extend cold-shoulder treatment towards them.

Girls will go where they are pampered. To start with, girls come across about 97 NB boys to every about 3 brahmin boys. Odds are ridiculously stacked against the brahmin boys anyway. I don't know how many brahmin boys take the trouble to pamper girls ( not necessarily brahmin girls). Girls don't really care for politically correct, tradition following boys.... most of them dream of boys with animal instincts. It is up to the parents to educate boys to win girls. Girls want to be won, not to be given on a plate; at the same time they want to win their partner too... so the boys have to worth that. It is not about money).

This huge setback to the Brahmin community can be counted as a blessing in disguise. Such setbacks would seperate boys from men. Those boys will be lost on the way; those emerging men can bring a very powerful society.

Cheers!

Mr. Raghy,
I am with you on this point. I too do not want to differentiate on the basis of birth based system. I would serve the human being on the need based, and depending on how deserving the candidate is.

[HedgeYourBets]

Girls don't really care for politically correct, tradition following boys.... most of them dream of boys with animal instincts. It is up to the parents to educate boys to win girls. Girls want to be won, not to be given on a plate; at the same time they want to win their partner too... so the boys have to worth that. It is not about money).

Come on Mr. Raghy.. I agree with the rest of your post, except for the animal instinct part. I think educated girls dream of sharp, good-looking educated boys. But in any case you and I are probably not subject experts regarding what girls dream of.

[doctorzlo]

Come on Mr. Raghy.. I agree with the rest of your post, except for the animal instinct part. I think educated girls dream of sharp, good-looking educated boys. But in any case you and I are probably not subject experts regarding what girls dream of.

Raghy Sir, you have been caught with your pants down !. I have to agree with biswa.

[brraverishhh]

Sri. Subbu, Greetings.

As I mentioned earlier, brahmins make less than 3% of the Hindu population. That means, 97% are non-brahmins; they are also consumers for the temples. Renovating temples will not help the brahmin community. So, I am not convinced that as a 'brahmin cause'.

Cheers!

The renovated temples in question are in rural areas, sometimes in very remote areas and the renovation is done with funds from everybody including contributions from the non-Brahmin populace of the area. The renovations of the temples offer employment to the poor gurukkals of the local areas. To that extent it is helpful to the brahmins.

[S.T.D.]

The renovated temples in question are in rural areas, sometimes in very remote areas and the renovation is done with funds from everybody including contributions from the non-Brahmin populace of the area. The renovations of the temples offer employment to the poor gurukkals of the local areas. To that extent it is helpful to the brahmins.

Sri. Subbu Sir, Greetings.

Let us analyse this.

The renovated temples could be in the rural or even ina remote area.

Firstly, the priest job may be given to a NB person; there is no guarantee for a brahmin to get that post. In my opinion, If it was done like that, there is nothing wrong with that either.

Secondly, if a poor brahmin do get that job, he is not likely become rich from that temple duties; his family is likely to stay poor. His children would be stuck in a rural or even in a remote area where they get only a limited exposure to quality education risking those children to stay in the same poverty cycle. Employment in that remote area temple may very well become a punishment for that family.

Thirdly, That poor brahmin's daughter would be interacting mostly with NB boys. May end up marrying a NB boy. Personally I don't see a problem in that, but I am sure many members in this forum wouldn't like to see that.

So, making a donation for renovation of a temple in a rural or remote area with the speculation of gaining employment for a poor brahmin doesn't look like the greatest of ideas.

On the other hand, simple minded Raghy's simple idea is to help a deserving poor brahmin boy/girl through the higher education so that he/she gets a decent paying job, starts living with self respect and get out of the poverty rut.

Cheers!

[Paul Bunyan]

Come on Mr. Raghy.. I agree with the rest of your post, except for the animal instinct part. I think educated girls dream of sharp, good-looking educated boys. But in any case you and I are probably not subject experts regarding what girls dream of.

Sri. biswa, Greetings.

I quite agree with you, I can't provide a first hand information about this. Kindly read the reply to Sri. Naina, please.

Cheers!

[9mm_fan]

Raghy Sir, you have been caught with your pants down !. I have to agree with biswa.

Dear Sri. Naina, Greetings.

I agree with Biswa too! The information provided by me is second hand. I was talking to my daughter ( free spirited 19 year old). It was her idea. Granted, she did not use the exact words ' animal instinct', but she used the word 'feral'. Then in India I was talking to few girls in Bangalore.. they want someone 'wild'. I asked them are they going to tame that boy after winning him.. everyone giggled.. just said ..'No'.

By the way, a feral person can very well be well educated, handsome, good looking....and a pure animal in selected areas.

But in general, I agree with you guys, I don't have the first hand knowledge. ( I was young once.. but that is beside the point here).

Cheers!

[brraverishhh]

Come on Mr. Raghy.. I agree with the rest of your post, except for the animal instinct part. I think educated girls dream of sharp, good-looking educated boys. But in any case you and I are probably not subject experts regarding what girls dream of.

Dear Biswa ji,

To a certain extent you are right but the animal instinct part is still alright actually.
Ok check out the animal kingdom..once animals reach a certain age they are weaned of their mother and make their own life.
Face challenges out in the wild and dont go home running back to mum for help in everything that comes their way.
Some animals learn to adapt to new environment and not demand for everything to be like before.

Animals do have a mind of their own.
That's the type of animal every girl wants..the type that can think on his own.

[Slonopotam845]

Sri. Subbu Sir, Greetings.

Let us analyse this.
…………
So, making a donation for renovation of a temple in a rural or remote area withthe speculation of gaining employment for a poor brahmin doesn't look like thegreatest of ideas.

On the other hand, simple minded Raghy's simple idea is to help a deservingpoor brahmin boy/girl through the higher education so that he/she gets a decentpaying job, starts living with self respect and get out of the poverty rut.

Cheers!

Count me in your camp. The only caveat is that we need to be extra vigilant about the boys, who somehow get into the habit of drinking. Make avoidance of alcohol a mandatory condition for continued support.

[Ifroham4]

Dear Sri. Naina, Greetings.

First of all I shouldn't criticise someone for consumption of alcohol. ( to night is my break... already decide what I am going to cook and what I am going to drink!). But you are right; it is not for students, certainly not if they can't afford it.

Last time when we went throughthis exercise, One gentleman ( a meduim scale industrialist) kindly spared a lot of his time to interview the reciepient. The money was not given to the student, but remitted directly to the college for fees and expenses. That student's progress was monitored by this gentleman through the college. even that student's mark sheet were made available to monitor progress.

That was a job very well done. If I am not wrong, our hero must be placed in employment now! That is one family branched out of poverty rut.

Cheers!

[Big A]

Dear Sri. Naina, Greetings.

First of all I shouldn't criticise someone for consumption of alcohol. ( to night is my break... already decide what I am going to cook and what I am going to drink!). But you are right; it is not for students, certainly not if they can't afford it.

Last time when we went throughthis exercise, One gentleman ( a meduim scale industrialist) kindly spared a lot of his time to interview the reciepient. The money was not given to the student, but remitted directly to the college for fees and expenses. That student's progress was monitored by this gentleman through the college. even that student's mark sheet were made available to monitor progress.

That was a job very well done. If I am not wrong, our hero must be placed in employment now! That is one family branched out of poverty rut.

Cheers!

Fantastic Raghy Sir! That's the way forward...

Charity should not be deemed free..

Also never do charity to a person at one go..It should be linked to responsibilities, commitments that have to be met..

It has to be reviewed periodically with the recipient and guardian/parent...If progress is satisfactory then the next tranche should be released..

Really appreciate the example...Let us imbibe this methodology while doing Charity

[Ifroham4]

Dear Sri. Naina, Greetings.

I agree with Biswa too! The information provided by me is second hand. I was talking to my daughter ( free spirited 19 year old). It was her idea. Granted, she did not use the exact words ' animal instinct', but she used the word 'feral'. Then in India I was talking to few girls in Bangalore.. they want someone 'wild'. I asked them are they going to tame that boy after winning him.. everyone giggled.. just said ..'No'.

By the way, a feral person can very well be well educated, handsome, good looking....and a pure animal in selected areas.

But in general, I agree with you guys, I don't have the first hand knowledge. ( I was young once.. but that is beside the point here).

Cheers!

மான் புலியை வேட்டைதான் ஆடுமிடம்........ ??!!

[S.T.D.]

மான் புலியை வேட்டைதான் ஆடுமிடம்........ ??!!

I know... pretty much that's how it is. Boys have to be smart. My nephew was there during a function where couple of beauties were hanging around with me. I wished so much for my nephew to come and talk to me while those girls were around... I would have introduced him to those girls.... that would have carried a lot of weight.. but, this boy was not aggressive.

You are right!

Cheers!

[brraverishhh]

Sri. Ganesh, and Sri. Naina, Greetings.

I refer to Sri. Ganesh post #34 and Sri. Naina post #32 -

After all this conversation, I got curious and contcted the Industrialist. Luckily that gentleman was online. He was asolutely great! He only 'Lent' that money to the brahmin boy. Our hero has completed his studies and placed in a company in Ambattur as an Engineer. Guess what?! That kid actually have returened a third of the help he received. Those returned funds awere given to one more poor boy to fund his education this year! Absolutely brilliant!

I take this instance to thank that gentleman who organised all this along with his very busy schedule. Thank you!

Cheers!

[Raj_Copi_Jin]

I regret to state that brahmins have no voice in govt. /public sector companies. They are demoralised.

[radikal]

I regret to state that brahmins have no voice in govt. /public sector companies. They are demoralised.

Shri S.Ramanathan,

Be prepared!!!!!!!!

[LottiFurmann]

Sri. Ganesh, and Sri. Naina, Greetings.

I refer to Sri. Ganesh post #34 and Sri. Naina post #32 -

After all this conversation, I got curious and contcted the Industrialist. Luckily that gentleman was online. He was asolutely great! He only 'Lent' that money to the brahmin boy. Our hero has completed his studies and placed in a company in Ambattur as an Engineer. Guess what?! That kid actually have returened a third of the help he received. Those returned funds awere given to one more poor boy to fund his education this year! Absolutely brilliant!

I take this instance to thank that gentleman who organised all this along with his very busy schedule. Thank you!

Cheers!

Mr Raghy,
That was brilliant, thanks.
Why does he not start an endowment based on his principles. It would be a great vehicle for us to participate.