[Peptobismol]

Good god. Where do you live Renukaji? Take it direct from ass's mouth.

God is the author of evil.
I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things. Isaiah 31:1-2
Shall there be evil in a city, and the LORD hath not done it? Amos 3:6
And he is proud of the evil that he creates.
Behold, I will bring evil upon the house of Jeroboam, and will cut off from Jeroboam him that pisseth against the wall. 1 Kings 14:10
Behold, this evil is of the LORD. 2 Kings 6:33
Thus saith the LORD God of Israel, Behold, I am bringing such evil upon Jerusalem and Judah, that whosoever heareth of it, both his ears shall tingle. 2 Kings 21:12
Thus saith the LORD, Behold, I will bring evil upon this place, and upon the inhabitants thereof, even all the curses that are written in the book. 2 Chronicles 34:24
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In that case, Satan is being un-necessarily being blamed. It was biblegod who was trying to pervert BG.

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Just a little puzzle for you. Who said this and where?

For I am come to set a man at variance against his father, and the daughter against her mother, and the daughter in law against her mother in law.

I stay in Malaysia. M'sian citizen.

Ok I solved your puzzle.Right click the mouse and Google search and the answer is Matthew 10:35

[Beerinkol]

Ravan is my hero. I always found him fascinating.
In fact I am looking online for Ravan Samhita written by Ravan...stil can't find it.
If anyone has the link for it let me know.

I like Ravanan too. He was straight forward. He didn't mince words. People in Srilanka under his rule were very happy and prosperous. They were having absolutely glorious times. Going by Valmiki's narrations, they were enjoying themselves. Art and music was honoured..... Must have been a very nice person too! ( don't think I would be searching for Ravana Samhita though..).

Cheers!

[Raj_Copi_Jin]

I stay in Malaysia. M'sian citizen.

Ok I solved your puzzle.Right click the mouse and Google search and the answer is Matthew 10:35

Matth was inspired by satan? Was all I said inspired by satan? NO. Biblegod it was.

Come down to real world, Renukaji. I did not enquire about your country, but about which Ivory tower you lived in.

Believe in adventists or ... I need not say.

[Lt_Apple]

Anti-Brahmanism is driving Brahmans to slyly respect Ravan once glorified by DK and its branches. I think people then were great individually but erred somewhere. Years of propaganda of the glories resulted in idolizing the persons as god or demon. Who knows from 100 years hence Gandhi, Ambedkar, Shivaji, Netaji Bose would become gods and others would become Rakshasas.

[Big A]

At least in N. India Ravana is held to be a Brahmin, but one who degraded to rakshasa karmas. On Dussehra he is worshipped, at least by Brahmins, in the morning. Check it up.

Seriously? I find it a little hard to believe since I have not met a single Brahmin who does that. Most burn Ravan's effigy on Dussehera.

I know Ravan is worshipped in Sri Lanka, but then again, there are not many Sinhala Brahmins.

[brraverishhh]

Anti-Brahmanism is driving Brahmans to slyly respect Ravan once glorified by DK and its branches. I think people then were great individually but erred somewhere. Years of propaganda of the glories resulted in idolizing the persons as god or demon. Who knows from 100 years hence Gandhi, Ambedkar, Shivaji, Netaji Bose would become gods and others would become Rakshasas.

Valmiki who composed Ramayana respected Ravana's character. In Sundara Kanda he allocated few chapters to describe the wealth and glory of Srilanka, 'pourusham' of Ravana. Valmiki also explains in detail about his court and greatnes of his subjects. Vamiki further explains how he controls his anger to stay just when Hanuman was brought to the court. In fact, Valmiki says, even Hanuman looked at Ravana with respect. In yudha Khand, more of his valor was explained. Manohar did not stage a play as Ravana as a hero for anti-brahminism purposes. Valmiki did not have have anti-brahminism intentions when he sang the glory of Ravana in so many chapters. Valmiki brought a worthy opponent to Rama through Ravana.

I know this forum will brand me any name... I have seen that quite a few times and there are members to enthusiastically like it too; but, what about Renuka? Is she anti-brahmin too? She also happens to like Ravanan!

Cheers!

[LottiFurmann]

Valmiki did not have have anti-brahminism intentions when he sang the glory of Ravana in so many chapters.

I know this forum will brand me any name... I have seen that quite a few times and there are members to enthusiastically like it too; but, what about Renuka? Is she anti-brahmin too? She also happens to like Ravanan!

Cheers!

Rama is a non-brahmin and Ravana is a Brahmin. Why is DK idolising Brahmin Ravana?

I am confused to the core!

[TorryJens]

Rama is a non-brahmin and Ravana is a Brahmin. Why is DK idolising Brahmin Ravana?

I am confused to the core!

This was exactly what I was thinking today when I was driving to work.

Especially I was thinking some people really get their facts wrong..they should be glorying Rama instead of Ravan cos Rama was NB(Lord Rama forgive me cos I know You are an Avatar and beyond Caste but this is just for discussion purposes on technical grounds..so dont mind Ok).

[radikal]

Elementary! Because rama is worshiped by brahmins (worship by others is irrelevant), ravana though a brahmin deserves support.

The prime purpose of ramavatara is to kill ravana as he was a tormentor of good souls. Rama was leading from the front, whereas ravana sent all his relations to death before facing rama.

Rama is a non-brahmin and Ravana is a Brahmin. Why is DK idolising Brahmin Ravana?

I am confused to the core!

[S.T.D.]

Valmiki who composed Ramayana respected Ravana's character. In Sundara Kanda he allocated few chapters to describe the wealth and glory of Srilanka, 'pourusham' of Ravana. Valmiki also explains in detail about his court and greatnes of his subjects. Vamiki further explains how he controls his anger to stay just when Hanuman was brought to the court. In fact, Valmiki says, even Hanuman looked at Ravana with respect. In yudha Khand, more of his valor was explained. Manohar did not stage a play as Ravana as a hero for anti-brahminism purposes. Valmiki did not have have anti-brahminism intentions when he sang the glory of Ravana in so many chapters. Valmiki brought a worthy opponent to Rama through Ravana.

I know this forum will brand me any name... I have seen that quite a few times and there are members to enthusiastically like it too; but, what about Renuka? Is she anti-brahmin too? She also happens to like Ravanan!

Cheers!

Dear Raghyji,

I remember reading some portion of Vibhishana Geeta where Lord Rama enquires from Vibhishana about a person he sees standing in the battle field.
Lord Rama was all praises for the individual in his looks,might,strength etc and Vibhishana is dumbstruck for a moment and tells Lord Rama that the person is Ravana.

I always felt a admiration for Ravan cos he was the ultimate devotee gate keeper Jaya who didn't mind taking birth as an Anti hero to reach Vaikuntha faster.

Lord Rama loved him dearly and went through hardship purely for the sake of Ravan.

I always felt that Ravan knew his fate and was waiting for the ordeal as I had written before that one stanza in the Shiva Tandava Stotram says it all ..that Ravan just can't wait to be liberated.



Kada nilampa nirjaree nikunja kotare vasan,
Vimuktha durmathee sada sirasthanjaleem vahan,
Vilola lola lochano lalama bhala lagnaka,
Shivethi manthamucharan kada sukhee bhavamyaham.

When will I be happy, living in the hollow place near the celestialriver, Ganga, carrying the folded hands on my head all the time, withmy bad thinking washed away, and uttering the mantra of Lord Shivaand devoted in the God with glorious forehead with vibrating eyes.

[TorryJens]

Elementary! Because rama is worshiped by brahmins (worship by others is irrelevant), ravana though a brahmin deserves support.

The prime purpose of ramavatara is to kill ravana as he was a tormentor of good souls. Rama was leading from the front, whereas ravana sent all his relations to death before facing rama.

Now I got it. So, DK was against what Brahmins do or follow, not against Brahmins Isn't it just defiance

[Beerinkol]

Here is an article that explains how and why RAvaNa was NOT considered as a brahmin:
Tamil-English Web magazine for Brahmins relating philosophical, social, religious, puranic and vedic issues

[Big A]

Seriously? I find it a little hard to believe since I have not met a single Brahmin who does that. Most burn Ravan's effigy on Dussehera.

I know Ravan is worshipped in Sri Lanka, but then again, there are not many Sinhala Brahmins.

Then, seriously, you do not know Brahmins in general, and nothing about NI. Not only Brahmns, but I observed Kayashtas to worshipping Ravana on morn of Dussehra.

[Beerinkol]

DK was a fool. His only agenda was to rile Brahmins. But he forgot Ravana too was a Brahmin.

[LottiFurmann]

DK is analogus to DIL hating MIL. The dil can never be right or do anything right. The dil has not only enticed her son (tamil) but also turned him against her and her culture(tamil).

Now I got it. So, DK was against what Brahmins do or follow, not against Brahmins Isn't it just defiance

[PhillipHer]

Dear Raghyji,

I remember reading some portion of Vibhishana Geeta where Lord Rama enquires from Vibhishana about a person he sees standing in the battle field.
Lord Rama was all praises for the individual in his looks,might,strength etc and Vibhishana is dumbstruck for a moment and tells Lord Rama that the person is Ravana.

I always felt a admiration for Ravan cos he was the ultimate devotee gate keeper Jaya who didn't mind taking birth as an Anti hero to reach Vaikuntha faster.

Lord Rama loved him dearly and went through hardship purely for the sake of Ravan.

I always felt that Ravan knew his fate and was waiting for the ordeal as I had written before that one stanza in the Shiva Tandava Stotram says it all ..that Ravan just can't wait to be liberated.



Kada nilampa nirjaree nikunja kotare vasan,
Vimuktha durmathee sada sirasthanjaleem vahan,
Vilola lola lochano lalama bhala lagnaka,
Shivethi manthamucharan kada sukhee bhavamyaham.

When will I be happy, living in the hollow place near the celestialriver, Ganga, carrying the folded hands on my head all the time, withmy bad thinking washed away, and uttering the mantra of Lord Shivaand devoted in the God with glorious forehead with vibrating eyes.

Sowbagyavathy Renuka, Greetings.

We think so much alike, you should have been my sister. I mean, we should have had the same mother, same gene. I just love your message. But I am not replying now. This is my drinking night; I and my son son just finished cooking. When I am sober, I will reply your message. I am going to listen to songs. But I am not posting them anymore. I shall get back later.

Cheers!

[S.T.D.]

Sowbagyavathy Renuka, Greetings.

We think so much alike, you should have been my sister. I mean, we should have had the same mother, same gene. I just love your message.
Cheers!

Ok Raghy Ji...you be Ravan and I be Surpanakha!!

[Paul Bunyan]

Seriously? I find it a little hard to believe since I have not met a single Brahmin who does that. Most burn Ravan's effigy on Dussehera.

I know Ravan is worshipped in Sri Lanka, but then again, there are not many Sinhala Brahmins.

Member Rcscwc is correct. There is a community called Shrimali brahmins who worship Ravana.

Refer to these news items:

Ravan’s statue stokes controversy in Jodhpur - Indian Express
What is Ram without Ravana? - India - DNA
In Kanpur, the demon Ravana is God - Thaindian News

[doctorzlo]

Ok Raghy Ji...you be Ravan and I be Surpanakha!!

Renuka, you be surpa-danta (from the avatar!)

[Slonopotam845]

Then, seriously, you do not know Brahmins in general, and nothing about NI. Not only Brahmns, but I observed Kayashtas to worshipping Ravana on morn of Dussehra.

So then why don't you describe the worship so that we can all be enlightened? What qualities of Ravana are praised? Does Ravana have an Ashtottara Shatanama? Do they cry that Ravana was killed? Good to educate others on this new religion.